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Kirwan - 6/22/2008 4:56:43 PM   
Doryman

 

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Hi Folks:

Does anyone have experience with Chateau Kirwan, Margaux? I am relatively new to the passion, and am considering collecting a Kirwan vertical. The first growths are beyond my reach, and I am trying to find some age-worthy wines that are accessible every year and that can age for 15+ years.

I would be especially interested in the Colonel's view.

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Doryman

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RE: Kirwan - 6/23/2008 1:56:16 AM   
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You flatter me, I am afraid my expertise, such as it is, is in researching, collecting and then subsidising my drinking by selling some of my appreciating assets.
I can share my knowledge though.
You've chosen an ideal candidate for your vertical - I assume you've seen the film Mondovino?
The controversy began around the time of the 2000 vintage which recieved sound reviews, but received these comments from respected UK wine critic Michael Broadbent:
"Virtually opaque; rich, brambly fruit, distinct vanillin as it opened up""Rich, chocolatey, a touch of coarseness on the palate, plenty of new oak"
"A Michel Rolland- inspired renaissance.
Is it still Margaux though?"

He gave it 4/5 stars which is good, but the sting was in the tail (my highlighting), although it seems a fair question.
 
Let me jump ahead to the 2005 vintage which had these comments reported from the Chateau:
Probably the last Rolland assisted Kirwan as he 'resigns' from a number of Bordeaux consultancies.
Nathalie Schÿler, general manager of Kirwan confirmed Rolland had left and that 2005 would be his last vintage. Winemaking would continue under his protégé Athanase Fakorellis, who 'follows the same winemaking philosophy'.
She also said that any suggestion that consultant Stephane Derenoncourt would be taking over from Rolland at the third-growth Margaux chateau was entirely false. La Revue du Vin de France was 'misleading' in mentioning Derenoncourt's name in association with Kirwan, she said.
Rolland's leaving Kirwan is the subject of intense interest, not least because in 2004, in the polemic film Mondovino, veteran critic Michael Broadbent criticised the wine for tasting more like a Merlot-dominated Pomerol than a Margaux under Rolland's stewardship.
Schÿler said that she had no criticism of Rolland's style, and that he is 'a great friend who has taught us much in winemaking', but she hinted that his departure would be an opportunity to bring the wine back to a style that was more recognisably Margaux.
'We feel that we have a great Margaux terroir and that the wine needs to be identified as a high quality Margaux.'

So the stage is set - we have the "traditionalists" claiming that Rolland et.al. are destroying the essence of the wine by concocting (essentially) wines that R.Parker and others will score highly.
 
As if to illustrate the point this is Parker on or around the 2005 vintage:
Kudos to Sophie Schyler, the charming proprietress who gave such a graceful performance while under attack in the disingenuous movie Mondovino
The greatest Kirwan made since some of the estate’s historic offerings of the mid-1800s  (how does he know this stuff!)
Inky/black/purple color
Incense, creme de cassis, licorice, and subtle wood.
Rich, full bodied, layers of concentration, high glycerin as well as tannin.
60-second finish.
93-95+pts
He'd clearly nailed his colours to the mast, along with a less locquacious, but very positive James Suckling (they do frequently agree):
Mineral, lead pencil and berry aromas
Full-bodied, silky and refined
Compact and tight, with lovely structure
Long finish
92-94 pts
You'll note the points of similarity.
But then we get the Evil Witch of the East (I don't think Parker actually said that) - Jancis Robinson:
Very exotic, sweetly floral notes - not the purest.
Strength of tannins deadens the fruit and the finish
A bit furry and over the top
For sipping not drinking.
15.5 pts
And Farr agree:
Michel Rolland advises here and the style tends to be more international than typically Margaux. In 2005 we were impressed by the modern fruit extraction but it is not overdone. Solid, with dark fruit intensity on the nose, powdery tannins. Coffee and chocolate, with a big finish.
15pts Farr Vintners April 2006

So it's the Pavie battle lines again - not quite a war of Independence (from Parker) - the US vs The Brits.
Which means you can have great fun seeing who's right (I always disagree with both) http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=17747
Go back before 2000 and make sure you get 2005 (I have just those two vintages): when it's out 2006 is a must too.
 

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RE: Kirwan - 6/24/2008 3:51:43 PM   
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Colonel:

Thanks very much for the reply - very insightful and helpful!

Cheers

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RE: Kirwan - 6/24/2008 10:21:08 PM   
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The Colonel said it all, so I will just add that (i) I like Kirwan very much, and (ii) have had every vintage from 1998 to 2004, and (iii) I think it delivers.

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RE: Kirwan - 6/25/2008 3:24:01 AM   
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But we’ve only just scratched the terroir.  Given the dispute over how typical Kirwan is of Margaux we need to study the other wines.  This will start you off (there are never easy answers to wine questions, which is great!)
The soil of Margaux is the thinnest in the Medoc, with the highest proportion of rough gravel.  It has the least to offer the vine in terms of nourishment, but it drains well, even in rainy years.
Great Years
Supple, delicate with a sweet haunting perfume;  the most exquisite claret of all.
Poor Years
Tendency  to thinness 
Some better known Chateaux
Margaux 1st unique finesse and subtlety in great years.
http://www.thewinedoctor.com/tastingsprofile/margaux.shtml
www.chateau-margaux.com
Palmer  (absorbed Chateau Desmirail) third growth but can match and occasionally even surpass Chateau Margaux.  Pretty universally seen as the number two wine in Margaux.
http://www.thewinedoctor.com/bordeaux/palmer.shtml
Lascombe highly rated, especially by Parker in recent years
Malescot-St-Exupery, adjacent to Chateau Margaux, often miraculously scented.
But there is no one Margaux style, individual wines can vary enormously – Brane-Cantenac smooth; Durfort-Vivens tough.
Margaux – 1855 Categorisation (with modifications)
Premiers Crus:

Ch. Margaux
Deuxièmes Crus:

Ch. Brane Cantenac
Ch. Durfort Vivens
Ch. Lascombes
Ch. Rauzan-Gassies
Ch. Rauzan-Ségla
Troisièmes Crus:

Ch. Boyd-Cantenac
Ch. Cantenac-Brown
Ch. Desmirail
Ch. Ferrière
Ch. Giscours
Ch. d'Issan
Ch. Kirwan
Ch. Malescot St-Exupéry
Ch. Marq. d'Alesme-Becker
Ch. Palmer
Quatrièmes Crus:

Ch. Marquis de Terme
Ch. Pouget
Ch. Prieuré-Lichine
Cinquièmes Crus:

Ch. Dauzac
Ch. du Tertre
Cru Bourgeois:

Ch. d'Angludet
Ch. Labégorce
Ch. Labégorce-Zédé
Ch. Siran
The majority of these comments are sourced from
 Hugh Johnson’s outstanding - The World Atlas of Wine.
The first Wine Book I ever studied, I would sit with the page open on the map which showed where the wine I was drinking came from (including contour lines)
Also with links to the invaluable resource http://www.thewinedoctor.com

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