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Livin' Large... - 9/28/2008 9:22:30 PM   
Hollowine

 

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Status: offline 		So it's pretty well established that wines will age a bit slower in Large format bottles than in the 750ml counterparts. I was pondering some of my recent buying strategy and was curious how many people seek out and purchase magnums or larger for their cellar as a general buying strategy? Have you purchased much in sizes greater than Magnum? How much over the 750 multiple are you willing to pay for larger size? (ie 750=$50, 1.5L=$110)

The largest I have is a 3.0L, but I have probably 20 or so Magnums, mostly Bordeaux and Washington Cab's.
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RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 1:48:34 AM   
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2004 Château Margaux (France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux)  6L



1996 Château Haut-Brion (France, Bordeaux, Graves, Pessac-Léognan)  3L



1993 Château Lafite Rothschild (France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac)  1.5L



1998 Les Tourelles de Longueville (France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac)  1.5L



2001 M. Chapoutier Côte-Rôtie La Mordorée (France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie)  1.5L



1999 Le Jardin de Petit Village (France, Bordeaux, Libournais, Pomerol)  1.5L



2004 Château Pichon-Longueville Baron (France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac)  1.5L



2004 Quinta do Vale Dona Maria Douro (Portugal, Douro)  1.5L



1990 Château Angélus (France, Bordeaux, Libournais, St. Émilion Grand Cru)  1.5L



2000 Château Margaux (France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux)  1.5L



2003 Château Léoville Barton (France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien)  1.5L





That's my range of bigger sizes.
I suspect most people (99.9%) don't have a problem with their wine aging faster than they can drink it.
And as half a bottle really leaves you drinking alone (well with me it would) then larger (and smaller sizes) are really a novelty.
They can fetch a little more if you sell them, but it is a small premium.  They generally cost a little more to buy.
I suspect it will stay a novelty section of the business.
75cl is a decent size, enough to share with one (two if you're pushed) and ages rather well.
I ended up with mine really by chance - some bargains, some too interesting to miss.
Maybe in 2020 when my Margaux 2004 will be perfect the CT Party will be in Southern England?
L.

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RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 6:29:17 AM   
tacman

 

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Status: offline 		I have probably 100 magnums, including many Rhones, California cabs, and Champagnes.
I host dinner parties (10-12 people) every couple of months, and we seem to get through a couple each time.
I find most cost 2.2 - 2.5 times the cost of a 750 bottle.

I have a few 3l, 5l, and 6l bottles that I have picked up at charity auctions ... guess those will be for big parties.

Never underestimate the party value of a magnum of Champagne!!

TC

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RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 6:34:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		From PA Wine & Spirits...........I think this 1.5L is at a slight premium!!










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RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 6:49:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		2000 Château Léoville Barton
2000 Château Léoville Las Cases
2000 Paolo Scavino Barolo Bric dël Fiasc
 
All magnums, all bought as it's our wedding year with the intention of opening for anniversary dinners.
 
1999 Dominus Estate 3L
 
Was a gift on our daughters birth and could be good for her 18th (or 15th) birthday.

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RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 6:54:34 AM   
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Status: online 		I have a magnum of 2001 Gloria St Julien - a friend of the family gave it to me because they thought it would be "old plonk that probably tastes like vinegar now"

I didn't have the heart to tell them that wine keeps for more than 1 year.

I also have a 6L bottle of some utterly vile plonk that someone bought for my wedding.  I had a 75cl bottle of the stuff and I was amazed it didn't melt the glass.  I think it is from CDP.  What the f*ck I am going to do with 6L of the stuff I have no idea.  I might run my car on it.

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RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 7:14:37 AM   
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RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 7:18:39 AM   
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RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 7:30:51 AM   
J2K

 

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Status: offline 		I like buying magnums and 3.0L but we just don't have much opportunity to buy them in PA. If they are available they are usually at a bargain.

2003 Flora Springs Trilogy
750ml  $ 46
3L  $ 100

2003 Hogue Cellars Cabernet Sauvignon Genesis
750ml $ 13
1.5L $ 14

I do find a few where the magnum is just a few bucks higher then the 750ml x 2 (except for the Screagle of course)


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RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 9:59:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wines not only age more slowly in larger formats, they also age differently.  Thats why I enjoy doing a format "vertical" tasting- same wine, same year, different bottle sizes.  I find that I prefer the larger formats, especially when with a large group.  I almost always buy the large ones when ever available. I don't have any 12 litres yet, but that doesn't mean I'm not looking

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RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 10:12:56 AM   
J2K

 

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At present, there are primarily thirteen different shapes and sizes of bottles used for wines:

  • 375mL - A "Half Bottle", "Split", or "Tenth", equivalent to about 1.5 glasses of wine.
  • 750mL - A "Normal" or "Standard" bottle size.
  • 1.5L - A "Magnum", twice the site of a standard.
  • 2.25L - A "Marie-Jeane", equal to three regular bottles.
  • 3.0L - A "Double Magnum", equal to four regular bottles.
  • 3.0L - A "Jeroboam", equal to four regular bottles, and used for sparkling wine.
  • 4.5L - A Jeroboam, equal to six regular bottles, and used for storing red wine. In Bordeaux, red wine Jeroboams can hold 5.0L.
  • 4.5L - A "Rehoboam", equal to six regular bottles, and used for storing red wine.
  • 6.0L - A "Methuselah", Burgundy-shaped, equal to eight regular bottles.
  • 6.0L - An "Imperial", Bordeaux-shaped, equal to eight regular bottles.
  • 9.0L - A "Salmanazar", equal to 12 regular bottles (or one case).
  • 12.0L - A "Balthazar", equal to 16 bottles, usually used for sparkling wines.
  • 15.0L - A "Nebuchadnezzar", equal to 20 regular bottles (or 100 glasses of wine), usually used for sparkling wines.
    Pictured at right is a 6-liter, Burgundy-shaped Methuselah bottle. Note the standard 750mL bottle behind it.



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    RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 1:12:59 PM   
    Blue Shorts

     

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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: J2K

    From http://www.oregonwines.com/article.php?ArticleID=69

    At present, there are primarily thirteen different shapes and sizes of bottles used for wines:
  • 375mL - A "Half Bottle", "Split", or "Tenth", equivalent to about 1.5 glasses of wine.

  • 15.0L - A "Nebuchadnezzar", equal to 20 regular bottles (or 100 glasses of wine), usually used for sparkling wines.


    • That site has a measurement issue.  The 375 is listed as 1.5 glasses of wine, which assumes an 8 ounce glass.  The 15L is listed at 100 glasses which would be slightly less than 5 ounces per glass.

    I think that I'll drink with the one pouring from the 375s 

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    RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 1:27:07 PM   
    Maestro

     

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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: pjaines
    I also have a 6L bottle of some utterly vile plonk that someone bought for my wedding.  I had a 75cl bottle of the stuff and I was amazed it didn't melt the glass.  I think it is from CDP.  What the f*ck I am going to do with 6L of the stuff I have no idea.  I might run my car on it.


    I am curious as to what this wine actually is... I've never come across a CdP that was that vile...

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    RE: Livin' Large... - 9/29/2008 5:59:41 PM   
    Wrighty

     

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    Status: offline     		Heard a story at the weekend where someone had agreed a corckage fee on champagne for their wedding of I think GBP5 a bottle and turned up with 6L bottles.  Kept the corkage down but bet the waiters weren't too happy!

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    RE: Livin' Large... - 9/30/2008 12:12:21 AM   
    pjaines

     

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    Status: online     		Wrighty - that is a great story.  Laughed my ass off when I heard that.

    Maestro - as for the CdP - I have no idea - this guy who makes it is literally a vingernon (small producer) who makes a hand full of bottles per year.  If I could remember the name I would tell you so that you never make the mistake of buying it.

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    RE: Livin' Large... - 9/30/2008 10:09:22 AM   
    PSirah Tampa

     

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    RE: Livin' Large... - 9/30/2008 11:44:00 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Wrighty

    Heard a story at the weekend where someone had agreed a corckage fee on champagne for their wedding of I think GBP5 a bottle and turned up with 6L bottles.  Kept the corkage down but bet the waiters weren't too happy!


    Luckily our caterer didn't require us to pay corkage and we brought in 8 cases of wine.  Otherwise, that is a genius idea.


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    RE: Livin' Large... - 10/1/2008 4:02:40 PM   
    Hollowine

     

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    Status: offline     		Excellent comments everyone, even got a few ideas out of it with regard to getting around corkage for my daughter's future special days.

    That and a case of bottle envy, never knew Colonel L was packing around a 6L, I just thought he was happy to see us!

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    RE: Livin' Large... - 10/2/2008 3:48:41 AM   
    Colonel Lawrence

     

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    RE: Livin' Large... - 10/3/2008 6:58:15 AM   
    Hollowine

     

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    Status: offline     		Was always told I should watch it, but never found the means. I do like most of the Brit humor so I'm sure I would enjoy it greatly.

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    RE: Livin' Large... - 10/3/2008 8:12:34 AM   
    Wrighty

     

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmqbO-lY0LM


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    RE: Livin' Large... - 10/5/2008 4:03:24 AM   
    mgagne

     

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    Status: offline     		In my son's Guinness World Records 2009 edition (in 3D no less) is the latest entry in the largest bottle of wine club. A 2005 Shiraz from Plantagenet Wines (AUS). From the picture it appears to be named Five Virtues, and holds 290 liters! Thats a lot of plonk! It is NOT in the CT database.

    I also found in the on-line version the smallest bottle, holds 0.75 mL. Including a 1978 Richbourg for 90 smackers.

    http://www.etropolis.com/mini/klein/index.htm

    Hope all is well!



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    RE: Livin' Large... - 10/5/2008 4:34:21 AM   
    Colonel Lawrence

     

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    RE: Livin' Large... - 10/5/2008 8:04:33 AM   
    Hollowine

     

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    ORIGINAL: mgagne


    I also found in the on-line version the smallest bottle, holds 0.75 mL. Including a 1978 Richbourg for 90 smackers.

    http://www.etropolis.com/mini/klein/index.htm




    That is about the dumbest thing I think I've ever seen in the Wide, Wide, World of Wine. Though I'm sure Paul in London would want to forward it to his Client Exec that is quaffing '05 Bordeaux's like tap water, he probably needs something new to show off with...

    Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw "Nice Hummer...sorry about your Penis"

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    RE: Livin' Large... - 10/6/2008 4:11:11 AM   
    stephori

     

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    Status: offline     		I've got two 3L bottles of champagne
    Pommery 83 (180€)
    Pommery 89 (140€)
    Very good deal isn'it !!!
    Will open the 83 for my girlfriend 25th bithday.

    Think you forget some bigger bottles produced by champagne Drappier
    Salomon 18L
    Primat 27L
    Melchizedech 30L
    The cost of an empty jeroboam of champagne is 7,5€, around 50€ for a nabu. (because it's very difficult to make)


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    RE: Livin' Large... - 10/6/2008 4:15:13 AM   
    pjaines

     

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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Hollowine


    Though I'm sure Paul in London would want to forward it to his Client Exec that is quaffing '05 Bordeaux's like tap water, he probably needs something new to show off with...




    It has been done - and even he scoffed at that.  Which shows just HOW stupid these small bottles are.

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