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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/1/2008 9:12:55 PM   
apes

 

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I'm like you, only 14% older than 2000.
I tend to just buy from supermarkets my todays drinking, anticipating the future!
Very happy to receive all advice, I have Bordeaux pretty well sewn up, but all else I do adhoc.
Cheers,
L.


PS  I think I've said I may just try and pick up a few 1st's and some fav's in 2007, but certainly won't be buying heavily, unless the Bordelais crash their prices (which they won't).
Looking at some nice 2004 Aussie Shiraz right now (95/6 WA and half the price of equivalent Bordeaux)

Try "2005 Domaine Terlato & Chapoutier Shiraz Lieu dit Malakoff" inexpensive $35. What have you tried or are looking at?

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/2/2008 4:17:53 AM   
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2004

Shiraz Underhill, Yarra Yerring




2004

Shiraz Black Guts, Rusden


2004

Shiraz The Dead Arm, D'Arenberg
 

Never heard of your rec., nor seen it advertised.  I suspect 90+% of exports go to the USA.


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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/2/2008 1:07:43 PM   
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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/2/2008 1:55:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Dead Arm is consistently good year to year.  It is widely available here.

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/3/2008 1:36:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interestingly the "Black Guts" costs 50% more than either of the other two.
L.

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/3/2008 4:09:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bought a case of all three.  Negotiated 20 quid off the Black Guts, so in spite of our ridiculous UK duty (almost $3 per std btl) and then VAT @ +17.5% I managed to pay approx. US prices.
L.

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/10/2008 5:11:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I saw your recommendation for the 2005 Chateau Puynormond.  I see there are several different "versions" of this wine -- i.e., some have additional parts to the name when I pull it up on Cellar Tracker(I'm new to all this as you can tell).  Which one is the one you have recommended?  Thanks so much.  Egg.

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/10/2008 5:16:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Which 2005 Chateau Puynormond were you recommending?  I see that there are several from this vintner.  I'm new to this.  Thanks.  Egg

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/10/2008 6:35:37 PM   
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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/13/2008 6:29:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I got serious about collecting wine the 05 Bordeaux futures were just coming on the market. Not knowing that much but being partial to French wines and not wanting to be left out of this great vintage I read numerous articles and checked ratings, crossed my fingers and took the plunge with the following:

Canon La Gaffelliere
Beychevelle
Calon Segur
Clerc Milon
Clos de la Oratoire
Sociando Mallet
Talbot
Pontet Canet
Moulin St Georges
Pibran
Giscours
Haut Bailly
Leoville Poyferre
La Grange
Bel Air Le Lande
Vieux Chevrol
Carignan Primaa
Pavie Aromes de Pavie
La Bourree
de Grandchampe
Terter de Sarpe.

Mostly I only bought 3 each and figured that I might drink one of them to see what they're like and leave the other for my kids. My son calls them liquid assets!

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/13/2008 1:59:31 PM   
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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/14/2008 3:33:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Or, drink one (with the kids when they're old enough; you've got to wait to do justice to the 2005's), save two.
Then sell one after it's doubled in price (you might then buy some better value New World wines).
Finally you've still got one to think about, drink, give to the kids, whatever: they say anticipation is half the fun.
Cheers,
L.


Now if only you'd started with the 2000 vintage and bought cases ;)

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/14/2008 3:52:52 AM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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Status: offline 		Oh nice spread by the way.
Of yours I bought:

Calon Segur (2030)
Clerc Milon   (2030)
Clos de la Oratoire (2021)
Talbot (2024)
Pontet Canet (2020)
& Leoville Poyferre (2030)

I suspect you may drink yours before me (although not sure I can hang on 'til 2030!); remember to report back.
L.


PS  Also interesting to see how the Talbot does as it's the only one Parker scored below 90pts, (88-90).

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/15/2008 1:14:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure I will be in much shape to drink these wines in their prime, unless it is thru a straw or a syringe in a nursing home!

When I do open one I'll post my notes and hope to remember to let you guys know.

I have a 90 pt rating on the Talbot but then I tend to average several ratings together to give me a guideline.

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/15/2008 1:21:32 PM   
coach

 

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Status: offline 		Somehow I have a maturity date range on the Pontet-Canet of
2015 - 46. Got that from either WS or WA.

What do you think?

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/15/2008 2:51:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just looked on RP website and the last drinking window for the Pontet-Canet was 2012-2035.

Interestingly, the year before he tasted the wine and gave it an end date of 2062!!  What do you think made him take 27 yrs of life off the wine?

Coach, don't be hard on yourself, you have a great list and will be able to enjoy many of those wines--at least from an actuarial standpoint.  Think of it as an investment in your longevity :-)

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/16/2008 2:10:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I look upon my wines as yet one more reason to have a very long life.
And may we all - just drink good red wine every day and remember ..

Life is too short to drink bad wine

 
 
Old wine and old friends are enough provision
Good wine praises itself
In water one sees one's own face, but in wine one beholds the heart of another
There are more old wine drinkers than old doctors
Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and be saved
One barrel of wine can work more miracles than a church full of saints
Drink a glass of wine after your soup, and you steal a ruble from the doctor
With wine and hope, anything is possible
Good wine ruins the purse; bad wine ruins the stomach
 

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/16/2008 5:58:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you desire longer life through red wine, I suggest trying the Madiran appellation south of Bordeaux.  These wines are largely made from a grape known as Tannat which has the greatest concentration of polyphenolic acids felt to have cardiovascular health benefits.  I have tried them and they can be quite good for everyday drinking.  The Tannat grape has also been adopted in Uruguay.

See link for further info:  www.truevineimports.com/gpage9.html

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Philosophy of Drinking - 4/16/2008 10:12:47 AM   
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"Sometimes when I reflect back on all the wine I drink
I feel shame    Then I look into the glass and think
about the workers in the vineyards and all of their hopes
and dreams . If I didn't drink this wine, they might be out
of work and their dreams would be shattered.  
Then I say to myself, "It is better that I drink this wine and let their
dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver."
~ Jack Handy

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may leave you wondering what the hell
happened to your bra and panties.
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"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they
wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're
going to feel all day. "
~Frank Sinatra

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may create the illusion that you are tougher,smarter, faster and better looking than most people.
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"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading."
~ Henny Youngman

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may lead you to think people are laughing WITH you.
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"24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence?   I think not."
~ Stephen Wright

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to think you can sing.
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"When we drink, we get drunk. When we get drunk,
we fall asleep. When we fall asleep, we commit no sin.
When we commit no sin, we go to heaven. So, let's all
get drunk and go to heaven!"
~ Brian O'Rourke

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause pregnancy.
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"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
~ Benjamin Franklin

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol is a major factor in dancing like a gypsy.
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"Without question, the greatest invention in the
history of mankind is beer. Oh, I grant you that the
wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does
not go nearly as well with pizza."
~ Dave Barry

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to tell your friends over and over again that you love them.
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To some ! it's a six-pack, to me it's a Support Group. Salvation in a can!
~ Dave Howell

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may make you think you can logically converse with members of the opposite sex without spitting.
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And saving the best for last, as explained by Cliff Clavin, of Cheers.
One afternoon at Cheers, Cliff Clavin was explaining the Buffalo Theory to his buddy Norm.
Here's how it went:

"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo   can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may make you think you are whispering when you are not



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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/17/2008 12:53:53 AM   
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Now you're not getting me with an April 1st posting (I am gullible).

Great quotes coach - reckon I only have fast brain cells left ;)

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/17/2008 5:40:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, the benefits of Tannat are not a joke--now you just have to see if you like the wine.  I find it good--not great--but certainly better than most everyday California wine.

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/17/2008 6:01:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Or according to the man I could go for the 2004 Margaux?

"......Paul Pontallier is pleased with the 2004 Margaux, considering it to be a revelation after the final blend was made. (he) called it “neo-classic” to suggest the sweetness of the tannins and a style that he finds similar to 1996... (78% Cabernet Sauvignon, 18% Merlot, and 4% Petit Verdot), and it has a very high index of polyphenols (tannins)."
Robert Parker, April 2005.


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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/17/2008 6:06:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are right!  I prefer Margaux (actually though I have Margaux in my cellar, I have never actually tried it) but you can probably buy 2 cases of Domaine Capmartin Madiran  for one bottle of Margaux--your choice :-)

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/17/2008 11:55:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have just one bottle of Margaux 2004, but it is a big one - 6 litres (8 bottles)
Not quite sure what I was thinking at the time, but it's nice to know that with all those healthy polyphenols it  will keep me alive for ever!
Second thoughts I might just die on the spot - what a way to go.
Just need Parker to push the 2028 further out.

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/18/2008 4:36:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think a 6L bottle would break my racks.  I'm trying to think of the type of event (other than my funeral) that would compel me to break out a 6L bottle of Margaux.  I suppose that gets me back to the subject of a CT Wine Festival...

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 4/18/2008 6:31:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cgrimes

I think a 6L bottle would break my racks.  I'm trying to think of the type of event (other than my funeral) that would compel me to break out a 6L bottle of Margaux.  I suppose that gets me back to the subject of a CT Wine Festival...



I'd need a lot of notice, but would certainly be up for it.
L.

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 9/28/2008 12:53:38 AM   
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Haven't seen much mention on board of the 2005's easing in price.
Any thoughts?
 
This is from one of my suppliers:
"One of the key narratives of the past 6 months has been the downward
trajectory of most top 2005 Bordeaux in light of R.Parker’s lackluster in-bottle scores. Whilst 2005 retains very
positive approval ratings with consumers and critics it is increasingly clear that its peers in the 2003/2000/1996 vintages
are the real target of both consumption and investment demand and that the 2005 price premia will decline
markedly.
It is apparent that the heady periods of growth that characterized the fine wine market through 2005 and 2006 have
passed and that a period of more modest (trend) growth is to be expected. Yet, the difficult financial conditions alluded
to above have made a diversified assets, such as fine wine, arguably more attractive than ever. With the
broader wine market showing an 8+% increase for the year to date this compares very favourably with the declines
of between 15-50% for developed and emerging market equity indices. As such it is not surprising that the market is
continuing to attract interest from private and institutional investors. Indeed the recent Christie’s sale of almost £2m
of 2000 vintage Bordeaux (98% sold by value with high prices achieved on a number of lines—Lafite 2000
GBP11,000 and Latour GBP9,200) illustrates that even in the heart of a financial storm real demand for fine wine
remains exceedingly robust."
Note these are not my comments, with the inevitablly poor 2008 I can't see how most wines from earlier, better vintages can't increase in price - must be my economics training.

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 9/28/2008 6:34:05 PM   
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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 9/29/2008 1:57:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: petitblanc

I agree with the reference to the 1996 wines, many of which seem to be hitting their stride very nicely right now, can still be found at fair prices, and are in more of a traditional style which I favor.


Seems a good place to look, I need something to drink waiting for 2000's anyway.
L.

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RE: 2005 Bordeaux - 9/29/2008 3:59:29 AM   
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Status: online 		petitblanc which 1996's have you tried lately that are "hitting their stride"?

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