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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/10/2008 11:18:59 PM   
Colonel Lawrence

 

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Or a game of Cludo?

Cos did it, on the left bank, with a large amount of Cabernet Sauvignon.

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 12:28:34 AM   
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It's really just another reason to talk about wine.


Doh!  Stupid me.  Of course!!!

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 7:43:23 AM   
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Domaine Laroche Chablis Grand Cru Les Clos (France, Burgundy, Chablis, Chablis Grand Cru) 1996
Domaine des Baumard Quarts de Chaume (France, Loire Valley, Anjou-Saumur, Quarts de Chaume) 1996

Two more whites, tied for #1 in 1998


There's a Burgundy right there! The next bottle (looking at the shape) should be either a Burg or Rhone or a new world variant.

I had the Seghesio Old Vine Zin recently. While I agree it's nothing awesomely special, I thought it was a cracking wine for its price.

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 8:03:10 AM   
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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 8:24:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow!!  A lot of people I have heard were speculating that the 05 Pontet Canet was going to be number 1.  I am surprised to see it at #7. 

Looking at the shape of the bottles and labels on the website I was thinking it was #2 (I know, it's geeky to say that I am guessing on based on this, but I find it fun).

Since a lot of us have just recently had the 04 Beaucastel, what are your thoughts on the 05 being #8?  Now I am curious to try one of these to see how the two vintages differ.  WS talks about the 05 being "dense and explosive," which I didn't really find in the 04.


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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 8:29:49 AM   
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Since a lot of us have just recently had the 04 Beaucastel, what are your thoughts on the 05 being #8?  Now I am curious to try one of these to see how the two vintages differ. 



Since I held off on the '04 last weekend...and I have two bottles of the '05...I guess I have a good reason to do the experiment.  You'll have to wait for (American) Thanksgiving though - unless someone beats me to it.  I need a good reason to pop those two on the same day...and a couple of football games (again, American) to spread them over.

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 8:35:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had the 05 Beaucastel just a little while ago and I thought it was quite fantastic despite it's young age and much better then the 04.

As for Pontet-Canet being 7th, that's a big surprise to me.  I would have expected that to be much higher.

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 8:36:35 AM   
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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 8:46:50 AM   
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Status: online 		I just came over here from viewing WS #'s 8 & 7 ... with Pontet Canet at #7 I can only imagine there must be a couple raging threads over at WS and eBob forums today alot of people called Pontet Canet as #1.  We have to remember that all the editors re-taste the wines before making the Top 100, therefore some wines (such as the P-C, apparently) are not going to "score" as highly as when one individual editor reviewed it months prior.  Perhaps Suckling overshot his mark with the P-C?  I wouldn't know, I haven't tasted it.

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 9:09:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bear in mind that they have the release price on the PC at $100, which is getting up there in relation to other high scoring wines such as the DM and MSE. both of which were released quite a bit cheaper.  That might have had some bearing on it being down in #7.  At least it won't result in a big price hike like what happens with #1. 

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 9:14:37 AM   
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Status: online 		wow ... I didn't realize WS's release price on the P-C was $100 ... I assumed it was closer to $60.  That may very well explain it's surprise #7 showing.

Still praying DM doesn't win ... although that would bring me some vindication with the wife, who was a bit taken aback when I bought 5 of 'em.  Even at the $50-$60 I paid for 'em, I think that's a great deal, especially if it's better than the '04, which I hear it is.

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 9:16:43 AM   
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I wonder how many cases of these wines the WS employees have been buying leading up to the release of the results?


Seriously....It's like legal insider trading.


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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 9:20:40 AM   
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wow ... I didn't realize WS's release price on the P-C was $100 ... I assumed it was closer to $60.  That may very well explain it's surprise #7 showing.

Still praying DM doesn't win ... although that would bring me some vindication with the wife, who was a bit taken aback when I bought 5 of 'em.  Even at the $50-$60 I paid for 'em, I think that's a great deal, especially if it's better than the '04, which I hear it is.


That's going to be a fantastic deal if it gets #1.  It will likely increase quite significantly.  Sell 2 of them after it gets number one and I would bet you will be able to drink at least 2 of the other 3 for free. 


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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 9:29:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: grafstrb

wow ... I didn't realize WS's release price on the P-C was $100 ... I assumed it was closer to $60.  That may very well explain it's surprise #7 showing.

Still praying DM doesn't win ... although that would bring me some vindication with the wife, who was a bit taken aback when I bought 5 of 'em.  Even at the $50-$60 I paid for 'em, I think that's a great deal, especially if it's better than the '04, which I hear it is.


That's going to be a fantastic deal if it gets #1.  It will likely increase quite significantly.  Sell 2 of them after it gets number one and I would bet you will be able to drink at least 2 of the other 3 for free. 



Very good point ... but I really like the wine ... I probably wouldn't drink a couple others for "free," but rather buy a couple bottles of some other wine that is more expensive than I'd normally pop for ... or, I'll just keep the DM and enjoy the spectacle of opening a WOTY each time I pop one.  ... the WOTY designation would make it a bit more glamorous at a dinner party, for example.

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 9:51:02 AM   
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Bear in mind that they have the release price on the PC at $100, which is getting up there in relation to other high scoring wines such as the DM and MSE. both of which were released quite a bit cheaper.  That might have had some bearing on it being down in #7.  At least it won't result in a big price hike like what happens with #1. 


I think that a release price of $100 is not too bad given that I paid $80/bottle for futures in 2006.

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 9:53:11 AM   
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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 9:56:56 AM   
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I paid $83 at Costco earlier this year.


So much for savings en primeur!

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 10:01:30 AM   
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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 10:03:56 AM   
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you got the amount you wanted.  I got 1 bottle.  


Good point....except that I only bought 1 bottle

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 10:21:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Beaucastel 05 I tasted was dark, dense, concentrated, and tight as a drum.

If it develops as expected it will be a beauty, but not until 2012 at least (more like 2015++ before you enter a smooth drinking phase).

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 10:42:22 AM   
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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 11:05:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RoundersRob

Bear in mind that they have the release price on the PC at $100, which is getting up there in relation to other high scoring wines such as the DM and MSE. both of which were released quite a bit cheaper.  That might have had some bearing on it being down in #7.  At least it won't result in a big price hike like what happens with #1. 


I think that a release price of $100 is not too bad given that I paid $80/bottle for futures in 2006.


Well, there you go:  just got emailed from the local shop for the P-C at $160.

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 11:07:32 AM   
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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 11:09:38 AM   
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Well, there you go:  just got emailed from the local shop for the P-C at $160.


Bob, Total Wine in Tustin has it for $130.  Not that this is all that much better, but it is one of the cheapest around.


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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 11:15:18 AM   
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This doesn't of course mean it's actually in stock.
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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 2:34:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also had the 05 Beaucastel.  Tighter than a Nun's cheeks but should be good in a few (5?) years.  Local distributor offering 06 for next year (DEC 09) delivery at about $90 USD on the shelf.  Too bad the P C didn't go higher.  Does the WOTY look like a Gaja to anyone else?

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 3:09:26 PM   
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From a WS prospective, if they are going to hype 05 bordeaux like they did then they need an 05 bordeaux as number 1.  Just like last year when they hyped 05 CdP.


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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 3:16:56 PM   
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Does the WOTY look like a Gaja to anyone else?


It does not have the traditional Gaja bottle shape...

Although Gaja does use a variety of bottle shapes too, so who knows...

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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 3:39:12 PM   
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RE: WS Top Ten countdown thread... - 11/11/2008 4:01:43 PM   
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I did have the Sperss in mind.


Yeah, it could actually be the Sperss...



I think I will go out tomorrow and buy the 2003 and 2004 Sperss just in case you are right...

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