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Everything Bordeaux Wine - 7/19/2008 1:07:53 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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A place for discussion about Bordeaux wines.
(in keeping with Eric's directive please keep this exclusively wine related - thanks)
 
Basic Bordeaux
Bordeaux wine
Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordeaux_wine
Bordeaux Wine Guide: Introduction
thewinedoctor.com http://www.thewinedoctor.com/regionalguides/bordeaux.shtml
Bordeaux
terroir-france.com   http://www.terroir-france.com/wine/bordeaux.htm
bordeaux.com  http://www.bordeaux.com/
Office de Tourisme de Bordeaux http://www.bordeaux-tourisme.com/


Affordable Bordeaux
Top 100 Affordable Wines (PR)
bordeauxwinebureau  http://www.bordeauxwinebureau.org 
The Best Bordeaux that Money can Buy
By Clive Coates http://www.thewinenews.com/aprmay03/cover.asp
Buying Bordeaux
 
Farr Vintners
http://www.farrvintners.com/wineindex.php?regionid=1

Berry Bros.
http://www.bbr.com/shopping/list?product_type_F=W&currency_code_F=GBP&super_group_code_F=493

How To Pronounce Them
http://www.bbr.com/wine-knowledge/pronunciation
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RE: Everything Bordeaux Wine - 7/19/2008 1:21:23 AM   
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Keeping with Eric directive and CL's "everything",
Boreaux imported wine from Italy before 78 AD
quote:


Amphorae stamped with the emblems of Pompeian merchants have been found across the Roman empire including the modern day regions of Bordeaux, Narbonne, Toulouse and Spain. There is evidence to suggest that the popularity and notoriety of Pompeian wine may have given rise to early wine fraud with fraudulent stamps being used to mark amphorae of non-Pompeian wine.[4]
The 79 AD eruption of Mount Vesuvius had a devastating effect on the Roman wine industry. Vineyards across the region were destroyed, as well as warehouses storing the recent 78 AD vintage, causing a dramatic shortage of wine.


and one should be truly naive to assume that Bordeax will enjoy it's today notoriety forever.

"Best wine regions" come and go. Bordeaux is not the first and not the last. There is a good chance that 500 years from now the winedrinkers will cherish Bordeaux as much as we cherish Greek wines today.

quote:

In ancient times, the reputation of a wine was dependent on the region the wine came from rather than an individual producer or vineyard. In the 4th century BC, the most expensive wine sold in Athens was wine from Chios which sold for between a quarter of a drachma and 2 drachma for a chous worth – about the equivalent of 4 standard 750 ml wine bottles today. Like early wine critics, Greek poets would extol the praises of certain wines and negatively review those that were not up to their tastes. The wines that were most frequently cited as being of good quality were the wines of Chalkidike, Ismaros, Khios, Kos, Lesbos, Mende, Niaxos, Peparethos (today known as Skopelos) and Thasos.


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RE: Everything Bordeaux Wine - food for the uneducated ... - 7/19/2008 2:38:35 AM   
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I like how Bordeaux marketed today, especially by the people with no clue.

Here is the piece on the subject and example from
http://www.winemonthclub.com/newsletters/vol7no5.htm

quote:


Known to the emperors of Rome, poets, (most notably Pliny and Ausonius), and popes, Bordeaux has enjoyed the envy of the wine producing world longer than any other wine region on earth. From Pliny to the most contemporary wine critics, including Robert Parker Jr., Bordeaux wines have never gone out of favor. Besides, what other wine region can claim three millennia of continuous production and millions of satisfied customers?


three millenia my butt.
1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bordeaux_wine
quote:

The history of wine production seems to have begun sometime after 48 AD, during the Roman occupation of St. Émilion, when the Romans established vineyards to cultivate wine for the soldiers.[1] However, it is only in 71 AD that Pliny recorded the first real evidence of vineyards in Bordeaux.[2] France's first extensive vineyards were established by Rome in around 122 BC in today's Languedoc, the better part of two hundred years earlier.[3]
Although domestically popular, French wine was seldom exported, as the areas covered by vineyards and the volume of wine produced was low. In the 12th century however, the popularity of Bordeaux wines increased dramatically following the marriage of Henry Plantagenet and Aliénor d’Aquitaine[4]. The marriage made the province of Aquitaine English territory, and thenceforth the majority of Bordeaux was then exported[4]. This accounts for the ubiquity of claret in England.


Which makes BDX wine history less than 2000 years and only 800 years worth of export history,
the numbers the Ancient Greeks would just laugh at.

CL, not to worry,
after we are done, we all can honestly proclaim ourselves as Bordeaux experts with deeper knowledge, understanding and appreciation of the region and it's history.

:)

Wine books can be a very good source of knowledge.

If wine history is of any interest to anybody,
I strongly recomend this book:


WINE
The 8,000 Year-Old Story of the Wine Trade
by Thomas Pellechia





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RE: Everything Bordeaux Wine - 7/19/2008 8:22:18 AM   
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Dear Colonel,

Thanks for the very useful sites.

John

PS And Serge, thanks for the critical comments and observations (as always )

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RE: Everything Bordeaux Wine - 7/19/2008 8:42:11 AM   
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John, I wouldn't call it critisizm. Here, at CT, we, the people, strive for excellence,
and no excellence can be achieved without covering all possible angles.

Like in the making of a fine wine:
if you leave too much sugar without counterbalancing acidity, the wines come flat and dull,
if you overoak the wine, the wine leaves wood chips in the tongue.

Everything should be in balance in this life and I do my best to balnce things. That's all.





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RE: Everything Bordeaux Wine - 7/19/2008 8:52:10 AM   
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Serge,

I meant critical, as in " Characterized by careful, exact evaluation and judgment:" If I thought you were criticizng simply for the sake of disagreeing I would have said something like "Stop being such a pain in the ass".

As an academic, I am familiar with both forms, all too familiar with the second I should add.

John

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RE: Everything Bordeaux Wine - 7/19/2008 8:59:54 AM   
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John, modesty aside, I have a PhD in "the second"
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RE: Everything Bordeaux Wine - 7/19/2008 9:50:38 AM   
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I contacted the book author and this is what he has to say on the subject:

Nice link, Serge.

Did you know that Bordeaux was among the last regions in Gaul, under Rome, to get into viticulture?

Marseilles (and the Rhone region) was probably the first, about 600 or 800 BC can't remember which, but it's in my book. And Burgundy was probably already into wine before Bordeaux even gave it a thought.

The real kick for Bordeaux was its 12 century tie to England. That's what made the place famous, and that's why British wine writers still have an overly affectionate feeling for Bordeaux.

Don't get me wrong, I like some of the wine produced in Bordeaux, but it is not the center of the wine universe--and there are places in Greece, Italy, Iberia, and Lebanon that have been producing wine consistently for thousands of years, so the guy who claimed that Bordeaux has special meaning because of its age doesn't know the truth.




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