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a wine without a grape - 7/13/2008 9:00:42 PM   
zippz

 

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Status: offline 		Came across this unique recipe for making dandelion wine...

http://www.thecompostbin.com/2006/05/how-to-make-dandelion-wine.html

which made me wonder... can you call it wine without a grape?
...another example would be rice wine.

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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/13/2008 9:22:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		My understanding is that you can ferment almost anything. My least favorite was a bag of grapes that my daughter had put into a summer coat pocket of mine in a Ziplock--I discovered it the following spring. Let's just say that it was not so nice, but it was clearly fermenting...

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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/14/2008 12:52:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		My mum has a predilection for strawberry, raspberry, blueberry etc etc wine. I was never so sure I would call those wine. Wonder is they can age as well or develop flavours as complex as the best grape wines. 

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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/14/2008 6:20:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are folks I know in Iowa that make dandelion wine, and like it.  I could never stomach the stuff, maybe because I got so much dandelion duty as a child.

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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/14/2008 7:31:50 PM   
zippz

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ3fjQa5Hls

Hold the pasta! ...red and green tomato wine recipes...
http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/reques14.asp
http://scorpius.spaceports.com/~goodwine/tomatowine.htm
http://makinghomemadewineandbeer.blogspot.com/2006/02/tomato-wine.html


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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/15/2008 2:44:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: zippz
. can you call it wine without a grape?
...another example would be rice wine.


In my book, no.

In EU law, no.

Rice wine is a misnomer. It is a beer. It is brewed.


As the old saying has it ' You can call cat a horse, but you can't saddle and ride it.'

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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/15/2008 6:09:23 PM   
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' You can call cat a horse, but you can't saddle and ride it.'


lmao... i have never heard that one before... i love it! 
Gives me nostalgic, warm fussy feelings, with images of ross perot and his pie charts

thank you for the correct categorization...
i was clueless on how to peg the rice "wine"... 
so it's brewed versus distilled or fermented? ... very interesting


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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/15/2008 7:04:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I made about 10 gallons of cherry wine before.  Had five trees that were loaded but had not been sprayed so had worms.  Picked enough to fill a large plastic garbage can, smashed them and fermented them for about ten days.  Then skimmed all the dead worms off the top, and put into five gallons carboys with water valves to allow gas to escape.  Continued fermentation until the gas bubbles stopped.  Tasted the stuff and it was actually not to bad.  Ended up drinking some, giving away a bunch and it all got drank within a few months. 

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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/15/2008 8:07:30 PM   
zippz

 

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Status: offline 		duck... brilliant turn around...
like the saying goes "when life hands you lemons, make lemonade"
thank you for being my muse...
you paved the way to our next weekend getaway...
to hunt down a cherry wine in door county, WI
http://www.dcwine.com/
... they also claim to make a
Razzle Dazzle Raspberry, Panacea Peach, Blackberry Merlot and Strawberry White Zinfandel.
btw you can register to win here, a case of your choice



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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/15/2008 11:03:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've had good luck with sour (pie) cherry and chokecherry.

I used a mix of white wine concentrate, then basically added the fruit for flavor. Sour cherry was okay; sort of a light aromatic, pink flavor. The chokecherry was more substantial. This is a Western US tree that grows wild with little purple-black cherries that are quite astringent. Chokecherry makes the best jelly and syrup (with the possible exception of huckleberry). The astringency gives a bit more foundation to wine than most other fruits.

The best home brew I ever made was chokecherry mead. No hops, as they tend to dominate the fruit. Honey for the sugar and chokecherry for the flavoring. Because honey is antiseptic, I had to use a sugar solution to get the yeasties growing. I could put this up against a champagne... I wonder if using oak chips would add a vanilla roundness.

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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/15/2008 11:05:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, and then there is chokecherry cordial.

Chokecherry syrup, brandy, cinnamon, nutmeg and other spices. Not really port, but wonderful splashed on top of vanilla ice cream.

Now, I'm going to get the Oregon and Washington huckleberry fans in a tizzy.

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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/16/2008 4:21:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		The big difference between fruit based 'wines' and grape wine is that nothing need be added to the grapes in order to make wine.

Whereas for a fruit wine water is added , so basically the fruit flavours that, you add sugar to give the added yeast something to ferment, etc etc

But to make wine from grapes you need to add nothing. There is enough juice, enough flavour, enough sugar and acids. Even natural yeasts.

And the difference between Vitis Vinifera and most (all) non vinifera varieties is that they need adjusting, often  too much acid...

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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/16/2008 8:12:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting to note how much chemistry is taking place...
sounds like a great science fair project for the kids.
I would assume the science teachers would appreciate the grading

came across this patent for Ginseng Wine...
they describe the process and it backs up your explanation.
Being a root, i can see that more ingredient is required to fuel the process.
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2007043017


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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/17/2008 6:56:41 PM   
zippz

 

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Status: offline 		For those who like their wine hot...

http://www.capandcork.com/beer-recipes/jalapeno-wine-recipe/

hmmm... raisins... now that's cheating a bit don't you think?


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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/20/2008 11:15:20 AM   
zippz

 

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Status: offline 		A peppered fillet mignon with mushroom-wine sauce, i have heard of,
but a stand alone mushroom wine?

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7244456.html


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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/25/2008 8:17:32 PM   
zippz

 

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Status: offline 		Approaching the fall... i thought of apple cider... and apple wine and wondering what was the difference.
Looks like i'm not alone in this trivial pursuit:

"When is it a cider and when an apple wine? This is a frequently asked question. There is no definitive answer to this. The best that can be said is that first of all apple wine falls outside of the definitions given above. Secondly, apple wine will almost always be made with dessert (sweet) apples. This materially affects the flavour of the finished drink. Cider apples contain high levels of tannins and significant amounts of malic acid. These are not found to significant levels in dessert apples. Therefore a cider has a sharpness (due to malic acid) and a bitterness (due to tannins) which is simply not found in apple wines. Commonly people will refer to the qualities that these components give to the cider as the "bite". This is not apparent in apple wine. The final distinction is the alcohol content. Cider generally has an alcohol content which does not exceed (about) 8 percent by volume. Apple wines can commonly have higher alcohol contents. These wines will inevitably have been fermented using wine yeasts, not natural or ale yeasts, since only wine yeasts are tolerant to the high alcohol levels. The wine yeasts will impart their own flavour profile to the apple wine, moving it further away from a true cider. Note that in some countries the distinctions may be regulated by law on the basis of alcohol content alone"

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/scrumpy/cider/real.htm


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RE: a wine without a grape - 7/31/2008 7:45:27 PM   
zippz

 

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Status: offline 		I found a apple wine from Sweet Pea Winery at World Market today...
very light, zero nose, zero body, short legs
there is a minimal hint of apple with a faint peach after taste
a nice refreshing change of pace...
definitely not a cider.

http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=109849

fun cork made of green rubber with cute/corny sayings on it
"You're the apple of my eye"
"How do you like them apples"
"She had kisses sweeter than wine"
"It's so peachy keen"


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RE: a wine without a grape - 8/3/2008 5:26:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		For those with a fruit wine in your "my cellar", you may have noticed a "" icon in your list.

I found this particularly charming.

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