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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/16/2008 12:36:28 AM

Colonel Lawrence

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Yes I own Almaviva 1997 thru 2005, so shouldn't have missed it.
Dominus I have heard of, but know little about.
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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/16/2008 5:09:22 AM

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Colonel,
In August I am hosting our wine group and my theme will be French/New World partnerships (Almaviva, Cheval Des Andes, Clos Apalta, Opus One, Dominus, etc.). I'll send you the link when it happens

Craig

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/16/2008 6:56:17 AM

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I'm jealous!

Maybe let a New World/New World partnership sneak through:
Sena - Errazuriz in a joint venture with Mondavi.
It's done well against the French in blind tastings.
(which I tried to add, but sadly didn't work).
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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/16/2008 8:16:23 AM

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For my money:

Pac NW

Cadence Bel Canto
Archery Summitt Pinot Noir
Cayuse Syrahs

Cali
Ramey Cabs and Syrah
Pax Syrahs
Sea Smoke Pinots

Aussies

Plexus
Laughing Magpie

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/16/2008 9:07:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Colonel Lawrence

Yes I own Almaviva 1997 thru 2005, so shouldn't have missed it.
Dominus I have heard of, but know little about.
L.

Have you tried the 2005 Almaviva? If so, how long before you think it is ready to drink? I have a bottle stashed somewhere. I find these wines to be generally earlier drinking than Bordeaux classed growth, but have not got a taste of the 2005 yet.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/16/2008 9:10:32 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Colonel Lawrence

I'm jealous!

Maybe let a New World/New World partnership sneak through:
Sena - Errazuriz in a joint venture with Mondavi.
It's done well against the French in blind tastings.
(which I tried to add, but sadly didn't work).
L.

What about old world ventures into the new world? I forgot to add that Tablas Creek's Esprit de Beaucastel Rouge has impressed me in recent vintages. Good value for money and a real crowd pleaser wherever I take a bottle.

Met the wine maker, Pierre Perrin of Beaucastel, who set up Tablas Creek in Paso Robles - he says that the wines have been increasing in quality every year and that they are very pleased with the results. The whites are well worth a taste as well.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/16/2008 1:16:34 PM

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Here's a shopping list to get you started in California, Colonel:

Cabernet Sauvignon
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BV Tapestry and Georges de Latour
Paul Hobbs
Robert Mondavi Rutherford Reserve
Raymond Generations
Spottswoode
Stag's Leap Fay
JP Insignia
Far Niente
Opus One
David Aurthur
Perry Moore
Clos Pegause Hommage
Shafer One Point Five

Merlot
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Duckhorn
Paloma

Syrah
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T-Vine
Shafer Relentless
PAX

Petite Sirah
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T-Vine
Stags' Leap Ne Cede Malis
David Fulton

Pinot Noir
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Robert Stemmler
Kosta Browne
Sea Smoke
Carneros Creek
Flowers
Pisoni
Perry Moore

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/16/2008 8:55:31 PM

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My limited 7 yrs of wine drinking (I'm 28 and only last 3-4 years a true wine lover) would recommend the following for Cali:

Pax: Syrahs and Syrah blends are awesome
T-vines: Petite Sirahs, Zins
Ridge: Zins (I did a 06 Lytton barrel tasting at the SF ZAP festival and it was awesome and I'm really looking forward for this one) and Monte Bello (recently signed up for futures with them, I read a lot of reviews about them being more "old world")
Michael David has a reserve Zin called Lust the 05 is tasting great- very fruit foward.

And then the Cabs
Cosentino
Stags Leap
Quintessa- I have only had the 04
Silver Oak -various vintages (can be hit and miss)

Sorry, that is what I have liked. I haven't been able to get my hands on or try a lot of the cult Cab wines. I also focus more on Zins, Syrahs and various fun red blends. There are some good/fun ones out there.
I have a more limited knowledge of the French and Italian wines: I know the grapes and major regions- but limited to that.

Spanish and South America wines are my regions of the week- for value at Rest. they can't be beat. Also planning a wine trip to Spain next year.
I recommend the 04 Jimenez Landi (blend of Merlot, Tempranillo and Syrah)- had around X-mas and a great QPR for a $17-18 dollar bottle. I would rate in the low 90's.

Australia I'm limited to Penfold and Two Hands- Sorry, they are next on my list for region of week. Thanks for all the good recommendations and I'm definitely bookmarking this post.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/16/2008 9:38:34 PM

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Colonel,
Since several have left short lists of CA wines for you I'm going to put in my 2 cents (for what it's worth):

You like to buy collectables, not only for your own consumption, but for investment purposes. Many above have listed some great wines, but part of the problem with collecting CA wines is many are obscure and of limited production--so much so that their collectibility may actually be diminished. Also procuring these wines is near to impossible if you are not on allocation lists.

Below are the CA wines that seem to come up at auction (at least on the east coast). They are not necessarily the "hottest wines" but they are ageable and have stood the test of time.

Dominus
Montelena
Beringer Private Reserve
BV Georges de Latour
Opus One
Ridge Monte Bello
Araujo Eisle Vineyard
La Jota
Screaming Eagle (good luck)
Harlan Estate (good luck)
Diamond Creek
Niebaum-Coppola
Stag's Leap Cask 23
Modavi Private Reserve (2001 and earlier)
Colgin
Heitz Cellars
Dunn Howell Mtn
Spottswoode
Caymus Special Selection
(I'm sure I'm leaving some out but this made me tired and thirsty

)

You will not get any deals with these wines. They are like buying 1st or 2nd growths, but over time, you stand to make the most on your investment. If I were you, I'd start collecting a Dominus vertical--great wine especially for someone like you who REALLY loves Bordeaux. (Now let's see what others have to say

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Craig

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/16/2008 10:44:49 PM

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Mondavi, Ridge and Beringer are well-known mass-producers. The interesting thing is that they also have these special reserve productions that target a different audience.

What about Washington reds? I notice a lot of value there. I've been enjoying Januik and Delille. The Walla-walla area (SE Washington) seems to be making a play for Bordeaux style blends. The climate is almost completely dry and warm, therefore irrigation allows them to have great consistency of vintage.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/17/2008 2:58:13 AM

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This is very helpful, you know me well.
I do like to buy at a discount though, or at least at the best price available (globally if I can manage it).
The theory being that this gives me the best chance of having a wine that appreciates.
I find US wines far cheaper in the US, not surprising I guess but rather a discouragement for me.
That's a big reason I want to be able to lay wines down in the US (other posts).
Still if I can at first work out what I'd like to own, it's a big first step for me (if not mankind).
Once again thanks, I look forward to the comments.
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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/17/2008 6:16:51 AM

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Knocking them off one by one -
http://www.cellartracker.com/forum/m_12580/mpage_10/key_/tm.htm#22817

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/18/2008 2:42:36 PM

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Let the new region of the week (which usually last 3 months) begin- Australia. I picked up to bottles of Glaetezer today, acutally 2 hours ago at the Wine Exchange in Orange, Ca. I'm excited to try them out. I bought the 2006 Wallace Shiraz/Grenache and the 2005 Godolphin. What else do people recommend in the $20-40 usd range. I'm excited for the Godolphin as I bought it for $34.99 and everywhere else is $45+.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/18/2008 3:10:11 PM

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As far as New worlds go I really like Wallace, thought it was better then Bishop, Bishop being all shiraz and Wallace a shiraz,grenache blend.

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Let the new region of the week (which usually last 3 months) begin- Australia. I picked up to bottles of Glaetezer today, acutally 2 hours ago at the Wine Exchange in Orange, Ca. I'm excited to try them out. I bought the 2006 Wallace Shiraz/Grenache and the 2005 Godolphin. What else do people recommend in the $20-40 usd range. I'm excited for the Godolphin as I bought it for $34.99 and everywhere else is $45+.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/19/2008 1:21:22 AM

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Anyone tried aged Hunter Valley Semillions before? To my money, great value for one of the world's great white wines. Most Hunter Semillions are delicate, flinty, sometimes over citrus and rather simple when young. But after 15 years, wow - they open up to complex, smooth, nutty wines with deep intriguing flavours. Some are real stunners.

I usually do not have the patience to wait the 15 years, so I make a raid down to Sydney and then the Hunter from Singapore every year to grab a few "museum releases" from the vineyards. Personal favourites are:

Mount Pleasant (Lovedale or Elizabeth Semillions); and
Tyrrell's Vat 1 Semillion.

On another note, I also try to time my visit to coincide with the release of Lake's Folly's insanely popular and hard to find Chardonnay. It's a good little wine, but sometimes more hype than quality I think. There are better Chards from Australia, though usually at higher prices. I usually buy more of the red Bordeaux-like blends (with some amount of Syrah added), as I find them really interesting and, at the best vintages, age worthy.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/19/2008 4:22:23 AM

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I'm still looking for advice myself, collecting at the moment, drinking comes next!
Remembet to look for Glaetzer Anaperenna Shiraz Cabernet in 2006 (formerly called Godolphin).
L.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/19/2008 10:41:53 AM

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Got a bottle stashed away in a warehouse. Would love to try it and let you know what I think, but since I have one bottle, I'm not going to touch it. Ben Glaetzer's wines appear to show their best after a quite a bit of time (by new world standards at least) in the cellar.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/20/2008 8:54:42 AM

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Craig - A good list and as you say if it's not just for drinking, an exit strategy is also needed.

Having dipped a little toe in the water these are some of the wines I've picked up (and would continue to pick up) so would concur with your sentiment.

Also Colonel - most are priced internationally so should be available via the UK and reasonable prices.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/21/2008 5:05:43 AM

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Also Colonel - most are priced internationally so should be available via the UK and reasonable prices.

Not my experience to date (reasonable UK prices for CA wines) although my major efforts have gone into Chile and Australia so far.
Point out any bargains you see - cheers.
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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/21/2008 6:56:12 AM

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CL, do you ever contact California wineries direct? Sometimes, not usually, the price from winery is less and they can ship to one of your storage locations. I've started a habit of double-checking winery pricing vs. retailer and have saved $$ on a few purchases.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/21/2008 7:34:19 AM

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Sounds like a good suggestion. I get most of my Australian wines from the wineries. With the high alcohol tax in Australia (23% I think), the crazy exchange rates and the horrible mark-ups that good wine shops charge, I find that it is not worth buying anything if not direct from the winery.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/21/2008 7:36:23 AM

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CL, do you ever contact California wineries direct? Sometimes, not usually, the price from winery is less and they can ship to one of your storage locations. I've started a habit of double-checking winery pricing vs. retailer and have saved $$ on a few purchases.

No, but I have considered setting up a US storage facility and worrying about physically getting hold of the wine later.
Haven't taken the step though.
I think if I was there I'd be snapping up the Costco bin ends - do Screaming Eagles get binned

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/21/2008 7:55:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: fingers

I think if I was there I'd be snapping up the Costco bin ends - do Screaming Eagles get binned

No, but Mouton, Las Cases, Haut Brion, Lafite, Cheval Blanc, Jaboulet Hermitage La Chapelle, Dominus, Dom Perignon do--amazing!

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/23/2008 6:44:47 AM

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quote:

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Sounds like a good suggestion. I get most of my Australian wines from the wineries. With the high alcohol tax in Australia (23% I think), the crazy exchange rates and the horrible mark-ups that good wine shops charge, I find that it is not worth buying anything if not direct from the winery.

Paul - Try these guys, they ship by the case and refund all the Aussie tax. It normally covers the freight to HK. They also send via Aussie Post which tended to slip via customs, although now not an issue.

http://www.mrwines.com/Shop/shopdisplaycategories.asp

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/23/2008 7:04:05 AM

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Cheers mate - that is an excellent resource! Wish we had no wine tax in Singapore too!

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/23/2008 2:28:14 PM

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Couldn't agree more on WA reds and not just because I live here!

http://www.cellartracker.com/forum/Annual_Walla_Walla_Wine_Trek/m_22100/tm.htm

Walla Walla definitely has a bunch of great wineries, many are terrific values and most have the feel of a boutique winery.

Most of the wineries local in the Puget Sound area source their grapes from Central Washington but do the actual production locally. Some great values locally but many more higher end wineries (at least the prices are higher end!)

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RE: Best New World Reds - 6/24/2008 6:55:06 AM

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Have just received an e-mail offering Rotllan Torra 05 pre-release. It seems to be a Parker favourite and at GBP36 per bottle OK value. Having had a search through CT tasting notes, the 01 seemed to be very good.

Any views?

Wrighty

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RE: Best New World Reds - 7/2/2008 11:25:04 AM

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Never heard of it I'm afraid, lot's of the world left to do for me.

What about 2005 Sine Qua Non Syrah Atlantis Fe203~1a, b & c
Apart from "silly name"

Very strong opinions have been voiced elsewhere, so I thought I'd bring it to the appropriate place.

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RE: Best New World Reds - 7/2/2008 4:35:01 PM

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I rather enjoy the following from Chile:

Montes Alpha M
Montes Alpha Purple Angel
Casa Lapostolle Clos Apalta

And if you are in the mood for a real South American bargain (Argentina) - how about this Rothchild/Catena collaboaration..

Bodegas Caro (Barons de Rothschild / Catena) Amancaya Malbec Cabernet Sauvignon

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RE: Best New World Reds - 7/3/2008 3:14:19 AM

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Bought the Montes Alpha M 2005.

Do you have a preference between the Caro and Amancaya?
CTers are quite split.

L.

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