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Showing Cellars
I show my cellar already
  87% (41)
I'd show my cellar if quantities could be hidden
  4% (2)
There is no way I'd show my cellar
  4% (2)
Don't Know
  4% (2)


Total Votes : 47
(last vote on : 4/7/2008 2:48:39 PM)
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Showing Cellars - 3/8/2008 4:12:58 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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From: Arabia
Status: offline 		We've been having a discusion on the desirability of making individual cellars public.
There seems a pretty widespread view that this adds to the CT experience.
Some people keep them private because they want an option to eliminate quantities while showing the wines.
What's your view?

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/8/2008 7:12:49 AM   
Maestro

 

Posts: 521
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Status: offline 		Although I voted "I show my cellar already", I agree that we have no business looking at each other's quantities, so I support Colonel's view of supressing that.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/8/2008 7:33:48 AM   
JohnNezlek

 

Posts: 208
Joined: 12/14/2006
From: Gloucester, Virginia
Status: offline 		Dear All,

First, I don't know what the big deal is (one or another) about showing/hiding one's cellar. I don't know about you, but I have enough trouble keeping my own house in order -- I really don't have the time (nor the interest) to look at someone else's cellar. I very much appreciate our colleagues' comments and their posting of how much they paid for a wine, but their cellar in toto?

Cheers,

John


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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/8/2008 7:40:09 AM   
Kazappa

 

Posts: 7
Joined: 3/8/2008
Status: offline 		Is there a benefit to not showing ones' cellar?  Or is it a sense of security? 

Personally, I like to see if members are holding a certain wine.  If some members have substantial quantities, I would be more apt to consider their tasting notes in considering if it was something I might be interested in trying.  Also, if a large number of our members are holding the bottle, I might seek it out to try as well.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/8/2008 7:43:17 AM   
JohnNezlek

 

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From: Gloucester, Virginia
Status: offline 		Fair enough. To me, the tasting notes are key, but if others want to use a more complex decision model, I am happy to help.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/8/2008 8:55:48 AM   
fingers

 

Posts: 682
Joined: 8/26/2006
From: Santa Ana, CA
Status: offline 		Although I don't use it frequently, I find the ability to browse other collections the most beneficial feature aside from tasting notes.  I don't care that much about the bottle count, but do appreciate the overall perspective of the percentage of each bottle to the whole cellar.  That gives a better feel of how people are building up the cellars and what their tastes lean towards.  I don't know why anyone would need to be so protective when we're all just screen names to each other.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/8/2008 10:49:08 AM   
NiklasW

 

Posts: 435
Joined: 10/13/2007
From: Finland
Status: offline 		I'll agree with that. Like I said in another thread, I've enjoyed looking into other people's cellars when they have written a positive TN for a wine I like or have, just to get ideas of what else I might like to try out.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/8/2008 12:42:00 PM   
rjonas

 

Posts: 147
Joined: 11/5/2006
From: Newcastle, WA
Status: offline 		Would agree..  I am generally more interested in what varietals, producers and regions CT users are collecting versus bottle count... A higher bottle count of a particular wine to me simply says that the particular CT user has an affinity for a particular wine, which may pique my interest in collecting it myself but as JohnNezlek says, I don't have the time to do much else aside from keeping my own cellar in order...

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/9/2008 10:07:53 AM   
knarf

 

Posts: 19
Joined: 12/21/2007
Status: offline 		I don't get the issue about showing your cellar or the quantities. What is the problem?

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Post #: 9
RE: Showing Cellars - 3/9/2008 10:23:13 PM   
BBennett

 

Posts: 3
Joined: 3/9/2008
Status: offline 		I would like to have the opportunity to share info with folks who have similar wines to me. 

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/10/2008 2:10:55 PM   
jamscreator

 

Posts: 313
Joined: 9/10/2007
From: Indiana USA
Status: offline 		I show my cellar already.  I very very rarely check other users cellars, as I just don't care.  Gosh, that sounded rude, but it wasn't meant to.  Why does it matter on the quantities in our cellars? 

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/10/2008 3:18:31 PM   
grafstrb

 

Posts: 408
Joined: 11/6/2007
From: Los Angeles, via Minnesota
Status: offline 		I, too, already show my cellar.  I very occasionally look at someone's cellar, usually after I read one of their TN's that inspire me to know what else they enjoy drinking/collecting.  More than viewing others' cellars, I enjoy viewing others' TN history, as I find that more educational with respect to what context I can put a particular TN in.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/11/2008 5:15:37 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

Posts: 1953
Joined: 4/24/2006
From: Arabia
Status: offline 		The majority of CTers  (I believe) don't show their cellars, but those that have posted here definitely do.
So I guess those happy to speak out are generally happy to be open in other ways (or is it that those that don't share are too shy to own up?).
I'm suprised that there is little interest in looking at the cellars of others: we could have the strange phenomena of just those who don't post their cellars, looking at the cellars of those that do!
I'm keen to have the facility to deleted quantities while showing the wines that are owned.
I believe more people would then show their holdings, and maybe even post more?
The question - "why are you concerned about showing your cellar quantities?" - will have a different answer for each person.
Here are a few potential concerns that someone holding a large cellar might worry about:
1.  Being burgled
2.  Alimony demads
3.  Tax bills
4.  Appearing ostentatious
5.  Begging letters (just joking on this one). 
While I haven't gone into great detail is seems there is a greater resistance to posting details of very lage cellars, than more modest ones, which of course is perfectly logical if the points above have any validity.


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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/11/2008 12:02:37 PM   
davidpg

 

Posts: 5
Joined: 7/3/2006
Status: offline 		I show my cellar and enjoy looking at others, especially if they rate a wine I enjoyed in the same manner. I would then peruse their cellar to see what they might have that could be of interest to me as well.

I would go even further and have the option of instant messaging available to members. If I have a question for someone concerning one of their reviews, etc., I would like the option to ask (they can have all IMs blocked, they could choose not to respond, or they could answer civally).

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/11/2008 3:34:17 PM   
fingers

 

Posts: 682
Joined: 8/26/2006
From: Santa Ana, CA
Status: offline 		Another aspect I really appreciate about the open viewing is I can ask for a recommended food pairing and then others can look at my cellar and make suggestions based on what I have.  That is very cool and I wish it were some kind of stand-alone feature, as I've mentioned in other threads (pairing possibilities).

Kind of funny, Colonel that you started this poll yet discount the results!

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/12/2008 12:52:00 AM   
Maestro

 

Posts: 521
Joined: 10/4/2007
Status: offline 		I don't mind sharing the cellar information (although -- as I said above -- I don't think we should be able to see each other's quantities), but just as an FYI, I only have loaded into CT the part of my cellar which is available for consumption (as those are the wines for which I will write tasting notes in the near future).

Once a year I move wine from the aging bins into the consumption bins (plus I buy a lot of wine that goes straight into the consumption bins) and then they get registered in CT. The stuff that is aging for the long haul I never registered as I am not likely to write tasting notes for that (I am not likely to drink that stuff in the near future).

Every now and again I toy with the idea of registering the whole stuff, but it would be a lot of work... And the current system works fine for me as I have fairly good control over the cases sitting there for the long haul...

That might be an alternative solution for Colonel and others. Have "locations" which are public and locations which are private.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/12/2008 3:06:53 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

Posts: 1953
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From: Arabia
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fingers

Another aspect I really appreciate about the open viewing is I can ask for a recommended food pairing and then others can look at my cellar and make suggestions based on what I have.  That is very cool and I wish it were some kind of stand-alone feature, as I've mentioned in other threads (pairing possibilities).

Kind of funny, Colonel that you started this poll yet discount the results!


Which results do you mean?
I was trying to understand the overall position.
Perhaps you detected my own ambition - to persuade Eric to allow me to show my cellar, but without quantities.
The results didn't do a lot to further this cause (just Maestro and me agreeing).
L.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/12/2008 8:17:58 AM   
fingers

 

Posts: 682
Joined: 8/26/2006
From: Santa Ana, CA
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Colonel Lawrence

The majority of CTers  (I believe) don't show their cellars,


Just not sure what data supports that belief since this poll shows otherwise.  Didn't think about the alimony aspect, however.  That's a good one

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/12/2008 11:01:05 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

Posts: 1953
Joined: 4/24/2006
From: Arabia
Status: offline 		From the home page just go to "Users" and see who shows their cellars.
It seems a lot less than the 86% that my "sample" poll got.
Confess I didn't look at all 48,470 records.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/12/2008 11:18:53 PM   
NiklasW

 

Posts: 435
Joined: 10/13/2007
From: Finland
Status: offline 		I hate to point out the obvious, but anybody with an account in CT can see that you, Colonel, have over 4600 bottles in your cellar and some 1500 pending, and you have been very free about what you have in your cellar on this forum. Putting one and one together tells me you have lots (understatement) of bottles of Bordeaux in your cellar...But why not? If that's what you want, then that's what you want. With 48,000 users, there are plenty enough of us who show their cellars to satisfy our curiosity. Also, my guess is that the majority of those who don't show their cellars are also not interested in the "community experience", they use CT simply to keep track of their cellars. And why not? That's their choice, thanks to the policy of Eric and CT! In short, you don't need to feel bad about not showing your cellar Colonel, you have legitimate reasons for doing so, and I at least respect that.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/13/2008 3:07:37 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

Posts: 1953
Joined: 4/24/2006
From: Arabia
Status: offline 		NW,
I had the ambition of getting on the first user page (i.e. top 30 - which is 6842 bottles right now).
But now drink and sell at about the speed I buy, and so with others cellars growing all the time I'm slipping backwards:
now 45th. 
But you're right mine is predminantly red Bordeaux so maybe I make the first page for that ;)
Cheers,
L.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/13/2008 5:56:57 PM   
Bill

 

Posts: 103
Joined: 10/8/2007
From: EU
Status: offline 		I can perfectly understand it is fun to see someone’s cellar. I would probably do it myself, if I had (or was willing to make) the time.

So I am the first in this poll who would never show his cellar. And for completely other reasons than I read up to now.

Colonel mentioned one good reason already: being burgled. (An acquaintance of me got burgled after he was open (and proud) about his cellar.)
I also have another reason. I participate in many tasting groups and wine and food groups. (And do a lot of sports to make this possible…;-))
Many of those people know of CT, or use it themselves.
So when there is a BYO blind tasting (of which I have many) of a certain theme and the participants can see my cellar, they could guess what I will bring; Part of the fun spoiled. Or even worse; see what I did not bring…… Same for dinner or tasting party’s at my house.
And some persons are more dear to me than others, and for them I save my very special bottles. And for others I will open/bring a good bottle, but not my best.

Skål,
Bill.

P.S. And to be honest; I myself would never look at someone’s cellar to see what he or she could bring. That would only influence me when tasting and probably also when writing TN’s and I prefer to be objective about wine. But I know there are many in these groups who think it is a competition and pinpointing the right wine is the most important. They will do everything that can be in their advantage of accomplishing that. And by showing my cellar I would help them……no way!!!

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/14/2008 7:30:24 PM   
deb293

 

Posts: 287
Joined: 8/24/2005
Status: offline 		If someone got burgled after discussing his cellar does that mean he was burgled by a friend or colleague?  I can't even imagine discussing my wine collection with someone who was likely to burgle me!

I show my cellar, including quantities, because I don't see any harm in it, and I think it's interesting to see what folks collect.  Happily, many agree with me.  I wish I could see into the cellars of the Wine Spectator critics...

< Message edited by deb293 -- 3/14/2008 7:38:54 PM >

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/15/2008 7:24:57 AM   
cgrimes

 

Posts: 895
Joined: 10/8/2007
From: Massachusetts
Status: offline 		I also show my (humble compared to 4000+) cellar.  However, I respect the wishes of those who don't, especially for security reasons.  Big cellars with rare wines are potential booty for burglars.  I like the fact that we can choose the level of security we feel appropriate.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/15/2008 11:52:21 AM   
deb293

 

Posts: 287
Joined: 8/24/2005
Status: offline 		Eric,

Is there anyway to tie in a person's home address with his/her cellar inventory?

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/15/2008 1:18:24 PM   
Eric

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: deb293

Eric,

Is there anyway to tie in a person's home address with his/her cellar inventory?

Not via CellarTracker. There is no field on my site, in my database where you store an address. Unless you have somehow chosen to put that in your forum profile (which is totally separate from the main site).


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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/15/2008 4:36:54 PM   
ParkHill

 

Posts: 124
Joined: 6/27/2007
From: Denver, CO
Status: offline 		For me it is an issue of privacy, emotional or realistic. I've been on the internet for a long time, and I just prefer to have less information about me available for "those who are watching". Pseudonyms help obviously, but still, I'm just very cautious.

I'm a product of the sixties, I've worked in data mining. There are parties scooping up ALL email and webcontent, indexing and connecting it to names, political values, income, Social Security numbers. Sometimes it is just marketing firms, sometimes private detectives, sometimes governments.

Google your own name, sometime. Then imagine a government or marketing company or ex-wife, or future employer had access to all that. And, I'm not even all that paranoid.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/16/2008 8:50:10 AM   
Pontac

 

Posts: 339
Joined: 8/3/2006
Status: offline 		I'm don't see the risk in showing your cellar if you are using a pseudonym.

If I could look at ParkHills cellar, how on earth could I link it to the owner (unless of course he chooses to show his real name in his forum profile, Tom :)

And vice versa, if I knew that 'Joe Soap' was a wine collector, if he used a pseudonym on CT then how could I identify which of the many cellars was his?

I'm aware of the loss of privacy in our society, and I understand why some may not want to open their cellar (and to be honest I'm not that interested in others cellars myself) but I can't see its a problem when a pseudonym is used.

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/16/2008 5:46:44 PM   
Bill

 

Posts: 103
Joined: 10/8/2007
From: EU
Status: offline 		When you remain completely anonymous there is no reason not to show your cellar.

When attending off line tasting events.
Faces get known….
Addresses too….

Vicious readers of a forum (not necessarily participants of the tasting event) could get this info as well….

Apparently many do not want to hear/realize this. So this will be my last contribution to this thread.

I am not trying to convince anybody; just explaining my reasons not to share this information.

Cheers!
Bill.

P.S. I could install an alarm system and feel save. But silly me…..I prefer to spend that money on a few very good bottles…

< Message edited by Bill -- 3/16/2008 6:02:17 PM >

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RE: Showing Cellars - 3/17/2008 3:46:10 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

Posts: 1953
Joined: 4/24/2006
From: Arabia
Status: offline 		I suspect there is little more to add and my simple ambition of getting a small extra feature from Eric seems to be unlikely, so I will leave it here.
Cheers,
L.

< Message edited by Colonel Lawrence -- 3/28/2008 4:00:48 AM >

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