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Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 6/23/2008 8:14:16 PM   
WineGym

 

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Status: offline 		Some Regions are not listed for Pennsylvania.
I placed them in the Designation Field as instructed on a previous occasion

http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=538128

http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=538163

http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=538142

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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 6/26/2008 5:36:28 PM   
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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 6/30/2008 6:51:37 PM   
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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 6/30/2008 10:42:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, I've just been really busy. I added the first. For the second, it was already there. And for the third, I am confused, is one a SubRegion and the other an appellation? Or is it two appellations?


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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 7/1/2008 7:59:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Eric,

Thanks.

The second wine is outside of Lancaster Valley AVA but is in the Lower Susquehanna Subregion.  Lancaster Valley is the smaller appellation.

The third wine is in Subregion Lehigh Valley & Berks County, but they are also two appellations.  This wine is in the Lehigh Valley appellation.


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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 7/11/2008 10:30:08 AM   
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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 7/11/2008 12:05:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		The verdict is that I have been crazy busy and haven't had 5 spare minutes to tease out exactly what you want and all of the wines that are affected. It is very rare that we would put multi-appellations into the Appelation field--just a larger region...

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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 7/12/2008 10:02:22 PM   
WineGym

 

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Status: offline 		Pennsylvania was confusing to me at first and I did a lot of research to figure things out in regards to appellations.

It was not easy.  I wound up purchasing the Wine Bible and the Wine Atlas to see where each appellation lies within the regions stated on the websites I found on the Internet.

This link will show the Regions for Pennsylania
http://www.pennsylvaniawine.com/Wineries.aspx

The Lehigh Valley AVA crosses over to New Jersey (there are three counties in PA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lehighvalleymap.png

Berks County is right next to the Lehigh Valley AVA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_Pennsylvania_highlighting_Berks_County.svg

The larger region is "Lehigh Valley & Berks County" which also list three wineries to the north that are not even in the region

The Lancaster Valley AVA is within the Lower Susquehanna Region and is only in Lancaster and Chester Counties
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr;sid=bff700d0bbb2a632948b70fe7e91d7d4;rgn=div5;view=text;node=27%3A1.0.1.1.7;idno=27;cc=ecfr#27:1.0.1.1.7.3.41.21

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_Pennsylvania_highlighting_Lancaster_County.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_Pennsylvania_highlighting_Chester_County.svg

The Central Delaware Valley AVA crosses into New Jersey as well (not to be confused with the Delaware Valley which is much larger and includes Maryland and Delaware, but not listed as a wine region)
This appellation is within the Philadelphia Countryside Region.  NOTE : This appellation continues farther North that the Regions Boundaries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Delaware_Valley_AVA

The Cumberland Valley AVA (ironically there are no wineries listed in this appellation) This appellation does not cross any of the above regions, although Lower Susquehanna is very close
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumberland_Valley

The rest of the PA regions are more straight forward.  Thank goodness!

Hope this helps.









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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 7/15/2008 8:21:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WineGym

Pennsylvania was confusing to me at first and I did a lot of research to figure things out in regards to appellations.

It was not easy.  I wound up purchasing the Wine Bible and the Wine Atlas to see where each appellation lies within the regions stated on the websites I found on the Internet.

This link will show the Regions for Pennsylania
http://www.pennsylvaniawine.com/Wineries.aspx

The Lehigh Valley AVA crosses over to New Jersey (there are three counties in PA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lehighvalleymap.png

Berks County is right next to the Lehigh Valley AVA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_Pennsylvania_highlighting_Berks_County.svg


The larger region is "Lehigh Valley & Berks County" which also list three wineries to the north that are not even in the region


This is not quite correct. The Lehigh Valley AVA lies entirely withing Pennsylvania. Portions of six counties -- Lehigh, Northampton, Berks, Schuylkill, Carbon and Monroe -- are included.

Full and official description of the Lehigh Valley AVA can be found here.

The Lehigh Valley -- that is, the area of land drained by the Lehigh River, and pictured in the map linked above -- does include a small part of New Jersey. That's the geographic area however and not the AVA.

With the AVA in place, that larger sub-region should probably be ignored since it would suggest that a Berks County wine wouldn't be in the Lehigh Valley appellation. That would make a proper taxonomy "Country, Region, Appellation" in this case:

United States, Pennsylvania, Lehigh Valley

Wineries are already labeling their wines with the new AVA so I hope you can get it in the database quickly.

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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 7/24/2008 5:02:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that the Lehigh Valley AVA itself does not go into New Jersey.  I don't know if I would ignore the subregion since it includes wineries outside the AVA.  However, I would be happy to see at least the AVA listed as an Appellation.

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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 7/27/2008 8:33:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		The link below shows how I categorize my wines for Pennsylvania in my own database.
http://www.cellartracker.com/ow.asp?Appellations%20of%20Pennsylvania



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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 7/28/2008 7:52:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Touching base.   It's been over a month since I originally posted this request.

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RE: Pennsylvania Regions not listed - 8/1/2008 11:24:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, I took a stab. These multi-county subregions don't seem right--I would just prefer to put the AVA in the appellation with Pennsylvania as the Region.

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