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Champagne Coessens dupes/mistakes/confusion - 4/25/2024 1:54:29 AM

fanglangzhe

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According to the champagne house's website (linked below), they only make 1 blanc de noirs. Yet, the CT database has 5 versions. I suspect most of these are dupes/mistakes. The correct name based on CT database seems to be: Coessens Champagne Blanc de Noirs Brut Lieu-dit Largillier. But "lieu-dit" is tiny on the front label. Should it just be "Coessens Champagne Blanc de Noirs Brut" or "Coessens Champagne Blanc de Noirs Brut Largillier"? Lieu-dit = place called? Largillier is the name of the vineyard.

Also, it is unclear to me whether this is a vintage or NV champagne (CT forum members have designated it as both). On the bottle I have, it states on the back label "le Pinot Noir une seule annee 2017". Meaning Pinot Noir only from 2017.

https://www.champagne-coessens.com/en/the-wines-of-largillier
https://www.champagne-coessens.com/en/the-wines-of-largillier/blanc-de-noirs

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RE: Champagne Coessens dupes/mistakes/confusion - 4/25/2024 2:56:51 AM

Paul852

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There are quite a few grower champagnes which are from a single vintage, but this is not sufficient to make them vintage champagnes. That also requires a minimum of 36 months sur lies. I assume (or sometimes it is explicitly stated) that a shorter period is what leads to the NV categorisation.

It isn't clear to me whtether "vintage" on CT is designed to be "wines made from a single year's crop" or to be whatever the authorities deem sufficient for it to be termed "vintage" for that wine type.

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RE: Champagne Coessens dupes/mistakes/confusion - 4/25/2024 5:41:43 AM

andrew

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Fixed what I could. Unfortunately, Champagne houses (especially smaller ones) have notoriously unreliable websites for excluding releases. Since dosage determines brut/extra-brut as does the market to which the wine is heading, we can't really exclude some wines. There are plenty of cases of non-listed versions marketed specifically for different regions or simply a different label of 'extra-brut' for markets like look for this. I suspect here that all the E-B BdN are the vintage version though.

"It isn't clear to me whtether "vintage" on CT is designed to be "wines made from a single year's crop" or to be whatever the authorities deem sufficient for it to be termed "vintage" for that wine type."

It isn't clear to us either! There is no single answer that makes everyone happy.

Without re-litigating something that has been hashed out in numerous places (including a recent blow up over Ulysse Collin), this is something we just can't handle well. Technically in Champagne, those wines that aren't aged enought are NV (not MV.) But a lot of users want to catalogue by vintage which we can sometimes accommodate. (Release/disgorgement date, no.) Here, there looks to be a big confusion where the proper vintage (millisimé) versions are being confused with the single vintage, non-vintaged versions. The former are all extra-brut, so I think I can clean this up more.

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