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| Community Tasting Notes (average 85.7 pts. and median of 86 pts. in 18 notes) - hiding notes with no text | | | Tasted by soyhead on 6/24/2023: tasted blind, and showed nicely, albeit less power than either the '98 or '99. but all in all it was very pleasing and might have been the best paring with dinner. Fruit bomb era beings in '98. (590 views) | | | Tasted by Baco Noir on 1/21/2018: This has held up really well over 20 years. Had a nice smooth medium body and plenty of flavor left - dark cherry and currant. Pleasantly surprised. (3271 views) | | | Tasted by pjaines on 6/4/2012: Very average stuff. Thin fruit and dilute on the palate. Showing lots of maturity but without the stuffing to offer anything other than a simple Bordeaux. Drink now, it ain't going anywhere. (9070 views) | | | Tasted by dcwino on 4/1/2012 & rated 85 points: GJE CRD 2008 and EP 2011; 3/29/2012-4/4/2012 (Bordeaux, France): Really thin, very Burgundian without the nose. The last vintage of the previous owner. (11398 views) | | | Tasted by wineman73 on 3/6/2012 & rated 91 points: A very nice St Emillion. I was able to taste this wine with herb and pepper crusted venison loin..a very nice pairing. The bouquet was very pronounced at opening without additional time in the decanter. The bouquet consisted of leather, black cherry, rasberry, and a hint of vanilla and smoke. The color was a beautiful red garnet and looked to be silky. The look of the wine did not contrast with what was to come on the palate. The 1997 Pavie was silky smooth in the mouth encompassing a medium feel with little to no tannins. The taste provided a smorgasbord of earthy red fruits, rose, hints of pepper and very subtle spices. The aforementioned attributes were more pronounced with just 30 minutes of air! I would suspect that this wine is at peak with an additional 3 years for enjoyment. Score 91 Points. (9018 views) | | | Tasted by erichrod on 8/18/2011 & rated 91 points: Decanter 1/2 h. Wrong? Could be better or not. (9084 views) | | | Tasted by Zweder on 2/5/2010 & rated 86 points: Occasional tasting group: "Terroir or bottles with a story" (@ TBa): Elegant bouquet with red fruits and a light dose of oak. Same on the palate. Light acidity. Light bodied and almost an Italian style of wine. (7718 views) | | | Tasted by pjaines on 12/27/2009: Resolved colour. Lots of bricking. A nice nose of mature right bank - medium notes of cherries, rasberry and dark fruit. Good palate but on the way down - reasonable complexity that has a nice French twang to it - a touch of earthiness here as well. Drink now; Good: (3419 views) | | | Tasted by creixell on 8/2/2009: Head to Head: Chateau Pavie 1997 against a Chateau Paradis 1998
Pavie - light flavored, nice texture, citrus & fruity flavored (lots of berries).
Paradis - strong flavored (only in comparison to the Pavie), lots of spices (primarily nutmeg and pepper). Lack of interesting oxidation (looses a great deal of it's kind properties), becoming lactic, acidic and unflavoured.
Conclusions: Both bottles could not improve through time in a cellar. Have a slight leather taste in them. Not a very fair match for the Pavie. (3859 views) | | | Tasted by apmarques on 1/22/2009 & rated 91 points: not great vintage - even so perfect. Time to drink. I don´t think it stands 2 more years in the cellar. (3725 views) | | | Tasted by pjaines on 9/16/2008 & rated 80 points: Appearance: a bit muddy over two bottles (had two bottles in one afternoon). Nose: plummy earth. Taste: a bit watery, slightly sour on the finish. Taste is of plums and damp earth - there is some complexity here, but only slightly more than a vin de table. 2 dimensions rather than 3. No follow through - thin. Was expecting a more rounded and balanced effort. This wine must be drunk now - it has really hit the down slope. Overall not bad as a wine, but dissapointing given the estate. (3781 views) | | | Tasted by mtdv on 10/6/2007 & rated 88 points: Deep garnet in color with silky stone fruit flavor, but a bit too thin. We were expecting more of a lush round tannin. (4131 views) | | | Tasted by duchamp on 6/1/2006 & rated 91 points: Ruby red color with a nose of raspberry, plum fruit and hints of menthol, palate was slightly diluted with lots of acid backed by sour/tangy fruit, medium finish with rough tannins and the quintessential Emilion toast (4574 views) | | | Tasted by Paul D on 11/18/2005 & rated 79 points: Medium garnet core, fading to a broad pale garnet rim. Moderate intensity on the nose, vanilla oak being the dominant aroma, some underlying stewed red berry fruit, smells a bit like Rioja Reserva. On the palate this is medium bodied, with quite firm (medium +) acidity. There isn't much tannic structure here, nor is there a whole lot of fruit on the mid-palate with vanilla oak again to the fore, some stewed red berry fruit but not enough to stand up to the oak, which persists on a medium/good length finish. Overall disappointing, not enough depth and what there is over-dominated by oak. Didn't stand up well to food (grilled lamb chops) and can't see it getting any better. (4978 views) | | | Tasted by chbeaumont on 7/27/2003: Blood red, deep lacks lustre; strawberried, pastilles, blackcurrant, gentle graves like; soft savoury, attenuated, lightweight, decent luncheon claret. drink now. 13 (3973 views) | | | Tasted by JustOneMore on 5/21/2003 & rated 75 points: What a dissapointment. (3262 views) |
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The vineyard on weinlagen-infoRed Bordeaux BlendRed Bordeaux is generally made from a blend of grapes. Permitted grapes are Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc, Merlot, Petit Verdot, Malbec and rarely Carménère.Today Carménère is rarely used, with Château Clerc Milon, a fifth growth Bordeaux, being one of the few to still retain Carménère vines. As of July 2019, Bordeaux wineries authorized the use of four new red grapes to combat temperature increases in Bordeaux. These newly approved grapes are Marselan, Touriga Nacional, Castets, and Arinarnoa.
Wineries all over the world aspire to making wines in a Bordeaux style. In 1988, a group of American vintners formed The Meritage Association to identify wines made in this way. Although most Meritage wines come from California, there are members of the Meritage Association in 18 states and five other countries, including Argentina, Australia, Canada, Israel, and Mexico.France Vins de France (Office National Interprofessionnel des Vins ) | Pages Vins, Directory of French Winegrowers | French Wine (Wikipedia)
Wine Scholar Guild vintage ratings
2018 vintage: "marked by a wet spring, a superb summer and a good harvest"
2019 vintage reports
2021: "From a general standpoint, whether for white, rosé or red wines, 2021 is a year marked by quality in the Rhône Valley Vineyards. Structured, elegant, fresh and fruity will be the main keywords for this new vintage."
2022 harvest: idealwine.info | wine-searcher.comBordeaux Bordeaux Wine Guide
Vins Bordeaux (Conseil Interprofessionnel du Vin de Bordeaux)
History of Bordeaux
History of 1855 Bordeaux Classification
"2009 is all about ripeness, with wines impressively packed with ripe fruit and high alcohol levels. They are showy, in-your-face, and full of pleasure. The 2010s have the fruit and alcohol levels of the 2009s, but with a compelling freshness on the finish that balances the fruit and provides a perfect sense of structure." - Ben Nelson
"2016 is a landmark vintage in certain spots of Bordeaux and it should be remembered as one of the most inspired campaigns of the last 40-50+ years." -Jon Rimmerman
"The quality of red Bordeaux in 2016 was universally lauded – although the response to the en primeur campaign was muted. Quantity was high too, with the equivalent of 770 million bottles of wine produced. An exceptionally dry summer with cool nights eventually, thanks to mid September rain, resulted in small, thick-skinned, ripe grapes, and the wines are marked by high tannin and acidity, with superb aromatic fragrance." - Jancis Robinson
"2017 was complicated, but there are some excellent wines. Expect plenty of freshness and drinkability from wines that will offer excellent value, and others that will rival 2016 in terms of ripeness and ageability. But they are likely to be the exception not the rule, making careful selection key." - Jane Anson
"In the past, a vintage such as 2022 may have been overripe, raisined and low in acidity but 2022 had a sneaky little reservoir in its back pocket - a near perfect marriage of cool/cold/rain the previous winter and the previous vintage that literally soaked the soils (a key to why 2022 is not 2003...or 1893)." - Jon RimmermanLibournais Libournais (Conseil Interprofessionnel du Vin de Bordeaux) - Read more about St. Emilion and its wines - Read more about Pomerol and its wines
Saint Emilion Grat Classified Growth, Classified Growths, Grands Crus Classes, GCC
In 1954, while the "Graves" growths had just published their own classification, the wine syndicate of Saint-Emilion, composed by wine growers, brokers and wine traders with the approval of the INAO - Institut National des Appellations d'Origine (A.O.C), decided to work on a classification for the wines of Saint Emilion. Initially, four grades were defined. These were reduced to two - First Great Classified Growth (A and B) and Great Classified Growth - in 1984.
As of Medoc's 1855 historical grading, the Saint-Emilion Great Classified Growth classification is not only based on qualitative criteria by tasting the wines on a ten years period previous to the assessment, but also on commercial considerations such as:
- sales price levels
- national and international commercial distribution
- the estate's reputation on the market
Properties who don't manage to join the club of about sixty Classified Growths are given the denomination of Great Growth ("Grand Cru"), while the remaining wineries of the A.O.C are simply reported as "Saint-Emilion". It is to be noted that the owners must officially apply to appear in the official classification. Thus for example the famous Chateau Tertre-Roteboeuf, whose quality and reputation would easily justify to be listed among the First Great Classified Growths, does not appear here by the will of its owner, François Mitjaville.
The Saint-Emilion Great Growth classification was revised in 1969, 1985, 1996 and 2006. The only two guaranteed vintage (A.O.C) who can apply to the classification are the "Saint-Emilion Grand Cru" and "Saint-Emilion" areas.
By grading 61 properties, the 2006 revision confirmed many growths from the former classification, but also caused a number of surprises and a few inevitable disappointments. Many observers thought that the impressive progression of Perse's Chateau Pavie since 1998 would be rewarded by an upgrade into the First Great Classified Growths (A) category, but finally such was not the case.
Among the estates promoted to the First Great Classified Growths B category are Chateau Troplong-Mondot and Pavie-Macquin, whose efforts made since the Nineties fully justify their new grade. It should be noted that no First Great Classified Growth was relegated to the lower Great Classified Growth class.
Promoted growths from the status of Great Growth ("Grand Cru") to Great Classified Growth ("Grand Cru Classe") are: Chateaux Bellefont-Belcier, Destieux, Fleur Cardinale, Grand Corbin, Grand Corbin-Despagne and Monbousquet.
The demoted growths from the status of Great Classified Growth to Great Growth are: Chateaux Bellevue, Cadet Bon, Faurie de Souchard, Guadet Saint-Julien, La Tour du Pin-Figeac (Belivier), La Tour du Pin-Figeac (Moueix), Lamarzelle, Petite Faurie de Soutard, Tertre Daugay, Villemaurine and Yon-Figeac. If the recent samples of some of the above mentioned properties may justify their current downgrade, there are great chances that estates like Bellevue, Tertre Daugay or Yon-Figeac will be upgraded to their previous rankings by the next revision in 2016 as the progresses noted after 2000, but not entering in the range of vintages (1993 - 2002) appointed for the criteria of selection for the 2006 classification, are noticable.
The two following estates have completely disappeared from the Saint-Emilion Grand Cru Classification: Curé-Bon-la-Madeleine (integrated meanwhile to Chateau Canon) and La Clusière (integrated meanwhile to Chateau Pavie).
Finally, no estate considered as "garagiste" has integrated the classification. Valandraud, Mondotte, Le Dome, Bellevue-Mondotte or Magrez-Fombrauge have, for the least, the potential to be ranked as Great Classified Growths. In sight of the very fine quality reached by the above mentioned estates in recent vintages as well as all the innovative wine making methods used by the "garagistes", it remains to be seen whether the authorities will dare to cross the line in 2016..?St. Émilion Grand Cru Les Vins de St. Émilion (Syndicate Vitocole de Saint-Emilion) – Read about St. Emilion
Vins de Bordeaux:
Grape Varieties: Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc, Merlot
Soil: Sandy soils with alluvial gravel deposits
Surface Area: 4,160 ha |
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