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RE: Best New World Reds - 9/16/2007 9:25:11 PM

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Due to the name conflict with the Godolphin racing stables, from the 2006 release of the Glaetzer wine it is now known as Anaperenna. See here...
http://www.glaetzer.com/

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RE: Best New World Reds - 9/17/2007 4:48:31 AM

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While it's rare for a trademark to cover both wine and equine offerings it seems indeed that the Maktoums have ''encouraged'' a name change:
"Glaetzer Anaperenna Shiraz Caberent 2006 (formerly called Godolphin) –
Same wine, same winemaker, same symbol from the same renowned Barossa vineyards – with a new name.
Glaetzer Godolphin Shiraz Cabernet has made quite an impact in its first 2 vintages. Unfortunately, due to a dispute over the use of Godolphin from another party in an unrelated industry, we have agreed to relinquish the name.
Anaperenna’s name has been inspired by Anna Perenna, Roman goddess of the new year. Her name translates as “enduring year”. At an annual festival, Romans would call on Anna to grant them longevity and would ask Anna to grant them a year of good health for each glass of wine they drank on that day. (We of course, endorse more responsible drinking with Anaperenna)
The 2006 Anaperenna Shiraz Cabernet Sauvignon retains the symbol from the Godolphin label: the Egyptian ankh (pronounced: onk) represents sunrise, regeneration, regrowth and renewal. The symbol is most appropriate as we welcome Anaperenna into our range."

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RE: Best New World Reds - 9/18/2007 2:45:35 PM

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Turnbull & Shafer One Point Five Can’t understand this one as ther seems to be a Turbull and a Shafer, but none with One Point Five.

Sorry Colonel. Didn't mean to get you thinking they were lumped together... two completely separate wines by different producers.

Turnbull Cabernet Sauvignon

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Shafer One Point Five - apparently the same as their previous cabernet sauvignon but now under the label "One Point Five." Confuses the hell out of the wine stores when you ask for it by name because they think you are looking for a large-scale bottle.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 9/18/2007 3:57:48 PM

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I'm partial to Aussie reds . . . and personally, I think that no Aussie list (or cellar) is complete without Henschke, Clarendon Hills, or Mollydooker.

I have a really good friend who is the person who got me into wine. He's been collecting for 20 years, and has bought more Aussie wines over the last 6 or 7 years than from all other countries combined. I am constantly turning to him for advice (in fact, I sometimes call him from restaurants while perusing the wine list). He first turned me on to a number of the wines mentioned in this thread, and has many in his inventory. If you want to take a look, his site is www.vinoquest.com.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 9/23/2007 3:51:52 AM

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The latest list (with corrections):
Massena Shiraz Eleventh Hour (2003,2005) - Australia
Glaetzer (Bishop, Amon Ra, Godolphin) - Australia (note Godolphin name change from 2006 to Glaetzer Anaperenna Shiraz Caberent)
Kalleske (Greenock Shirazes, esp. 2003) - Australia
Barossa Valley Estate - South Australia
Diane Madeline from Cullen - Australia
Lakes Folly - Australia
Seppelts St Peter (good QPR) - Australia
Moss Wood Cab Sav - Australia
Petaluma (good QPR) - Australia
Clonakilla Shiraz Viognier - Australia
Tatiarra Caravan of Dreams (2003-5) - Australia
Barossa Valley Estate E & E Black Peppers (esp. 2002) - South Australia
Oliverhill "Jimmy Section" (esp. 2005) - South Australia
Lake's Folly - NSW Australia
Penfold's RWT - The 1997, 2000, 2001, and 2003 vintages are superb - Australia
2003 Rusden Black Guts - I'm think I'm addicted to this! - Australia
Elderton Command (1996, 1998, and particularly 2001) - Australia
d'Arenberg Dead Arm (1999 - 2001 vintages are terrific) - Australia
Greenock Creek Alice's and Apricot Block (2000-2003,esp.) – Australia
Greenock Creek Shiraz (2001,2005) – Australia
Henschke - Australia
Clarendon Hills - Australia
Mollydooker - Australia
Pratts - Australia
Symington Chrysia - Australia

Celler Vall Llach - Spain, Priorat whoops, this is old world, but who's counting

Concha y Toro (Carmin de Peumo, Don Melchor) – Chile
Miguel Torres Manso de Velasco – Chile

Meerlust Rubicon (2001) – South Africa
Kanonkop Paul Sauer – South Africa
Rust en Verde – South Africa
Hartenberg – South Africa

Joseph Phelps Insignia – USA
Ridge Monte Bello – USA
Stags Leap Vineyards – USA
Rubicon – USA
La Jota Cab Franc – USA
Cakebread – USA
Chappellet – USA
Neal – USA
Larkmead – USA
Turnbull Cabernet Sauvignon - USA
Shafer One Point Five - USA
Quilceda Creek Cabernet Sav. - USA
Bergstrom Pinot Noir - USA
Dr. Loosen - USA
Chat Ste Michelle Eroica resisling - USA
Ste Michelle Artist Series Meritage - USA
North Star Walla Walla Merlot - USA
Walla Walla Vintners Reds - USA
from Deb293 http://www.winespectator.com/Wine/Images/Graphics/Feature/111506Retail.pdf

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RE: Best New World Reds - 9/25/2007 9:04:50 AM

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Colonel,

A couple of dupes!

You have Lakes Folly twice (second time as Lake's Folly) and Barossa Valley Estates - assuming it's the E&E Black Pepper - no 's' - you're referring to (wouldn't recommend the Ebenezer as a long term bet)

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RE: Best New World Reds - 9/25/2007 12:24:11 PM

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Ammendments duly noted:
Massena Shiraz The Eleventh Hour (2003,2005) - Australia, South Australia, Barossa, Barossa Valley
Glaetzer (Bishop, Amon Ra, Godolphin) - Australia (note Godolphin name change from 2006 to Glaetzer Anaperenna Shiraz Caberent)
Kalleske Shiraz Greenock (esp. 2003) - Australia, South Australia, Barossa, Barossa Valley
Cullen Wines Diana Madeline - Australia, Western Australia, South West Australia, Margaret River
Seppelt Shiraz St Peters Great Western (good QPR) - Australia, Victoria, Western Victoria, Grampians
Moss Wood Cabernet Sauvignon - Australia, Western Australia, South West Australia, Margaret River
Petaluma (good QPR) - need clarification on specific wine
Clonakilla Shiraz Viognier - Australia, New South Wales, Southern New South Wales, Canberra District
Tatiarra Shiraz Pressings Caravan of Dreams (2003-5) - Australia, Victoria, Central Victoria, Heathcote
Barossa Valley Estate E & E Black Pepper Shiraz (esp. 2002) - Australia, South Australia, Barossa, Barossa Valley
Oliverhill Jimmy Section (esp. 2005) - Australia, South Australia, Fleurieu, McLaren Vale
Lake's Folly - Australia, New South Wales, Hunter Valley
Penfold's RWT - The 1997, 2000, 2001, and 2003 vintages are superb - Australia, South Australia, Barossa, Barossa Valley
Rusden Shiraz Black Guts (esp.2003) - Australia, South Australia, Barossa, Barossa Valley
Elderton Shiraz Command (1996, 1998, and particularly 2001) - Australia, South Australia, Barossa
d'Arenberg Shiraz The Dead Arm (1999 - 2001 vintages, terrific) - Australia, South Australia, Fleurieu, McLaren Vale
Greenock Creek Shiraz Alice's - Australia, South Australia, Barossa, Barossa Valley
Greenock Creek Shiraz Apricot Block – Australia, South Australia, Barossa, Barossa Valley
Henschke - need clarification on specific wine
Clarendon Hills - Australia, South Australia, Fleurieu, Clarendon
Mollydooker - Australia, South Australia, McLaren Vale

Prats and Symington Douro Chrysia - Portugal, Douro

Celler Vall Llach - Spain, Priorat whoops, these are old world, but who's counting

Concha y Toro (Carmin de Peumo, Don Melchor) – Chile
Miguel Torres Manso de Velasco – Chile

Meerlust Rubicon (2001) – South Africa
Kanonkop Paul Sauer – South Africa
Rust en Verde – South Africa
Hartenberg – South Africa

Joseph Phelps Insignia – USA
Ridge Monte Bello – USA
Stags Leap Vineyards – USA
Rubicon – USA
La Jota Cab Franc – USA
Cakebread – USA
Chappellet – USA
Neal – USA
Larkmead – USA
Turnbull Cabernet Sauvignon - USA
Shafer One Point Five - USA
Quilceda Creek Cabernet Sav. - USA
Bergstrom Pinot Noir - USA
Dr. Loosen - USA
Chat Ste Michelle Eroica resisling - USA
Ste Michelle Artist Series Meritage - USA
North Star Walla Walla Merlot - USA
Walla Walla Vintners Reds - USA
from Deb293 http://www.winespectator.com/Wine/Images/Graphics/Feature/111506Retail.pdf

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RE: Best New World Reds - 10/3/2007 10:06:43 AM

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Well as the CT boards seem to be pretty much in hibernation mode I thought I'd take the liberty of stretching this ''Best New World Reds'' forum.
Out last night with some good friends at a rather classy restaurant - 25 at the Habtoor Grand.
The problem in Dubai (except for the traffic and construction) is the availability/cost of decent wine:
wine list pretty modest, and prices for anything French (even the undrinkable) extortionate.
Thought 'd spend just under $60 a bottle:
so thought I'd try a Chilean Valdieveso http://www.valdiviesovineyard.com/
Very acceptable, even if it retails for $10 in the USA (at that price a real steal).
The restaurant or course only had 1 bottle!
So then tried an Aussie The Stump Jump (don't they have great names) http://volunteer.blogs.com/winewaves/2007/06/darenberg_the_s.html
Again very acceptable - it was the Grenache Shiraz Mouvedre version so fruitier than the Chilean.
But overall the Chilean wone by a short head.
And it only cost me $110 for two wines that you can buy for $20!
Happy drinking.
L.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 10/4/2007 7:03:15 PM

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Hey, how about that Amon-Ra? Is it worth all the hype?

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RE: Best New World Reds - 10/5/2007 3:24:03 AM

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Won't know until 2010 at the earliest - will resist opening until then.
I expect they will have improved and cost a fortune to buy retail, if available at all.
Then they will be really special - I hope!

Bought the 2005 on these notes:
SWiG, (a dealer)
We know that points shouldn't make a wine taste any better, but reaching an almost perfect score from the hugely influential Robert Parker will certainly not do it any harm and might even release enough endorphins to alter the chemical balance of your palate and help it taste even sweeter. We are very pleased to announce that the Amon Ra 2005 scored a mighty 98 points from the man himself, which puts it at the pinnacle of Barossa Valley Shiraz. Congratulations to all who believed our hype and took the plunge.

"Darker than Edgar Allan Poe's cat, this immense wine has a deep, gothic purple hue and that rich, beautifully-scented perfume of classic Barossa Shiraz at its very best. One swirl of the glass and aromas of molten blackcurrants, sweet spice, purple flowers and incense spiral upwards. There is epic fruit in here! The palate is deep, broad and intense with those noble, century-old Ebenezer vines providing amazing complexity and length as well as enriching the wine with ripe and integrated tannins. Although the aromas are beguiling, the magic really reveals itself on the palate; handfuls of dripping, glossy blackberries are the main feature, supported by a cast of white chocolate, crème de cassis and aromatic woody spice. In terms of texture, it's extremely plush and velvety - you could cover cushions in it! All in all, we think this is a potential classic, a wine that is irresistible now but will age beautifully for ten if not twenty years. Last year, we felt that, in terms of quality, it was a photo-finish between the Amon Ra and the Godolphin; this year the Amon Ra wins by two lengths. It is made from 100% 100-110 year-old dry grown Ebenezer Shiraz, matured for 14 months in 100% new oak of which 20% is American and 80% French."

Robert Paker 98 points
'The profound 2005 Shiraz Amon Ra is fashioned from a dry grown, 100- to 110 year-old vineyard, and spends 14 months in a combination of 100% new French and American barrels as well as 300-liter hogsheads. A saturated purple color is followed by scents of creme de cassis, incense, licorice, black raspberries, graphite, and sweet wood. It unfolds beautifully on the palate to reveal terrific richness, full-bodied power, great definition, and lovely elegance. This exquisite Shiraz is still young, but it possesses a degree of accessibility. It should age for two decades. It is a superb example of cutting edge winemaking being utilized on ancient Shiraz vines in the Barossa.'

2006:
SWiG,
"A deeper shade of purple than the black eyes we gave each other fighting over who took the sample bottle home, this is a truly prodigious Amon-Ra from Ben Glaetzer. Now in its sixth vintage, all three of us feel that this is the greatest Amon-Ra yet produced. Yes, to paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies, we would say that wouldn't we, but if you had been here when we opened the sample bottle that arrived last month, you would have witnessed such scenes of rejoicing that you might have thought we'd just heard that Lesley Garrett had retired. It's an absolute stunner, made entirely from old vine Barossa Valley Shiraz (some vines as old as 120 years), it is aromatically complex and expressive thanks to the long growing-season, with a gorgeous uplift of perfumed, creamy blackcurrants interwoven with vanilla and subtle, peppery szechuan spices. The palate is delectably succulent and seductive, married to a purity and finesse that maintains its elegance, so that it never feels over-extracted or jammy, despite the wealth of fruit. It's an immensely well-groomed wine, clad in 100% new oak (80% French, 20% American for 15 months), which imparts the seductive chocolate and vanilla flavours, adding complexity and intrigue. The tannins are fine-grained and manifest and promise to support the wine during its long evolution in tandem with the juicy blackberry acidity. Ben intimated to us that Robert Parker had thoroughly enjoyed the 2006s, which is never a bad thing. We look forward, with anticipation, to his review."

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RE: Best New World Reds - 10/5/2007 10:01:42 AM

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If you like the fruit forward high scoring Parker type Syra then yes the Amon-Ra is worth all of the hype and then some.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 11/28/2007 1:06:56 PM

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lol...bet you forgot about this thread Colonel...never to late to resurrect a dead, but valuable, thread.

A trip to Napa Valley a few months ago gave me the opportunity to taste many wines that are far superior to what I drink most of the time. All the wines by Darioush were so phenomenal that my wife and I decided to fork out $90 for their Hillside Cabernet ($90 on a bottle is seriously a lot for us!). I found their Signature Cab to be almost it's equal, at about 2/3 the price. The Darioush Signature Cabernet Sauvignon was a bit "bigger" --- I have a couple and plan on sitting on 'em for at least 5 years, but they're well worth the wait (and money). -- For a Bordeaux guy I'd venture to guess that you can handle this price point no problem. Rubicon, I'm sad to report, was a huge disappointment. Their cabs (proprietary and Cask bottlings) were rather flabby, and way out of balance -- not at all worth their price tags ($110 and $70, respectively).

I personally think the dry reds coming out of the Duoro Valley in Portugal are fabulous "New World" wines, especially anything by Quinta do Crasto.

Spain's Montsant region is also a treasure trove of New World reds, and quite affordable to boot! They're basically "baby Priorats."

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RE: Best New World Reds - 11/28/2007 3:11:58 PM

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lol...bet you forgot about this thread Colonel...never to late to resurrect a dead, but valuable, thread.

A trip to Napa Valley a few months ago gave me the opportunity to taste many wines that are far superior to what I drink most of the time. All the wines by Darioush were so phenomenal that my wife and I decided to fork out $90 for their Hillside Cabernet ($90 on a bottle is seriously a lot for us!). I found their Signature Cab to be almost it's equal, at about 2/3 the price. The Darioush Signature Cabernet Sauvignon was a bit "bigger" --- I have a couple and plan on sitting on 'em for at least 5 years, but they're well worth the wait (and money). -- For a Bordeaux guy I'd venture to guess that you can handle this price point no problem. Rubicon, I'm sad to report, was a huge disappointment. Their cabs (proprietary and Cask bottlings) were rather flabby, and way out of balance -- not at all worth their price tags ($110 and $70, respectively).

I have to second that Darioush. The Hillside Select is some phenomal juice, been a while since I have had it (from my pre CT days) but it never disappoints.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 11/29/2007 2:47:22 AM

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Thanks for the suggestions: confess I still struggle with US wines - there's so many, frequently with small (mailing list size) output, I have little personal experience (in fact feel a little embarrassed that I own just 1 bottle of Philip Togni Cabernet Sauvignon ) and I find UK availability poor (well I buy mainly from Farr).
Have decided that California is the next place to get my undivided attention though (quite happy with the Aussie wines I've already selected).
The new plan is to gradually sell off a few of my "now expensive" Bordeaux and replace them with equally good, better value new world wines. Might take me some time though.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 2/28/2008 6:12:44 AM

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Hear on the grapevine that the 2000 Parker Coonawarra Estate Terra Rossa First Growth is pretty good.
Not great perhaps, but good and at a fair price (getting more adverse to being ripped off by Bordeaux each year).

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RE: Best New World Reds - 3/1/2008 11:13:00 PM

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Just realised I didn't mention my first experience of Grange on this (very relevant) thread:
http://www.cellartracker.com/forum/Most_Collectable_Wine/m_18532/tm.htm

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RE: Best New World Reds - 5/21/2008 5:42:47 AM

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Through popular demand I've temporarily opened my cellar for view.
The New World is rather under represented though.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 5/21/2008 10:58:52 AM

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Other Cali cabs worth mentioning:

Foley Claret
Switchback Ridge
Herb Lamb

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/14/2008 12:56:05 AM

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Mount Mary Quintet
Moss Wood Cab Sauv
Torbreck Runrig, Les Amis
Kelleske old vine Grenach, Johan George Shiraz (grape supplier to penfolds grange up to few years ago)
Viottolo Shiraz, (Red Heads Studio)
Voyager Cab Merlot
Bald Hills, Pegasus Bay, Gibbston Valley Pinot Noir (NZ)
Felton Road Blk 3 &5 Pinot Noir
Balnaves The Tally (Cab/Sauv) especially 2004
Poonawatta 1880 Shiraz
Jim Barry Armarh
Yarra Yerring Dry red 1, 2, Underhill Shiraz
Clarendon Hills Astralis & Brookman Shiraz
Penfolds Blk 42, and Bin 60A
Rockford Basket Press Shiraz
Heartland Directors cut Shiraz
Glaetzer Amon Ra prior to 2005 (later one are not as good)
Bass Philip reserve Pinot Noir
Hobbs Shiraz
Chris Ringland Shiraz (formerly Three Rivers)
Rusden Black guts Shiraz
Shirvington Shiraz
Standish Shiraz
Each one of them are the new stars of the down under.
Regards,
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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/14/2008 2:40:50 AM

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Useful list, have just three and am trying to buy 2004 Torbreck Run Rig, if I can get the price right.
Interesting comment about Amon Ra (interesting because I have 2005/6), what's the background?
With that much detailed knowledge you sound like you must be from down under?
L.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/14/2008 4:30:16 AM

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Any suggestions warmly welcomed: as a quality/price benchmark I'd like to use Leoville Barton.

Best Regards,

L.

I went thru the list and...
Lots of big and fruit bombs on the list and not too many wine which can be described as "quality/price benchmark I'd like to use Leoville Barton"

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/14/2008 5:16:15 AM

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Im not sure what you have access in the USA but if you can get your hands on Te Mata Estate "Colraine" from the Hawkes Bay in New Zealand you are in for a treat. Neal Martin from parker's website was down here recently and was quiet taken by it... http://www.erobertparker.com/members/nmartin/nm299.asp
for those who are willing to pay Bordeaux prices this is a wine that will blow you away, they dont make bad wine their although the last few vintages have been particularly good.
Also from New Zealand, Craggy Range "the Quarry" (Cab Sav) and "Sophia" (Merlot) are great wines. All three are drinkable from about 5 years old and i guarantee if you try these blind along side bordeaux with similar grape composition you will be impressed!
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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/14/2008 6:34:22 AM

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Warwick Estate in south africa turn out some lovely wines, especiailly the Warwick Trilogy.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/14/2008 7:41:01 AM

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Useful list, have just three and am trying to buy 2004 Torbreck Run Rig, if I can get the price right.
Interesting comment about Amon Ra (interesting because I have 2005/6), what's the background?
With that much detailed knowledge you sound like you must be from down under?
L.

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Useful list, have just three and am trying to buy 2004 Torbreck Run Rig, if I can get the price right.
Interesting comment about Amon Ra (interesting because I have 2005/6), what's the background?
With that much detailed knowledge you sound like you must be from down under?
L.

Hi Colonel L,
Yes, I'm from Down Under.
Amon Ra started their first vintage in 2002, only produced 200 cases or so, 2003 slightly more, 2004 800 cases, 2005 around a 1000 cases, 2006 which is the current release don't know how many cases exactly but ample stocks available everywhere and the quality has also been compromise by cutting production on some of the lower price wines and put more under the label of Amon Ra.
Which I found these tricks use quite often, once the brand get established they will either sourcing more grapes place under the brand /pump up the quantity or increased the price; perhaps both.
I guessed are all back to supply and demand, but, we as consumers are constantly searching for the up and coming stars before their brand become known by the rest of the world.

For example, BVE's E&E black pepper shiraz in year 2000 I was able to pick up some 96 vintage for less than AUD 33 and now their current vintage is selling more than AUD 75, for that price there are a lot of good wines can be had.

Regards,
Boyeah

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/14/2008 10:21:53 AM

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Boyeah,

Didn't Ben Glaetzer make the BVE E&E? Have vintages back to 96 and it was the first Aussie red which really hooked me - white was Leeuwin Art Series Chardonnay. (Colonel - from memory drank the 96 E&E alongside the 2000 LB, which won it by by a whisker albeit both in the high 90's)

Have been impressed with recent BG wines but missed out on earlier ones unless you count the Barossa Valley Estates (if he made them). And yes, it used to be a lot cheaper.

Wrighty

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/14/2008 10:29:32 PM

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Boyeah,

Didn't Ben Glaetzer make the BVE E&E? Have vintages back to 96 and it was the first Aussie red which really hooked me - white was Leeuwin Art Series Chardonnay. (Colonel - from memory drank the 96 E&E alongside the 2000 LB, which won it by by a whisker albeit both in the high 90's)

Have been impressed with recent BG wines but missed out on earlier ones unless you count the Barossa Valley Estates (if he made them). And yes, it used to be a lot cheaper.

Wrighty

Hi Wrighty,
I have replied to your thread this morning, however it doesn't appear in the forum.
Ben Glaetzer did not involved in the making of the BVE E&E Blk Shiraz, Colin Glaetzer did, from memory is Ben's older brother or his old man.
Ben is involving with many other wines in the area, such as Heartland, Mitolo, etc...etc...
The Heartland's directors cut shiraz reminds me of the early E&E Blk Shiraz at 1/3 the price, Mitolo is a bit dearer but still better value than the E&E (Just my 2 cents)
Amon Ra used to be my favorite Shiraz until the 2006 vintage flooded the market, so as the Torbreck's runrig has increased from 60 bucks to the current release (05) becomes $225Aud for that money it is not 3 times as good as Balnaves "the Tally" or 7 times better than the Red heads studio and the list goes on and on.

Regards,
Boyeah

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/15/2008 3:33:14 AM

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All about Glaetzer as noted by duras above :
http://www.glaetzer.com/
Ben's the son.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/15/2008 3:48:01 AM

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This was the list I had assembled previously (in an attempt to identify the best Australian red wines):

Massena Shiraz Eleventh Hour (2003,2005) - Australia
Glaetzer (Bishop, Amon Ra, Godolphin) - Australia
Kalleske (Greenock Shirazes, esp. 2003) - Australia
Barossa Valley Estate - South Australia
Diane Madeline from Cullen - Australia
Lakes Folly - Australia
Seppelts St Peter (good QPR) - Australia
Moss Wood Cab Sav - Australia
Petaluma (good QPR) - Australia
Clonakilla Shiraz Viognier - Australia
Tatiarra Caravan of Dreams (2003-5) - Australia
Barossa Valley Estate E & E Black Peppers (esp. 2002) - South Australia
Oliverhill "Jimmy Section" (esp. 2005) - South Australia
Lake's Folly - NSW Australia
Penfold's RWT - The 1997, 2000, 2001, and 2003 vintages are superb - Australia
2003 Rusden Black Guts - I'm think I'm addicted to this! - Australia
Elderton Command (1996, 1998, and particularly 2001) - Australia
d'Arenberg Dead Arm (1999 - 2001 vintages are terrific) - Australia
Greenock Creek Alice's and Apricot Block (2000-2003,esp.) – Australia
Greenock Creek Shiraz (2001,2005) – Australia

Thinking of quality, rather than price/value, what wine would you add/delete from the list.
I want to find the best wines, rather than the best value as Aussie prices are wildly divergent around the world and from moment to moment.
Cheers,
L.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/15/2008 3:56:32 AM

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And not forgetting other areas I would submit these for consideration:

2000 Viñedo Chadwick

2001 Seña

2000 Seña

2001 Viñedo Chadwick

2001 Don Maximiano Founder's

2003 Don Maximiano Founder's

2000 Solaia

Guado Al Tasso Bolgheri 2000

Sassicaia Bolgheri 2000

Tignanello 2000

Seña 2003

Viñedo Chadwick 2003

They have all appeared (with varying success) in blind taste tests vs the Bordeaux 1sts

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/15/2008 9:56:05 PM

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While you are at the Americas, I thought you might want to consider adding in Almaviva and Dominus. I was sitting with the owner of Chateau Siran at a UGC dinner not too long ago, and he was telling us an anecdote about how he and a group Bordelais friends (all wine-makers if I remember correctly) would regularly do a blind tasting challenge of several Bordeaux wines, with a few jokers being thrown into the mix. The wines that were often mistaken for 1st growths were Almaviva and Dominus. I have not had any experience with Dominus myself, but I find the Almaviva, while not being a cheap wine, really good value for its quality. I really like the 2001, but found the 2002 rather too sweet and new-worldly for my taste. Will give an update on other vintages that I try.

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