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TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 12/17/2007 5:25:13 PM

Eric

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I have made a series of changes with the goal of cleaning up the tasting notes and keeping them clean, e.g. no copyrighted material, no useless notes (to the community) of "Gave to Bob", no winemaker notes etc. In other words, a public tasting note should just represent how the wine tasted to the person who was tasting it. Obviously some context, food etc is acceptable, but if a note contains nothing but context in most cases it will be moved to be a private consumption note.

Effective immediately, I have posted an article which speaks to the different types of notes which people can store on the site: http://www.cellartracker.com/ow.asp?NoteProcedures
I will likely flesh this out more with screenshots, but it's a start. As of yesterday this is linked into the UI in a number of places.
I have also tried to clean up the UI in a few places so that people get the hint of what should be posted and where.
And as of a few minutes ago, any time a logged-in user sees a public tasting note (not their own of course) there is now also a link to report an issue on that note. I expect the community will help to keep things clean and honest.

I have cleaned up about 500 notes over the weekend and I have more to do. But things are far enough along that I wanted to turn on this UI and solicit all of your help.

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 12/17/2007 10:41:08 PM

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Just noticed the 'report an issue' tags on the notes. Nice work. I expect to use this feature often.

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 12/18/2007 7:41:16 AM

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Thank you Eric. This new capability should prove to be quite an improvement.

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 12/18/2007 9:15:31 AM

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Eric - where do you want notes from, say, a retailer that has other sources' copyrighted material quoted?

For example, with Garagiste I find value in saving some of the prose Jon Rimmerman sends out, which often contains WA or WS or IWC quotes or whole TNs. Currently I put that material in the Private Note. Is that appropriate, or is there / should there be a way to share that material? Since it comes from a retailer, would it be fair game to make public? Maybe the new wiki section?

Thanks,
Squirrel

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 12/18/2007 9:42:35 AM

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In some cases retalier material is pretty cut and dry, other times very salesy. Jon runs the gamut...

In most cases retailer offers should go as private notes or professional reviews. Each user has to enter them themselves. If a retailer offer is posted in the Wiki, it needs all embedded WA/WS/IWC stuff removed.

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 12/18/2007 12:10:26 PM

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As far as Tasting Note clean up goes, I now know your position on stuff like "Inky", but where do you stand on "Decanted for 2 hours" and/or "Damn nice!"

And thanks again for enabling this feature, I feel much less the victim of "Suzy loved it!" style notes.

J_Hayden

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 12/27/2007 8:33:48 AM

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It might also be nice to have a voting system for notes. If I find a note particularly useful I can give it 5 stars, but give the "My wife loved it, I didn't" notes 1 star. Then through some behind the scenes magic, notes can be sorted by some averaging of community ratings with my ratings both per note and per note writer.

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 12/31/2007 7:13:07 AM

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hmmm....

if a TN only contains a score and not any text, then the "report an issue" link does not come forward; we might want to comment on a outlier score that has no other supporting information so it would be nice to have access to the report an issue link.

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 1/3/2008 8:58:18 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: 1800kidney

hmmm....

if a TN only contains a score and not any text, then the "report an issue" link does not come forward; we might want to comment on a outlier score that has no other supporting information so it would be nice to have access to the report an issue link.

When I first turned on the reporting mechanism, I allowed people to report on blank notes. And 15 of the first 16 reports were of people complaining about the existence of scores without notes. Umm, no thanks. What I did then was to suppress the report option in this case AND increase the visibility of the filter option so people can suppress the scores without notes more easily.

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 1/7/2008 9:55:56 AM

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Going in and cleaning up my notes...I have a couple that give tasting notes under mine from some of the rags.

Hope it gives you a little more time during the day!

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 2/21/2008 12:53:11 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: snekse

It might also be nice to have a voting system for notes. If I find a note particularly useful I can give it 5 stars, but give the "My wife loved it, I didn't" notes 1 star. Then through some behind the scenes magic, notes can be sorted by some averaging of community ratings with my ratings both per note and per note writer.

Eric:
I registered just to say this exact same thing. I think a community rating system for TN writers is a very useful thing. And perhaps, in addition, have an option to display only those with a rating of say 4 stars (community ranked or personal ranks) and above or whatever threshold level the individual user sets it as.

Cheers,
WEc

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 2/22/2008 12:32:08 AM

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Just be careful how you do this, think about how it will be perceived; not all users are/think alike, ore intend to use CT in the same way. And they have every right to. I would agree with a personal rating system for tasting note writers, and I agree with you that there are gifted and less gifted tasting note writers, but a community ratings for users could create a good guys / bad guys feeling that I'm sure Eric would not want.

One of the strong points of CT is exactly that everybody can join in and use it in the way he or she wants. Be it to write serious notes or just points or even souvenirs (and yes, the latter SHOULD be in the private notes section; constant user-education and unfortunately TN cleanup required). Anyway, you quickly get the feeling that you're "at home" in CT.

What we should avoid however, is that people get the impression that they are not being taken seriously, or worse; out of place on CT because "the community" tells them that their TNs are rubbish. It' not in line with the spirit of the site. So for me; a personal rating would be OK, about community rating, I'm not so sure.

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 2/22/2008 7:19:34 AM

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I don't really see this as a problem. If you are to post something publically, it should be evaluated publically. If you do not want to be told that your TNs are worthless or whatever negativity that may surround them, post them privately. This is precisely the objective of the system, I believe. A community where "useful" information is disseminated. What I am suggesting is we weed out the "useless" stuff.

The only possible problem that may arise is when we have "useful" TN writers discredited by the community rating. But an option to display TNs based on either a) personal ranking of TN writers or b) a community ranking of TN writers could easily rectify this particular issue.

Cheers!

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RE: TASTING NOTE CLEANUP AND POLICIES - 2/22/2008 10:16:42 AM

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Coming up with an effective "rating and reputation" system is an important item on my future agenda. However, it has to be done with considerable care. I want every user to feel valued in whatever feedback they can provide about a wine. If people feel "judged" then I think it would be a potentially big step backward. At the same time, I do want to allow the community (and each individual) to highlight and emphasive the content which they each find most valuable so that you cn all ultimately tune the site to be most useful for you.

Anyway, this is not an IF but rather a WHEN thing. It is going to happen.With 1200+ notes per day being written on the site it is important to allow the community to elevate the most valuable content/authors etc.

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