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2007 Vintage - News? - 11/21/2007 12:16:33 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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So here are the preliminary reports:

August 28, 2007 Chateau Carbonnieux in the Graves region south of Bordeaux has kicked off the 2007 harvest.
http://www.decanter.com/news/139565.html
 
"Bordeaux 2007 vintage looking up"
publication date: Sep 14, 2007

http://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles/20070914_1
 
"Bordeaux 2007 harvest? A difficult year for grapes" 27 September 2007
http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=44367

 
Bordeaux 2007 October 5, 2007
http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/node/249

 
"JUST REPEAT OF 2004 OR 2002 OR 1997 OR SOMETHING REALLY DIFFERENT?""

http://www.greatbordeauxwines.com/Bordeaux%202007.html

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 11/21/2007 9:37:00 AM   
Ricardo

 

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Status: offline 		hmm.....I don't think 2007 is a year for buying en-primeur, do you?

Maybe next year will see a correction in prices also? Credit squeezes have a habit of filtering down into discretionary purchases....

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 11/21/2007 12:35:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		It looks like a repeat of 2002, perhaps there will be some price pressure and there will be some overlooked jewels that we can get for song, like 2004.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 11/22/2007 3:26:13 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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L.

PS  I have pretty good unbroken runs from 2000 of Calon Segur, Cos dÉstournel, Haut Brion, Lagrange, Leoville (Barton & Poyferre), Smith Haut Laffite and Mouton Rothschild, so will try and add 2007 to the run.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 11/27/2007 3:48:23 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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Suspect that says something in itself.
Prices must moderate for 2007's.


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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 11/28/2007 12:06:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I, unfortunately, don't know diddly about 2007 harvest except some tidbits about CA harvests.

I'd love to hear from anyone who knows about 2007 harvests in:
Spain: Ribera del Duero and Priorat
Portugal: (although I suspect it would be similar to that of Spain's Ribera del Duero)
Australia: Barossa & McLaren Vale
France: Southern Rhone

Thanks to anybody who posts about what they know!

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 11/28/2007 1:24:31 PM   
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2007: This was a season most Australian vignerons would prefer to forget. Universal drought, widespread and repeated frosts, and bushfires early in the season - even hail at Christmas in the Yarra Valley - all added up to overall yields slashed by what looks to be somewhere between 30-35% down on 2006.  While catastrophic for many small growers, it will soon bring the oversupply into something approaching balance.  The vintage was so early - months, in places - that winemakers were wondering what to do with their spare time.  Quality is very variable: some hotter regions such Barossa Valley found the season too hot and dry, with reds being tough and tannic without much fruit, while cooler regions such as Tasmania and southern Victoria have some good to very good wine, but little of it.  Mornington Peninsula, Hunter Valley, and Margaret River look to have had the most success. The King and Alpine valleys suffered more than most; yields are down by 70 to 80 percent, and as in 2003, bushfire smoke taint again made much of the fruit unusable.  Bring on 2008!

Excerpt from 2008 Wine Report, Tom Stevenson

Personally, I'm concentrating on New Zealand for it has been gaining steadily in quality and I think it's a much more exciting region right now. 

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 11/28/2007 1:30:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		hmmm...too bad about '07 Aussies ... Thanks for the info fingers.

I'd still love to hear if there's better news for:
Portugal
Spain
Southern Rhone.

Thanks again everybody!

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 11/29/2007 3:04:55 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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Status: offline 		Interesting stuff on Aussieland.
Strange - a hot dry year in Bordeaux gave us 2000 and 2005.

(Does NZ make good red wine, can't say I know too much about it, if it does).

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 11/29/2007 7:54:10 AM   
fingers

 

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Status: offline 		Well, Colonel, here's where I'm at with New Zealand:  I think it's the most exciting and promising growth area in the wine world and it is now producing world-class Pinot's.  The best wine I've had in several years came from there (Alana Estate Tuapapa) and several other PN's I tried there were amazing.  We all know about their sauv blanc's (which I love) but I was also stunned by the chardonnay.  The big problem is availablilty.  Most of their supply goes to the Roo's (Australia) and all I can find in the States are the big, mass-makers (Cloudy Bay, Kim Crawford, etc.)  There are direct shipping options from most of the wineries, however, and this is the route I'm pursuing.  If you care to take the time, I have a lengthy post in "Diving Head First-New Zealand"  thread that covers a trip we took there in September and I reviewed about 15 wines.   

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/1/2007 3:05:21 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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Thanks,
L.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/3/2007 12:01:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Potentially great in Rhone, Italy and Germany is what I'm hearing.  Caution needed with most other major European wine regions.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/5/2007 2:37:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes Bordeaux looks suspect: may give it a miss altogether unless the top Chateaux get their prices right.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/5/2007 6:34:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Been following a wine maker's blog in the Limoux appellation of the Languedoc region of France (close to the city of Carcassonne), where it appears to have been perfect summer and beginning of autumn. Don't know how general that is for the Languedoc region, but I'll be there in a couple of weeks and will visit several vinyards while there to ask!

(PS the Languedoc region is another region full of surprises, some really great wines there for almost nothing)

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/5/2007 9:38:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		2007 seems to have been a great year here in Napa and Sonoma. Some of the best weather for ripening throughout the summer. Some say the most consistant weather in over a century. Very even ripening across all of our vineyards and I heard it was pretty much the same from my friends on the valley floor. Everyone here is quite excited about the 07 vintage.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/6/2007 5:20:46 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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If there is one might be an interesting way for me to start a collection.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/6/2007 12:55:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Colonel Lawrence

What's the en primeur market like for Californian wines?
If there is one might be an interesting way for me to start a collection.
sis

The US version is the mailing list.  Many wineries sell the entire allocation this way.  I am on a few and am on some on a waiting list basis.  Usually prices double or triple from release price.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/7/2007 12:34:38 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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What criteria do they use?
L.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/8/2007 10:14:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Colonel Lawrence

Seems like getting on these lists is worth some effort!
What criteria do they use?
L.


as far as getting on the list, it's first come, first served...subject to availability of spots (often there is a waiting list to get on the mailing list),  Once you're on the mailing list, wineries have different requirements for remaining on the list - usually some sort of bottle allocation requirement, anywhere from 1/2 case per year to 2 cases per year.  Sometimes you have to pay to be on the list or pay to become a wine club member at that winery (for the ones who don't operate with a "mailing list.")  I'm sure there are huge waiting lists for all the "big boy" CA cult classics, be forewarned.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/11/2007 6:12:29 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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Status: offline 		Back to 2007: Hugh Johnson questions whether it really matters?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/wine/article2848089.ece
Is it just snobbery?

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/11/2007 8:17:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Colonel Lawrence

Back to 2007: Hugh Johnson questions whether it really matters?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/wine/article2848089.ece
Is it just snobbery?


Anyone want to trade 1 bottle of 2000 Ducru (yours) for 3 bottles of '93 (mine)?

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/11/2007 3:34:09 PM   
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Back to 2007: Hugh Johnson questions whether it really matters?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/wine/article2848089.ece
Is it just snobbery?

I don't know that I quite agree that vintages are completely irrelevant, but I certainly agree that the difference between "great" vintages and "poor" vintages has narrowed.  Yes, the wines produced from a poor vintage are (for the most part) perfectly drinkable, but the wines produced in great vintages are for the most part far superior.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/14/2007 7:11:08 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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http://www.wosa.co.za/wosa_news_article.php?wine_id=9501

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/14/2007 7:13:50 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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http://www.danthewineguy.com/

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/14/2007 10:30:06 AM   
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I don't know that I quite agree that vintages are completely irrelevant, but I certainly agree that the difference between "great" vintages and "poor" vintages has narrowed.  Yes, the wines produced from a poor vintage are (for the most part) perfectly drinkable, but the wines produced in great vintages are for the most part far superior.



I think that vintages are relevant as well.  Just take a producer, let's say someone that uses modern technology such as Reignac.  If you do a vertical of 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and the 2005, you will see that the 2002 and 2004 are markedly below the quality of the other vintages.  That does not mean that they are undrinkable, it just means that they are not as good both from a taste perspective and an ageability perspective.  I seriously doubt if the 2002 Reignac will still be viable in 2013, but the 2005 will be drinkable until at leasts 2025 or beyond.  What will suprise you is that there is practically no difference between 2000 and 2001.    The 2003 is acutally a step down from 2001 and the 2005 outclasses the entire group.   I think you can repeat that result with many producers, especially the smaller ones that cannot afford as severe of a selection.

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/15/2007 12:13:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like Hugh is out on his own then, I'll join you guys and agree the official CT view - Vintages are relevant!


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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 12/16/2007 4:33:56 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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Status: offline 		Clearly some people think vintages count a lot:
http://www.moreintelligentlife.co.uk/node/249
Interesting comment that you'd have been mad to buy 2006 en primeur.
I suppose I should be glad I bought 1/5 as much in 2006 as in good years.
Maybe nothing in 2007?



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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 1/23/2008 1:00:09 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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Status: offline 		This is a critical moment for Bordeaux as we get close to the 2007 en primeur releases.
I believe the Producers will make a mistake and attempt to keep the prices high, as they have with 2006.
There has been no real appreciation in prices of the 2005 and 2006 vintages (except for a few of the very top wines) and very rightly buyers will ask what's the point of paying for something not even in the bottle, when you can wait a few years and buy it at the same price.
I found this a very telling point by Stephen Browett of Farr (who's opinion I rate highly):
"Bordeaux wine merchants are currently one of our biggest customer sectors (for older vintages he means).  If your best customers become your supplier, then you ought to worry – but the chateaux don't seem to be taking notice of this."*

Also this is an interesting point made in Decanter - NO Parker!!!
"Robert Parker may also be absent from this year's tastings. He is undergoing back surgery and is not coming to Bordeaux this month for his traditional re-tasting of last year's vintage, and is not sure if he will be recovered enough to travel in March, which may do more harm for the prospects with the US than a weak dollar."

Read the whole article in Decanter:
http://www.decanter.com/news/174727.html

I for one will be very selective; maybe my favourite Leovilles (Barton and Poyferre) and a 1st or two, if the price is right.
The rest of the cellar will be topped up with the New World!


* Interesting thought - that the 2000 wines I recently sold back to Farr may end up back in Bordeaux ;)

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 1/23/2008 1:05:49 AM   
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http://www.bibendum-wine.co.uk/retail/events/Bordeaux_Annual_Tasting
Should have known I should have been back in time for St. Georges day!

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RE: 2007 Vintage - News? - 1/25/2008 12:13:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many of you know that I don't really care about Bordeaux or French wines in particular, but I have been following the 2007 vintage news in that region and here at home.  Wine Spectator has a great article (scorecard) in the latest magazine.  As many heard and/or predicted, France took a hit this year.  Australia continues to suffer from the lack of rain, but the US looks like it did well overall, including some of the finger lakes regions.

I must admit that I would like to purchase some INEXPENSIVE 2007 futures as they become available, the year my youngest daughter was born.  We'll see.  I also have an interested in a case or two of 2005 Bordeaux futures..........just to see what happens.

I am now on a quest to find some 1995 and 1997 wines to cellar for my older children's future milestone birthdays.  Sure wish I had started this obsession 15 years ago!

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