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Pavie now makes.... - 7/28/2008 3:22:16 PM   
Serge Birbrair

 

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Rose! Who could have thought?

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 7/29/2008 2:24:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why make rose?  What were they thinking?  Even PP wont be buying that will she?

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 7/30/2008 2:03:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've never understood the need for great "Red" châteaux to produce rosé or even white wines. They're never as good as their red (relatively) and they just take up space or grapes that would otherwise be used for great reds.

And it's not like they're betting on two horses as they do in Graves, where white grapes makes up 20+% of the planted area, and where a poor red vintage can be "saved" by a good white. Pavillon Blanc is made in minute quantities and is never as renowned as even Pavillon Rouge. A danish wine journalist once called white Haut Brion for "one of the Loch Ness monsters of the wine world". Everybody had heard of it, but few had actually seen it.

Now, I could understand it, if it was a professional pride thingy, where the wine-maker enjoys the challenge of producing other types of wine, which is then consumed at the Château, like the Hermitaged Château Palmer we heard so much about about a year ago (Which I would like to taste, unlike the different rosés).

When I have to pay through my nose for a Margaux, I would ALWAYS go for the big red, rather than the mediocre white or rosé, which other producers make cheaper and better, because it's their focus. After all, I'm sure that Margaux (or St. Emilion) is known for its reds for a reason.

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 7/30/2008 2:16:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Spot on there NW.  My rule of thumb "Never ever ever ever spend more than £5 on a rose". 

Rose is the summer drink that should be drunk nice and cold and not mused over too much - you are not looking for complexity or subtle flavours   - with rose most people look for zingy freshness.

I guess the chateaux have done their maths but unless they cost under £5 I am not interested.

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 7/30/2008 2:56:59 AM   
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My rule of thumb "Never ever ever ever spend more than £5 on a rose". 



Hmmmm... In general I agree, but.... then you have the Rosé wines of the Bandol.

This one for example is worth swimming through Shark-infested waters. And well worth the $35.

In other regions I might agree... But some of the Bandol wines are in a class of their own when it comes to Rosé.

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 7/30/2008 3:00:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maestro, you are not the first person to mention Bandol rose to me in such exhalted terms.  I may need to re-adjust my perception.  Mind you, for $35 it better be f****g good.

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 7/30/2008 9:27:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maestro is correct.  Bandol Rosé is fantastic and Tempier is pretty much at the top of that food chain.

I am not surprised that Pavie, and most other producers in Bordeaux, make rosé.  For the most part they probably just bottle up the crap that spilled on the floor and didn't have full color extracted. 

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 7/30/2008 2:01:08 PM   
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Status: online 		Haut Brion Blanc is actually pretty darned interesting...

As for Rose from Bordeaux, I have to confess ignorance--I tend to head south to Provence and the Rhone for my Rose.


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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 7/31/2008 1:13:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Billecart Salmon make pretty good rosé champagne....

Tempier rosé is nice (but I've seen it a LOT cheaper than $35, and had other Bandols just as good).

Rosé de Provence is not always the rubbish it used to be a few years ago, if you are not willing to pay more than $5 you will be drinking bubble gum for ever and you will be missing out. It's trendy stuff  right now, get with the program!

There's some pretty good rosé from the Rhộne and the Gard, also..... 

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 7/31/2008 1:27:56 PM   
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I've never understood the need for great "Red" châteaux to produce rosé or even white wines. They're never as good as their red (relatively) and they just take up space or grapes that would otherwise be used for great reds.


See Saignee.

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 7/31/2008 2:34:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WK Choy


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ORIGINAL: nwinther

I've never understood the need for great "Red" châteaux to produce rosé or even white wines. They're never as good as their red (relatively) and they just take up space or grapes that would otherwise be used for great reds.


See Saignee.


Very interesting!  Thanks for that tidbit of research!
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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 8/1/2008 10:20:44 AM   
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Spot on there NW.  My rule of thumb "Never ever ever ever spend more than £5 on a rose". 

Rose is the summer drink that should be drunk nice and cold and not mused over too much - you are not looking for complexity or subtle flavours   - with rose most people look for zingy freshness.

I guess the chateaux have done their maths but unless they cost under £5 I am not interested.


Well, I just steer clear of Rosé. If I need something cool on a hos summer day, I drink white, as it's always better, cheaper (relatively) and more attainable.

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 8/1/2008 10:23:21 AM   
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Haut Brion Blanc is actually pretty darned interesting...



Oh, I'm sure. But that doesn't change its lack of availability, nor its high price. However, it was just an allegory (I think that's the right term) of the rare "exotic" white pomerols, st. emilions etc.

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RE: Pavie now makes.... - 8/1/2008 10:28:46 AM   
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I've never understood the need for great "Red" châteaux to produce rosé or even white wines. They're never as good as their red (relatively) and they just take up space or grapes that would otherwise be used for great reds.


See Saignee.


Interesting indeed. A clever way of making more wine without producing a poor primary wine (ideally). Question is, then, if it's actually an interesting wine. However, I never drink Rosé, so I'll probably never find out.

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