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| ||Tasted by hkm520240 on 5/20/2015 & rated 95 points: 70s French Wines (Jade Palace Seafood Restaurant, Forum): Tasted blind. Dark ruby and vibrant hues.|
Fresh and vibrant, lifted bouquet of floral, blackcurrant, dark cherry, sweet spice & licorice. Elegant and showing nice fruits, amazingly holding so well so fresh.
Nice entry, still robust, young with loads of fruits. Blackcurrant, dark cherry, spice and earthy undertones. Vibrant acidity lead to a long persistent finish. Seamless and harmonious.
What a sensational effort as it tastes like a good 80s or even 90s. Judging that Château Pavie has not made its name in those days.
This is so impressive and voted as WOTN unanimously by the group. (953 views)
| ||Tasted by LWI on 1/18/2014 flawed bottle: Saturday night wines: Initial a warm and interesting wine, rapidly grew into a TCA monster. (2309 views)|
| ||Tasted by Dulcie and Aylwin on 11/25/2013: To my slight surprise this was the second '79 we have drunk this year alone, which marks a severe ramp up in consumption given that I bought 6 bottles in 1983 and still have 2 left. Currently the Wine-Searcher price is between $180-230 but I note an eBay auction in Germany where the current bid is a mere $5. There is always that nagging question, do I drink or do I sell? Well I never got in the game to profit so it really is a moot point.|
The level was very generous at the neck, higher than the previous couple. The cork came out entire, in pretty good nick although soft and sodden. The color fantastic, all garnet red with a white rim, no yellowing in evidence. As before, notable berry fruit combined with the civilized aromas of oak. Still two left to go is the nice closing thought. (2210 views)
| ||Tasted by Dulcie and Aylwin on 5/18/2013: We last drank one of these in 2007, some 19 years after consuming the first. I am slightly shocked to see that my reaction in 2007 is little different from what it is this evening, all the more so since I declared to be slightly disappointed in 1988. |
The label had come off during an inundation of the cellar (well if the cork is good, what should that matter?). The cork came out entire, although fragile, and the level was below the shoulder.
Of course one tends to be biased with things one loves, but I do not exaggerate the deep garnet clarity with just a faint fading in the rim. Lovely bouquet of old drawing rooms and books; but on the palate is where it shines with bright currant fruit that lingers an age. How few people probably get to enjoy a Bordeaux at the right maturity. We are blessed; and three still to go. (2615 views)
| ||Tasted by dbp on 1/31/2010 & rated 89 points: Opened up quite a bit over an hour. Now shows heavy aromas of smoke, dark chocolate chips, cabbage growing in dirt, and some graphite. Quite pleasing nose. Some dirty cherry fruit, wet wood, some soil, Brussles Sprouts, and tannins and smoke build on the palate. Finish shows some mushrooms, soil, and not really holding any fruit. Still very pleasing; best on the nose. (3267 views)|
| ||Tasted by gripNsip on 1/31/2010 & rated 88 points: Still interesting and enjoyable to drink. Despite there being virtually no fruit on the nose, this smelled very interesting and delicious. The palate still had a small amount of fruit intact with a good amount of structure still present. A nice length finish showcased many interesting secondary flavors. An enjoyable drink overall. (3837 views)|
| ||Tasted by MHildbold on 5/16/2009 & rated 88 points: I think this wine is a bit past its peak and on its way down. The 85, which I had recently, is at its apex right now. Fruit is a bit thin, with a little greenness peaking through. Olivine character beginning to show. An interesting wine for sure, but certainly not in its prime. (2457 views)|
| ||Tasted by thirstyman on 3/31/2009 & rated 89 points: nice - but a little past prime. Funk that would not blow off - but still good fruit underneath. (2331 views)|
| ||Tasted by JuniorSamples on 4/13/2008 & rated 90 points: Stood bottle up about two hours before opening. Cork was half saturated, but intact. Not surprisingly, a fair bit of sediment on the bottle and following decanting. Color has faded down to ligh ruby, but not bricked. Very little nose to speak of, which made me worry that this had turned, but the taste is still there. Not a ton of fruit, mind you, but enough. Black currant, leather, gravel, a hint of oak. Drank with brie and cheddar cheeses, apples and crackers. Not a 'knock your socks off' bottle, but a good experience nonetheless. If you have one, I'd drink it, because I doubt it's got a lot left. (2111 views)|
| ||Tasted by Dulcie and Aylwin on 5/21/2007: Hard to believe that almost twenty years have passed since consumption of the first bottle. I have battled with a strong emotional attachment to what was then my first (of what I expected to be many to come) foray into the futures game. Time and occasion never seem to present themselves and I probably fuss too much but yesterday I took the plunge and broached another.|
Maybe I will be shown to be the beneficiary of this reluctance to consume. In all honesty, I had expected the thing to be tired and worn and that I would be left regretting my indecision. Oh, how gloriously wrong on that point! The level was down to the top of the shoulder; the cork came out intact although it was a little frail and thoroughly discoloured with a gorgeous old cellar smell. The wine showed a crystal clear garnet red with a lowering intensity at the rim but no evident yellowing. The nose was big, cedary, fragrant, complex and subtle. On the palate it was even better, with a strong initial berry fruit - redcurrant - followed by a swirl of other events. Everything was well resolved, all the tannins mellowed out. Dulcie thought the best wine she has had.
Another twenty years to the next one? Probably not. (1923 views)
| ||Tasted by Dulcie and Aylwin on 6/17/1988: We drank the first bottle before they were shipped from N.J. to my new home in Illinois. At the time I wrote, "Somewhat disappointing: comparative lightweight. Unexciting bouquet, not long-lived in the mouth. Good balance but lacking power."|
Obviously not a ringing endorsement. Perhaps the wine was dumb back then. (2122 views)
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Saint Emilion Grat Classified Growth, Classified Growths, Grands Crus Classes, GCC
In 1954, while the "Graves" growths had just published their own classification, the wine syndicate of Saint-Emilion, composed by wine growers, brokers and wine traders with the approval of the INAO - Institut National des Appellations d'Origine (A.O.C), decided to work on a classification for the wines of Saint Emilion. Initially, four grades were defined. These were reduced to two - First Great Classified Growth (A and B) and Great Classified Growth - in 1984.
As of Medoc's 1855 historical grading, the Saint-Emilion Great Classified Growth classification is not only based on qualitative criteria by tasting the wines on a ten years period previous to the assessment, but also on commercial considerations such as:
- sales price levels
- national and international commercial distribution
- the estate's reputation on the market
Properties who don't manage to join the club of about sixty Classified Growths are given the denomination of Great Growth ("Grand Cru"), while the remaining wineries of the A.O.C are simply reported as "Saint-Emilion". It is to be noted that the owners must officially apply to appear in the official classification. Thus for example the famous Chateau Tertre-Roteboeuf, whose quality and reputation would easily justify to be listed among the First Great Classified Growths, does not appear here by the will of its owner, François Mitjaville.
The Saint-Emilion Great Growth classification was revised in 1969, 1985, 1996 and 2006. The only two guaranteed vintage (A.O.C) who can apply to the classification are the "Saint-Emilion Grand Cru" and "Saint-Emilion" areas.
By grading 61 properties, the 2006 revision confirmed many growths from the former classification, but also caused a number of surprises and a few inevitable disappointments. Many observers thought that the impressive progression of Perse's Chateau Pavie since 1998 would be rewarded by an upgrade into the First Great Classified Growths (A) category, but finally such was not the case.
Among the estates promoted to the First Great Classified Growths B category are Chateau Troplong-Mondot and Pavie-Macquin, whose efforts made since the Nineties fully justify their new grade. It should be noted that no First Great Classified Growth was relegated to the lower Great Classified Growth class.
Promoted growths from the status of Great Growth ("Grand Cru") to Great Classified Growth ("Grand Cru Classe") are: Chateaux Bellefont-Belcier, Destieux, Fleur Cardinale, Grand Corbin, Grand Corbin-Despagne and Monbousquet.
The demoted growths from the status of Great Classified Growth to Great Growth are: Chateaux Bellevue, Cadet Bon, Faurie de Souchard, Guadet Saint-Julien, La Tour du Pin-Figeac (Belivier), La Tour du Pin-Figeac (Moueix), Lamarzelle, Petite Faurie de Soutard, Tertre Daugay, Villemaurine and Yon-Figeac. If the recent samples of some of the above mentioned properties may justify their current downgrade, there are great chances that estates like Bellevue, Tertre Daugay or Yon-Figeac will be upgraded to their previous rankings by the next revision in 2016 as the progresses noted after 2000, but not entering in the range of vintages (1993 - 2002) appointed for the criteria of selection for the 2006 classification, are noticable.
The two following estates have completely disappeared from the Saint-Emilion Grand Cru Classification: Curé-Bon-la-Madeleine (integrated meanwhile to Chateau Canon) and La Clusière (integrated meanwhile to Chateau Pavie).
Finally, no estate considered as "garagiste" has integrated the classification. Valandraud, Mondotte, Le Dome, Bellevue-Mondotte or Magrez-Fombrauge have, for the least, the potential to be ranked as Great Classified Growths. In sight of the very fine quality reached by the above mentioned estates in recent vintages as well as all the innovative wine making methods used by the "garagistes", it remains to be seen whether the authorities will dare to cross the line in 2016..?
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