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 Vintage2004 Label 1 of 75 
TypeRed
ProducerDomaine du Vieux Télégraphe (web)
VarietyRed Rhone Blend
Designationn/a
VineyardLa Crau
CountryFrance
RegionRhône
SubRegionSouthern Rhône
AppellationChâteauneuf-du-Pape
UPC Code(s)761503633217

Drinking Windows and Values
Drinking window: Drink between 2010 and 2023 (based on 82 user opinions)
Wine Market Journal quarterly auction price: See Vieux Telegraphe Chateauneuf du Pape (La Crau) on the Wine Market Journal.

Community Tasting History

Community Tasting Notes (average 91.5 pts. and median of 92 pts. in 239 notes) - hiding notes with no text

 Tasted by Imagnu on 5/14/2015 & rated 92 points: Complex truffle and raspberry nose. Tannins still firm, but very approachable. Delicious ripe fruit. Developing well an hour after opening. Lovely wine. (661 views)
 Tasted by swade on 5/13/2015 & rated 90 points: Some tawny, orange shadings at the rim. A blast of garrigue comes out with the cork. Age-smoothed entry. The offers notes of garrigue, black cherry and kirsch. There is some heat on the finish and a wall of tannins. 89-90 (828 views)
 Tasted by dbkitc on 5/11/2015 & rated 91 points: Starts out a bit sketchy and disjointed. Different story after 60 minutes of air. Not a great VT, but a fun, garrigue filled wine (true to vintage) that is rustic and enjoyable. Should drink well for many years to come. (91) (771 views)
 Tasted by randyjc on 4/6/2015 & rated 92 points: It was a pleasure to drink an earlier-vintage Vieux - more understated and friendly than, for example, 07, 09 or 10. Very black purple with a hint of alcohol on the nose but mostly earth, lilac and ripe black plum. In the mouth there is a bit of spice cake and a long melange of black fruit flavors, ending with a bit of sweet tannin and pepper. Long finish that gently tapers away. All in balance and pleasing. This was in the magnum format so perhaps a bit behind 750 evolution - my impression was that visiting this in ten years would be fine and probably a fair bit better than today. And today was pretty darn good. (1542 views)
 Tasted by redknife on 2/6/2015 & rated 89 points: took to brasserie central
unfortunately did not decant; wine was closed but had potential (1902 views)
 Tasted by henrygjeffreys on 1/10/2015: dark purple core - looks very young
very fresh floral nose
tannin, structure and refreshment - this is more like it!
some length, restrained
Very young, lots of fruit and ripe tannin. This has a long life ahead of it but already gorgeous (2098 views)
 Tasted by hadlieh2 on 12/21/2014 & rated 92 points: had with crown rack of lamb and was so good it didn't last to the end of the meal. no residual alcohol. (1993 views)
 Tasted by PhilJ on 11/22/2014 & rated 92 points: Excellent bottle of CdP. Bursting with rich fruit and spices. (2407 views)
 Tasted by Grinner on 11/2/2014 & rated 93 points: 18th Annual Lyon 10 Year Retrospective (Lyon Down Inn): Just a notch deeper than the '04 Charvin before it. Spice and pepper notes made it stand out. Some blackberry and kirsch, but a lot of savory, earth notes. Better in the evening after the formal blind tasting, with only a slight drop to 92 on day 2. (2250 views)
 Tasted by Brix on 10/26/2014: Egads. I have no idea how to score this. If, like me, you've stored this wine at cellar temps, put it back and don't even think about drinking it for another decade. Not remotely ready to drink: primary, tannic, opaquely purple. Even after 3 hours of decanting, disjointed and harsh, barely hinting at future nuance. I saved half a bottle for tomorrow but I'm not optimistic that it will improve much. Not flawed, just painfully, egregiously, criminally immature. (2211 views)
 Tasted by pwillen1 on 10/20/2014: Ready for business! Lovely dried herbs and lavender, then very savory in the mouth. Some tannins but mostly integrated. Long, smooth finish. Seems a bit early maturing but should last another 5 years plus. (1976 views)
 Tasted by ctulsky on 9/3/2014: Clear ruby hue with orange rim.
On the nose, it primarily exhibits a bouquet of flowers including rose petals, lilac, lily, and lavender soap, followed by dried prune, dried apricot, stewed fig and pomegranate with subtle nutmeg to top it off. Slight touch of volatile acidity. Sour red fruits on the palate, leather, spice, midium tannin, midium-plus acid. midium-high alcohol. The tannin has some ways to integrate but it is fully expressive on the nose. Nicely layered wine with strength and finesse. Consume between now and 2020. (2658 views)
 Tasted by pifcho on 8/30/2014 & rated 91 points: Classical CdP profile. Kirsch, herbs de Provance, some dark chocolate. Quite suave and lush palate. Everything is well proportioned, with the exception of some alcohol sticking out. Very well made, but lacks some whoomph to be special. Drinking slightly better on the second night, but good with a couple of hours of air on Day 1. (2086 views)
 Tasted by FYC on 8/21/2014: Purchased on release. One of the first wines I purchased to age. Started with a 6 pack and down to 2 after tonight. Bit of alcohol blew off. Red cherry fruit, hint of soy, hint of seaweed, a little bit of earth. Nicely balanced. Not much secondary notes yet. In a nice place but room for improvement. (2305 views)
 Tasted by lvjohn on 8/1/2014 & rated 87 points: Decanted and let rest for one hour plus. Showed hints of being a bad bottle because of a very medicinal and unappealing aftertaste. That feature faded and left us with an ok taste experience. (2271 views)
 Tasted by Noeyedeer on 7/27/2014 & rated 91 points: That's it - just drank my last bottle of 2004 - how sad! This is a pretty classy CNdP with the berry flavours and tannins nicely balanced. It also has a lovely long finish with flavours being enjoyed long after the swallow. (2310 views)
 Tasted by vinole on 7/20/2014 & rated 93 points: See note by thelostverse. (1721 views)
 Tasted by thelostverse on 7/20/2014 & rated 93 points: Opened by Vinole at Home Bistro. Second time I've had this and it is singing right now. Dark fruit with a hit of spice. Probably my favorite red of the night. (1916 views)
 Tasted by AllRed on 7/20/2014: Dinner with M/M vinole (HB Bistro, Chicago): Tasted just a couple of minutes after vinole opened it, and it was tight. Red currants, herbs and pepper with red berry notes on the palate. I missed the opportunity to retaste it. (2179 views)
 Tasted by snipes on 6/15/2014: Drinking well with about 2 hours of air. Got a bit spirity around the 1 hour mark. A bit of funk with a nice freshness. This bottle was enjoyable, but I'm hoping for more improvement over the next few years (2025 views)
 Tasted by llink on 5/8/2014 & rated 91 points: The nose screams VT, very classic kirsch, spice, sea brine and blackberry elements. Still fairly tight and clenched on the palate with good intensity of flavor and really very accessible. Shortish finish and could show further development but no harm in opening one today. (2145 views)
 Tasted by Rechrom on 5/4/2014 & rated 92 points: In a nice drinking window. Great food wine with earth notes and underbrush on a nicely balanced palate. Good fruit, clean finish. (2187 views)
 Tasted by matt182 on 4/21/2014 & rated 90 points: Better than 2005 at this point but was very closed after popping, muted, sweet red fruit and licorice showed after at least 3-4 hours of air. Pepper, spices, garrigue and fine tannins. Last bottle. (2381 views)
 Tasted by UTPK on 4/11/2014: Took 30 min to open up. Fairly stemmy nose with some vibrant dark notes of wood, manure and cranberries. Uneventful attack, medium body with some astringency left. Finish is carried by acidity. Not my favourite producer in CNDP. (2584 views)
 Tasted by lvjohn on 3/23/2014 & rated 94 points: Rich, robust CDP built for food and pleasure. Very nice. (2403 views)
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Professional 'Channels'
By Jancis Robinson, MW
JancisRobinson.com (11/16/2010)
(Dom du Vieux Télégraphe Châteauneuf-du-Pape Red) Subscribe to see review text.
By Richard Hemming
JancisRobinson.com (6/3/2010)
(Vieux Télégraphe Châteauneuf-du-Pape Red) Subscribe to see review text.
By Josh Raynolds
Vinous, January/February 2007, IWC Issue #130
(Domaine du Vieux Telegraphe Chateauneuf du Pape) Subscribe to see review text.
By Jancis Robinson, MW
JancisRobinson.com (1/12/2006)
(Vieux Télégraphe Châteauneuf-du-Pape Red) Subscribe to see review text.
By Josh Raynolds
Vinous, January/February 2006, IWC Issue #124
(Domaine du Vieux Telegraphe Chateauneuf du Pape La Crau) Subscribe to see review text.
By Richard Jennings
RJonWine.com (10/30/2009)
(Domaine du Vieux Télégraphe Châteauneuf-du-Pape La Crau) Dark red violet color; berry, herbal, charcoal nose; tasty, tart black fruit, berry, charcoal, anise palate; medium-plus finish 92+ pts.  92 points
By Chris Kissack
Winedoctor, November 2006
(Domaine du Vieux Télégraphe Châteauneuf du Pape) Sweet and open on the nose, very dominated by Grenache, with lots of cherry-herby fruit to the fore. Sweetly textured fruit, quite fine, nicely rounded, with an appealing, elegant, silky texture. Grippy, herby, sweet cherry fruit like that on the nose. Very primary, but complete, with fresh acids and a good backbone of tannin. Lovely balance. This has lots of potential.  17.5+ points
By Richard Jennings
RJonWine.com (5/6/2006)
(Domaine du Vieux Télégraphe Châteauneuf-du-Pape La Crau) Subtle CdP nose; tart plum, berry, garrigue palate; medium finish  91 points
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Domaine du Vieux Télégraphe

Producer website - Read more about Domaine du Vieux Telegraph

Red Rhone Blend

Read about the different grapes used to produce red and white Rhone wines
On CellarTracker, Red Rhone Blend is the term for a wine consisting of two or more of the traditional 13 Southern Rhone grape varieties. Typically it's the Grenache, Syrah, Mourvedre or Cinsault grapes, but can also contain the Muscardin, Counoise, Clairette, Bourboulenc, Picpoul, Roussanne, Terret Noir, Picardan or Vaccarese grapes.


A 'food' wine. Lacking pretension and intended for local consumption with local cuisine. Lacks the 'high' notes on a Bordeaux, more earthy and sharper so often a better partner to meat dishes with a sauce.

La Crau

On weinlagen-info

France

Vins de France (Office National Interprofessionnel des Vins ) | Pages Vins, Directory of French Winegrowers | French Wine (Wikipedia)

Rhône

Guide to the wines, wineries and appellations in the Rhone Valley The Rhône Valley/Le Vins de la Vallée du Rhône (Comité Interprofession des vins AOC Côtes et vallée du Rhône)

Southern Rhône

Guide to the wines, wineries and appellations in the Southern Rhone Valley

RP APPRAISAL OF SOUTHERN RHONE VINTAGES:
WA: 2011 88R / 2010 98T / 2009 93E/ 2008 86R / 2007 98E / 2006 92R / 2005 95T / 2004 88R / 2003 90I / 2002 58C / 2001 96T / 2000 98E

### 2005 ###
In southern Rhone, 2005 was a below average sized crop, because of continuing drought and the fact that there are so many old vineyards where low yields are the rule of thumb even in an abundant year. While 2005 is truly an excellent vintage in the south, I do not believe it is a compellingly great vintage, because it has more in common with beefed up, improved version of 1995 than with what I consider an irrefutably great vintage like 1998, 2001 or even 2000. Certainly the wines have plenty of structure and possess fresher, more vibrant acidities than most years provide. The top wines also display impressive levels of concentration. However all the 2005s tend to reveal a certain firmness, and if the grapes were picked too soon, or the vinification/upbringing were not carefully handled, there is a toughness and austerity to the tannins that ultimately will prove to be problematic. Nevertheless, there is an ocean of top wines.


### 2007 ###
The 2007 vintage in Southern France was wonderful. Here is what controversial Robert M. Parker (Wine Advocate Issue 179) said about it, “Throughout the southern Rhône, 2007 is the greatest vintage I have tasted in my thirty years working in that region. I think of 2007 as a hypothetical blend of an opulent, powerful, sumptuous year such as 1990, and a cooler draught vintage such as 2001. The cool weather and the remarkable three weeks of Mistral in September that concentrated the grapes without any spikes of high heat appears to have given the 2007s an aromatic dimension and freshness that I have rarely witnessed. Combine that with wines that are substantial, powerful, and relatively high in alcohol, with super depth of fruit! These are very aromatic wines of great concentration, freshness, laser-like focus, and amazing purity as well as depth. It is the vintage of my lifetime for this region, and I don’t say that lightly.”

### 2010 ###
Robert Parker, on the 2010 vintage:
"Some producers think 2010 eclipses 2007 because of the wines' vivid freshness and focus. Throughout the southern Rhône, the hallmarks of the vintage are very dense purple, sometimes even blue/black colors as well as higher acid levels that have not been seen since 2004 and 2001. In fact, 2010's paradox is that I can't remember a vintage so concentrated, powerful and rich that also has such zesty acidity. The 2010s will have significant aging potential, which is obvious in the level of tannins, but the tannins are sweet with exceptional elegance and finesse. The ratio of high extractive and phenolic skins to the juice has produced wines of extraordinary intensity, freshness, aromatic potential and obvious longevity. This is another great vintage that offers an embarrassment of riches for this region that has enjoyed a succession of extraordinary years."

### 2011 ###
- "has most Rhône vintners exceedingly optimistic for a third straight outstanding year…" -Wine Spectator
- "fans of fruit-forward, accessible wines will find plenty to like from '11, which looks to be an ideal candidate for restaurants as well as for wine lovers…" -Stephen Tanzer
- “we have got 2011 which is a combination of these two great vintages." -Michel Chapoutier on how 2011 is a combination of the 2009 and 2010 vintage
- The 2011 Southern Rhone Region was Rated 89-92 by Wine Spectator's Vintage Chart!

(By Wine Spectator
2011 Vintage Report: France
A first look at vintage quality in French wine regions, with eyewitness reports from growers and winemakers
Posted: November 14, 2011
Rhône Valley
The 2011 harvest has most Rhône vintners exceedingly optimistic for a third straight outstanding year, though a handful rued some late rains and heat that blemished what could have been a perfect growing season.

By Stephen Tanzer's International Wine Cellar
2011 and 2010 Southern Rhone Wines
By Josh Raynolds
Jan/Feb 2013
"...fans of fruit-forward, accessible wines will find plenty to like from '11, which looks to be an ideal candidate for restaurants as well as for wine lovers who lack the facilities or patience for long-term storage.
Fans of graceful, fruit-driven Rhone wines will find plenty to like from 2011 and, as was the case in 2008, 2006 and 2004…"

By vitabella.fr
Michel Chapoutier on 2011 in Rhone Valley: A detailed Early Report
26 Octobre 2011
The tastings of the 2011 vintage have recently given an opportunity for Michel Chapoutier to give his first impressions of the quality of this vintage for the appellations of the Rhone Valley. Prior to the presentation of each appellation, he noted that "after a warm and sunny 2009 vintage that resulted in the exuberance of grape varieties, 2010 was a fresher year with slow maturities which generally gave tense wines - to those who were able to wait for the phenolic maturity - some mineral wines, elegant with an outward expression of the soil, we have got 2011 which is a combination of these two great vintages. "
"This 2011 harvest in Rhone Valley was both early and late: a real paradox!"

By Wine Spectator’s Vintage Chart
Southern Rhone
Vintage: 2011
Score: 89-92
Drink Rec: NYR
Description: Warm spring, but cool, wet weather in July and August led to uneven ripening; Indian summer saved the vintage. Grenache is light, but Syrah and Mourvèdre strong, so blending key; there will be some excellent wines, but heterogenous from domaine to domaine.)

Châteauneuf-du-Pape

Châteauneuf-du-Pape Appellation - Read more about Chateauneuf du Pape

Another site on this appellation
Vineyards on weinlagen-info

"As I have written many times in the past, the sweet spot for drinking Châteauneuf du Papes is usually the first 5-6 years after the vintage. Then they seem to go through an adolescent, awkward, and sometimes dormant stage, only to re-emerge around year 10-12, where the majority of wines are often fully mature. The best of them will continue to hold on to life (but rarely improving) beyond 15-20 years. It is only the exceptional Châteauneuf du Papes that will evolve for 20-25+ years, and those are indeed a rarity. However, things may be improving dramatically in terms of the longevity of Châteauneuf du Pape, although Grenache-dominated wines, the vast majority of wines produced in the appellation, are wines that do not have the polyphenol (extract and tannin) content of top Cabernet Sauvignons, Merlots, or Syrah-based wines. Nevertheless, the younger generation in Châteauneuf du Pape has taken seriously the farming in the vineyards. There are more organic and biodynamically run vineyards here than in any other appellation of France. The yields, which were already low, are even lower today (20-35 hectoliters per hectare), and of course, the proliferation of top luxury and/or old-vine cuvées gives a significant boost to the number of wines that will evolve past 25 or 30 years. The advantage of these wines is their broad window of drinkability." ( Robert Parker )

 
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