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Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 2:53:43 PM   
Maestro

 

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Status: offline 		Can any of you folks out there recommend good Grenache-based wines from outside Europe? I am interested in exploring how it shows when grown in other parts of the world.
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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 3:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		two from Paso Robles, come to mind...Hug Cellars' El Pape is sold out now, but a new vintage will be available in a few months...also Terry Hoage's grenache based blends are really great...and the grenaches that really impressed me at Hospice du Rhone were from Australia...try Yangarra Old Vine Grenache

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 3:36:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Maestro

Can any of you folks out there recommend good Grenache-based wines from outside Europe? I am interested in exploring how it shows when grown in other parts of the world.


The following are recommendations for the 2008 Rhone Rangers competition:

I've had a few of these, with my favorites being the wines from Ridge.  I don't believe that Ridge even knows how to make a bad wine.
WINES WITH A SCORE AROUND 9.5
2005 Beckmen Vineyards Purisima Mountain Vineyard Grenache, Santa Barbara $40
2005 L'Aventure Winery Cote a Cote Red Blend, Paso Robles $85
2006 Outpost Wines Howell Mountain Grenache, Howell Mountain, Napa $40
2001 Renaissance Vineyard and Winery "Granite Crown" Red Blend, North Yuba $40
2000 Terre Rouge "Noir" Red Blend, Shenandoah Valley $25
2005 Villa Creek Cellars High Road, James Berry Vineyard Red Blend, Paso Robles $55
2005 Villa Creek Cellars "Avenger" Red Blend, Paso Robles $35
WINES SCORING BETWEEN 9 AND 9.5
2005 10 Knots Cellars "Atlantis" Red Blend, San Luis Obispo $32
2005 Alexander Valley Vineyards "Alexander School" Red Blend, Alexander Valley, Sonoma $35
2005 Arroyo Robles Winery "Little Star" Red Blend, Paso Robles $27
2004 Bonny Doon Vineyard "Le Cigare Volant" Red Blend, Central Coast $30
2005 Cass Winery "Rockin' One" Red Blend, Paso Robles $42
2006 Cedarville Vineyard Estate Grenache, El Dorado County $25
2004 Clos Saron "Cuvee Mysterieuse" Red Blend, Sierra Foothills $35
2005 Core "Ground Around" Red Blend, Santa Barbara County$47
2004 Eaglepoint Ranch "Coro Mendocino" Red Blend, Mendocino $35
2005 Ecluse Wines "Rendition" Red Blend, Paso Robles $38
2005 Kaleidos "Osiris" Red Blend, Paso Robles $28
2005 Michael-David Winery "Incognito Red" Red Blend, Lodi $20
2005 Outpost Wines "The Other" Petite Sirah, Howell Mountain, Napa $50
2005 Prospect 772 "The Brat" Red Blend, $36
2004 Renaissance Vineyard and Winery "Mediterranean" Red Blend, North Yuba $30
2000 Renaissance Vineyard and Winery "Proprietary Red Wine" Red Blend, North Yuba $??
2004 Ridge Vineyards Lytton Estate Grenache, Sonoma $24
2006 Ridge Vineyards Lytton Estate Red Blend, Sonoma
2005 Roshambo Winery Red Blend, $40
2005 Summerland Winery "Trio" Red Blend, $42
2005 Summerwood Winery "Diosa" Red Blend, Paso Robles $58
2005 Tablas Creek Vineyard "Esprit de Beaucastel" Red Blend, Paso Robles $45
2006 Villa Creek Cellars "Willow Creek Cuvee" Red Blend, Paso Robles $35
2006 Villa Creek Cellars "Palenque" Red Blend, Paso Robles $40


Here's a link to the entire articla:

http://www.vinography.com/archives/2008/03/the_best_grenache_in_californi.html

Happy hunting!!

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 3:39:20 PM   
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What is that rating out of? 10?  Are they your ratings, or from a source?

You're my boy Blue!  (Sorry...had to be said.)



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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 3:42:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jhannah27

Blue,

What is that rating out of? 10?  Are they your ratings, or from a source?

You're my boy Blue!  (Sorry...had to be said.)




There's an ELO song there somewhere

The scores are out of 10 points.  I included a link to the site at the bottom of the original post.

They're definitely not my ratings.  I take no credit, or blame, for the scores

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 3:55:59 PM   
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I only ask because I didn't want to be offensive in saying that I was shocked to see the Le Cigare Volant from Bonny Doon rated so high.  I have had it a couple times (only because I was given a 1 year wine club membership as a wedding gift...I think the people who gave this to us want us dead), and found it to be quite dreadful.  IMO Maestro might want to stay away from it.

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 4:06:25 PM   
Blue Shorts

 

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Status: offline 		I probably should have mentioned that all recommendations in that list should be thoroughly checked with CT users for accuracy.  I can only vouch for the 2000 Ridge Lytton Estate Grenache... great QPR.

I tend to agree with you about Bonny Doon.  I've never been fond of any of their wines.

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 4:11:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		another from Blue's list that I'll second is the Villa Creek "High Road"...that is some NICE juice

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 4:59:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maestro, the Greenock Creek Cornerstone Grenache from Australia has had some favourable CT reviews.  I have some of the '05 vintage however I have not tried it yet so I can only go by what others say.

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 5:21:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are a few producers in Washington specializing in Rhone varietals, and they're starting to fool around with Grenache:

2005 Cayuse Grenache God Only Knows: http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=406339
I would give my left nut to try this wine.

2006 K Vintners The Boy: http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=500167
I loved the 2005 (drank this before I started writing tasting notes on CT, but from memory, it is a spicy barnyard berry bomb) and have a bottle of 2006 that I plan to try soon.

2006 McCrea Cellars non sequitur: http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=535213
2005 McCrea Cellars Sirocco: http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=442550
This guy is the pioneer of Rhones in Washington; he should have access to excellent grapes, but I haven't tried either of these. Each is a blend including Grenache, Mourvedre, Syrah, Counoise; the non sequitur also includes Cinsault.

2006 Bunnell Family Cellar Grenache (unreleased)
I need to try some of his stuff. Ron Bunnell worked at Ste Michelle and other wineries before striking off on his own to focus on the Rhones. 2006 is his first vintage of Grenache, and it is in the bottle, but not yet released.

My (still relatively uneducated) palate says that Washington's Syrahs and Grenaches (not to mention Rousannes and Viogniers) will end up with stronger reputations than its Bordeaux blends.

Hope this helps!

Paul

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/15/2008 11:31:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Domestically, try Mcprice Myers.  Not that expensive, and a beautifully ripe expression of the grape.  Tablas Creek also has some blends with a decent amount of grenache in their wines.

And if you like Aussie wines, there's plenty of options.  Yalumba bush vine and tricentennary vines come to mind.  Clarendon's Hickenbothem is fantastic, although a bit pricey.  Two Hands make some fruit bombs with grenache.  Actually the grenache blends of these wineries are my favorite wines these producers make. 
D'Arenberg's Ironstone Pressings is awesome, and just gets better with age.

Of course, if you really want to explore new world grenache, you've got to find some Noon Eclipse.  That's a crazy wine.  I start doing a Homer Donut zone out when I think of Noon.

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/16/2008 10:01:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Herman Story Grenache Larner Vineyard 2005, tremendous stuff.  Huge fruit but impeccably balanced.

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/16/2008 4:24:23 PM   
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Status: online 		I can second the Herman Story and the McPrice Myers.  Both use Larner Vineyard fruit ..... hmmm

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RE: Grenache-based wines from the new world - 7/16/2008 11:54:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have always been rather impressed by Tablas Creek's Esprit de Beaucastel Rouge - of course, while made in Paso Robles, it is still made by Beaucastel.

From Australia, I rather like Torbreck's The Steading as well, although some vintages get too sticky and sweet for me.

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