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CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/17/2008 7:24:31 PM   
mclancy10006

 

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Status: offline 		I saw another thread about a CT top ten for 2008 so I thought I would try to coax the reporting function into spitting out the answer.
This is the top ten scoring wines with more than 70 tasting notes by more than 25 unique users. (yes that is a total arbitrary cut point, but what fun would it be without sampling bias)

  1.         N.V. Krug Champagne Grande Cuvée (France, Champagne) (92.5 pts. in 96 notes)
  2.     2005 Sea Smoke Pinot Noir Southing (USA, California, Central Coast, Santa Rita Hills) (91.8 pts. in 114 notes)
  3.     2005 Kosta Browne Pinot Noir Russian River Valley (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley) (91.2 pts. in 88 notes)
  4.     2006 Kosta Browne Pinot Noir Russian River Valley (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley) (91.1 pts. in 95 notes)
  5.     2005 Kosta Browne Pinot Noir Sonoma Coast (USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast) (91.1 pts. in 91 notes)
  6.     2006 Kosta Browne Pinot Noir Sonoma Coast (USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast) (90.8 pts. in 107 notes)
  7.     2007 Seghesio Family Vineyards Zinfandel Sonoma County (USA, California, Sonoma County) (90.7 pts. in 75 notes)
  8.     2005 Schild Estate Shiraz Barossa Valley (Australia, South Australia, Barossa, Barossa Valley) (90.5 pts. in 80 notes)
  9.     N.V. Bollinger Champagne Special Cuvée Brut (France, Champagne) (90.4 pts. in 97 notes)
  10.     2005 Orin Swift The Prisoner (USA, California, Napa Valley) (90.3 pts. in 107 notes)
(The report URL is here if you want to fiddle with your own. We may want to use some other values for notes/unique users)

-Mark

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/18/2008 12:29:06 AM   
pjaines

 

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Status: offline 		I'm not sure whether to be in awe at your geekiness and use of CT to get these results or just confused by the results.

Probably both.

Seems strange that there is so much CA wine, and 4 from one estate.


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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/18/2008 1:25:04 AM   
NiklasW

 

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Status: offline 		I think it just reflects that the majority of the users of CT are still North Americans. Maybe we need to go forth and spread the word in Europe?? 

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/18/2008 2:31:52 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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Status: offline 		The choice of selection criteria decided the results.
We really saw the 2008 top common wines.
 
If you drop the selection criteria that many must have been able to taste it and comment (i.e. no restrictions) you find that France had eight of the top ten and Champagne wasn’t one of them.
 
And yes we need a broader audience for CT, and not just on the Forum.
 
L.

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/18/2008 3:46:24 AM   
pjaines

 

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/18/2008 10:46:33 AM   
jhannah27

 

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Status: offline 		Interesting that the Seghesio Zin made it on the CT list as well.  Probably the only one that has a large enough production and is the most approachable now.

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/18/2008 7:31:59 PM   
Eric

 

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Status: offline 		If you filter back to requiring at least 25 users it does skew things heavily to Cali. But hey, it's all fun to play with the data!

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/19/2008 12:41:00 AM   
superbarre

 

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Status: offline 		about the european users vs US wines....

All the American wines that have good critics here (on CT) or let's say, above 90 CT scores (to be as arbitrary as the topic starter) are almost impossible to find here, or at prices that are very different than prices in US. You can find all your Gallo clones and stuff, but all the others are unknown to me.

From the other hand, almost all European wine I buy is cheaper for me then the CT average, but not by the same factor as the other way around.

I have a friend that moves to Washington in a few weeks, I already told her I would visit her there (just to visit the Washington wineries  )... hey, it's a start

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/19/2008 2:05:28 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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Status: offline 		Yes the taxation regimes are very different ROW vs USA (and even within USA).
Also there seem to be quite different marketing strategies at work.
The best example I can think of is beer not wine.
In the UK Watney's Red Barrel was considered a joke (apparently the alcohol content was so low you could almost sell it in sweet (candy) shops to kids; in the USA it was sold as a premium beer ;)
They of course got their own back on us selling Budweisser as a premium beer in the UK - when I was in the States I could get 24 for under $10!
L.

PS  I really hope that one day I will set up a cellar in the USA and collect non-French wines there.

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/19/2008 2:39:39 AM   
superbarre

 

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Status: offline 		now, us Belgians got back on the US too by our local breweries (here just one km further) taking over the Anh./Bud breweries

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/19/2008 5:18:45 AM   
annerk

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: superbarre

now, us Belgians got back on the US too by our local breweries (here just one km further) taking over the Anh./Bud breweries


My husband hopes that the American mass market beers will get better now that the Belgians have taken over.  He says for the most part they can't get much worse.

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/19/2008 5:40:20 AM   
pjaines

 

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Status: offline 		If you want proper Budweiser, try the stuff from the Czech Republic.....,

http://www.budvar.cz/en/index.html

I seem to remember Budweiser in the US tried to stop Budweiser in Czech Republic using the Budweiser name - even though the one in Europe has been using it for 800 years.





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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/20/2008 6:27:35 PM   
ob2s

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: superbarre

I have a friend that moves to Washington in a few weeks, I already told her I would visit her there (just to visit the Washington wineries  )... hey, it's a start


Well if she lives in Seattle, your trip to Walla Walla will be a far as Leuven to Zurich with MUCH less traffic

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/20/2008 6:34:12 PM   
Pavie Princess

 

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Status: offline 		Those would not be my top ten for wines of the yr of 2008.

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 11/20/2008 8:10:45 PM   
tacman

 

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Status: offline 		Agree completely with the Princess ... maybe she could use them to cook with?


This is, of course, excepting the Krug.  Mmmmm!!

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 1/1/2009 6:01:05 AM   
GregGH

 

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Status: offline 		For us slightly 'less gifted' in GEEKDOM .... can you explain the parts ??

/list.asp?table=PivotNote&Pivot1=iWine&S1=rd&S2=qd&Min=70&MinUsers=25&TastingYear=2008&iUserOverride=0&T=100&Pivot2=

table=PivotNote ....what other options are there ?

&Pivot1=iWine .... ???

&S1=rd .... ????

&S2=qd .... ????

&Min=70 .... ok - got this

&MinUsers=25 .... diito here

&TastingYear=2008 .... ditto here

&iUserOverride=0 .... ????

&T=100 ... ????

&Pivot2= ... ???

Are these items part of a standard set of data base query 'tool's' ?? What other tools are available? Can anyone suggest a wiki or web site to read more on this?

Greg

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 1/1/2009 10:45:57 AM   
GoodToGrape

 

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Status: offline 		I find Mark's sort interesting too, but my take is slightly different.  Yes, there is a US/Cal bias, but the requirement for at least 25 unique users introduces another factor...namely price.  7 of the 10 wines here are around the $50 price point, with the Krug as the outlier on the high side at $110, and the Seghesio the outlier on the low side at around $20.  More affordable wines will tend to be tasted by more users than more expensive wines.  The universe of CT users who can afford to taste and post the 07 Seghesio is much larger than the universe of CT users who can afford to taste and post a $500 CdP.  Hence, this list is more representative of QPR than absolute quality. 

And furthermore, this tells me that $50 would seem to be the optimal point at which a wine buyer can maximize quality and minimize price.  The finance world refers to the "efficient frontier"...the point at which a portfolio most efficiently balances risk with return.  The wine parallel to the efficient frontier would seem to be this list.

< Message edited by GoodToGrape -- 1/1/2009 10:49:09 AM >

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 1/1/2009 8:31:56 PM   
ikkaariainen

 

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Status: offline 		The point in your last paragraph is very well taken - I personally have come to the conclusion that on the retail side the $ 40-50 range really represents a general sweet spot where you can count on starting to get seriously good wines at still a fairly reasonable price. If you think about it, there is on average a much bigger quality improvement moving from the $ 10-20 range to $ 40-50 then there is taking the next step up in price and going up to say the $ 100-120 range and there really are not that many bad wines in that middle range.

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RE: CT top ten of 2008 ?? - 1/2/2009 2:03:14 PM   
mclancy10006

 

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Status: offline 		Greg,
The URL parameter are simply just what the Cellar Tracker app uses to make the query to the database.  The human intelligible  side of this can be found here. http://www.cellartracker.com/query.asp

-Mark


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