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Parker in Asia, A Different Slant on Things - 7/10/2008 7:06:05 PM

Mtracy

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First let me say, yes, I agree I ought to post this on Squires BB, but I became (in my own mind maybe) persona non grata after being quite satirical about some posts by a "made" poster, so I don't post there anymore (and I'm sure readership is up as a result). Having said that, did anyone read Parker's stuff on his Asia trip? Wow, was he enthusiastic. Two sippie cups up for sure. He waxed on and on about the service, the the politeness, the cleanliness, the beauty, and the tranquility of the place. He went on to make the point that what he expereinced was in no way what he had expected based on what others had told him about China.

Here's the point. Bob, they closed a friggin 5 star restaurant for a whole nite just to accomodate your presence (I think it was the Great Wall dinner) Anyway, I'm not contradicting what he said, but just offering up the point that maybe he was treated a bit differently from those who had spoke to him about their expereince.

But all in all, a great job and it made me want to book the Parker tour too (Left a message with travel agent to price it out for me. I'll let you know the quote. Maybe I can get a quantity discount).

Question: There were two wines which he rated 100 points for the first time. A 2003 Run Rig and a 2003 Taylor Vintage Port. These had been rated 99 and 98 in bottle tastings. Does this mean that these wines are now 100 point wines? I mean if I had some 2003 Run Rig, could I list it for sale on Winebid.com as a 100 pt Parker wine (Please say yes).

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RE: Parker in Asia, A Different Slant on Things - 7/10/2008 7:55:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mtracy

Question: There were two wines which he rated 100 points for the first time. A 2003 Run Rig and a 2003 Taylor Vintage Port. These had been rated 99 and 98 in bottle tastings. Does this mean that these wines are now 100 point wines? I mean if I had some 2003 Run Rig, could I list it for sale on Winebid.com as a 100 pt Parker wine (Please say yes).

You may try, but these were Hedonist's Gazzete scores and hence not usually taken as "official" by the market (if you look these wines up on eBob you still get 99 and 98+, not 100. You need to find the correct HG event to see the 100 score).

So we can't be sure whether the liquid inside your bottles has fully undergone the mystical transformation and magical illumination that happens when Parker finally give a wine a 3-digit score.

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RE: Parker in Asia, A Different Slant on Things - 7/10/2008 8:50:43 PM

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they closed a friggin 5 star restaurant for a whole nite just to accomodate your presence

That happens to me all the time. I get so sick of that. Just because I'm some big hot shot tax preparer from Portland, Oregon everyone always wants to roll out the red carpet and shower me in affections just for gracing their humble establishments with my presence. Sigh...so tiring.

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RE: Parker in Asia, A Different Slant on Things - 7/10/2008 9:18:12 PM

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You may try, but these were Hedonist's Gazzete scores and hence not usually taken as "official" by the market (if you look these wines up on eBob you still get 99 and 98+, not 100. You need to find the correct HG event to see the 100 score).

This is good information. So I wonder then; Parker commented on his 2005 First Growth Bdx scores in April that the many 98+ or 96+ scores means the wine will likely score higher with time. When do those later tastins take place? I was told by someone that as RP tastes these over the years in HG type settings, he revises scores if the wine earns it.

Somehow I think I might trust the CT community tasting the wine every couple of weeks as a better measure of how the wine is evolving as opposed to waiting years for RP to taste the wine again.

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RE: Parker in Asia, A Different Slant on Things - 7/10/2008 9:44:13 PM

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You may try, but these were Hedonist's Gazzete scores and hence not usually taken as "official" by the market (if you look these wines up on eBob you still get 99 and 98+, not 100. You need to find the correct HG event to see the 100 score).

This is good information. So I wonder then; Parker commented on his 2005 First Growth Bdx scores in April that the many 98+ or 96+ scores means the wine will likely score higher with time. When do those later tastins take place? I was told by someone that as RP tastes these over the years in HG type settings, he revises scores if the wine earns it.

Somehow I think I might trust the CT community tasting the wine every couple of weeks as a better measure of how the wine is evolving as opposed to waiting years for RP to taste the wine again.

Riddle me this. Have you EVER seen Robert P admit that he was wrong...... EVER? Anyone that's right 100% of the time is either lying, deluded, or both. I'll offer apologies if I'm wrong, but I am never wrong... bwahahahahaha

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RE: Parker in Asia, A Different Slant on Things - 7/10/2008 10:22:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Blue Shorts

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ORIGINAL: Mtracy

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You may try, but these were Hedonist's Gazzete scores and hence not usually taken as "official" by the market (if you look these wines up on eBob you still get 99 and 98+, not 100. You need to find the correct HG event to see the 100 score).

This is good information. So I wonder then; Parker commented on his 2005 First Growth Bdx scores in April that the many 98+ or 96+ scores means the wine will likely score higher with time. When do those later tastins take place? I was told by someone that as RP tastes these over the years in HG type settings, he revises scores if the wine earns it.

Somehow I think I might trust the CT community tasting the wine every couple of weeks as a better measure of how the wine is evolving as opposed to waiting years for RP to taste the wine again.

Riddle me this. Have you EVER seen Robert P admit that he was wrong...... EVER? Anyone that's right 100% of the time is either lying, deluded, or both. I'll offer apologies if I'm wrong, but I am never wrong... bwahahahahaha

I did see him apologise. Usually as a part of court settlement.
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RE: Parker in Asia, A Different Slant on Things - 7/10/2008 10:45:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Blue Shorts

Riddle me this. Have you EVER seen Robert P admit that he was wrong...... EVER? Anyone that's right 100% of the time is either lying, deluded, or both. I'll offer apologies if I'm wrong, but I am never wrong... bwahahahahaha

I am not a Parkerite at all but, to be fair to the guy, the answer is yes, many times.

I have seen him many times come forth and state that he had underrated a wine. In his site itself you can see the evolution of wine tastings and some scores vary a lot over time and ocasionally come with apologies. A famous case is his open acknowledgement that he underrated the 1981 Cheval Blanc by 5-6 points in the original tasting.

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RE: Parker in Asia, A Different Slant on Things - 7/11/2008 8:59:07 AM

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I have seen him many times come forth and state that he had underrated a wine. In his site itself you can see the evolution of wine tastings and some scores vary a lot over time and ocasionally come with apologies. A famous case is his open acknowledgement that he underrated the 1981 Cheval Blanc by 5-6 points in the original tasting.

Wasn't that the famous case where the owner's little dog sexually assulted RP's leg?

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RE: Parker in Asia, A Different Slant on Things - 7/11/2008 9:37:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mtracy

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I have seen him many times come forth and state that he had underrated a wine. In his site itself you can see the evolution of wine tastings and some scores vary a lot over time and ocasionally come with apologies. A famous case is his open acknowledgement that he underrated the 1981 Cheval Blanc by 5-6 points in the original tasting.

Wasn't that the famous case where the owner's little dog sexually assulted RP's leg?

yeap!
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RE: Parker in Asia, A Different Slant on Things - 7/11/2008 12:14:02 PM

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Answer to my Question:

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The abbreviated, spontaneous, and visceral tasting notes and numerical ratings in this section should not be confused with professional, structured tasting notes from specific peer group tastings or cellar tastings. The Hedonist's Gazette notes emerge from casual get-togethers, with the food and company every bit as important as the wines. I do not consider these tasting comments as accurate or as pure in a professional sense, but they are part of a wine's overall record. In short, focus, so critical in a professional tasting without food or other distractions, is clearly on a different level in such "fun gatherings." —Robert M. Parker, Jr.

So, I think he is saying scores from the Hedonist's Gazette should be considered approximate evaluations of the wine's quality or maybe that the professional score would fall within a range of a point or two of the HG score. So, if he gives the 2003 Torbreck Run Rig 100 points, it's is likely a say 98 to 102 point wine.

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