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question to Maestro and Piemontephiles - 8/24/2008 1:14:50 PM   
Serge Birbrair

 

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I am running very low on aged Nebbiolo and would appreciate your advise.

Is there anything I should put my hands on in under $200 range?
http://www.chambersstwines.com/Browse.asp?browsetype=Wines&categoryid=23&GrapeVarietalID=0&vintage=0&price=0&page=1
 
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RE: question to Maestro and Piemontephiles - 8/24/2008 8:00:00 PM   
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I haven't tasted any of these, and the big names/big formats are expensive. The other problem is the aging requirements; you're just not going to get your pleasure for some time on any of the recent vintages.

This is an excellent producer that typically sells at a reasonable price. The 1999 is awesome, and the 2001 rates higher. WA's Galloni is much more careful with his ratings, and there is a big difference between his 93pt and 95pt. The style here will likely be tar and cherry now (but probably tannic or a bit harsh), moving to iron, mushroom, leather as it ages. 2001 is considered to be a good, structured year which requires at least another five or ten years of aging. More aromatic styles might not be closed down, but structured styles are no where near ready.
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$85. Cavallotto 2001 Barolo Riserva Bricco Boschis San Giuseppe


This is a very reputable, traditional-style producer, at a good price:
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$94 Conterno, Giacomo 2003 Barolo Cascina Francia
There's no '03 Monfortino, so all of the fruit went to the Cascina Francia - and it's a wine that transcends the vintage. When you have a wine that will age for 20+ years, who needs Monfortino? The wine is rich, dark, concentrated, but showed none of the aggressive tannin and tomato-y fruit that's so common in 2003. I think it's a classic in the making - but it needs a lot of time in your cellar. JW


1996 is a very good year, and Ceretto is a good producer. This one is an easy risk to take, without looking up the TNs:
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$74. Ceretto 1996 Barolo Prapo


You've got a shot at some older wines from G. Mascarello. He is viewed as another traditionalist, and I have really gotten tremendous pleasure out of his entry level wine which is as well-priced as Cavallotto. In my (modest) experience, "traditional" means that the wines lean to the muscular, tar and iron, rather than intense, aromatic, integrated fruit. 1997 is a warm, fruity year that should come into its drinking window earlier, so you might splurge this one, as the Ca d'Morissio is G. Mascarello's flagship vineyard:
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$225 Mascarello, Guiseppe 1997 Barolo Riserva Cà D'Morissio


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RE: question to Maestro and Piemontephiles - 8/25/2008 7:17:58 AM   
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I would go with these wines from the ones listed under $200:

Cavallotto 2001 Barolo Riserva Bricco Boschis San Giuseppe
Ceretto 1964 Barolo Riserva
Ceretto 1985 Barbaresco Asij
Ceretto 1985 Barbaresco Bricco Asili
Ceretto 1996 Barolo Prapo
Cordero di Montezemolo 1990 Barolo Monfalletto
Manzoni - Valentino 1990 Barolo Vigna Big
Manzoni - Valentino 1990 Barolo Vigna d'la Roul
Manzoni - Valentino 1996 Barolo Cappella di Santo Stefano
Manzoni - Valentino 1996 Barolo Vigna d'la Roul

I would drink the ´64, the´85 and the ´90 now, and cellar the ´96 and the ´01 for another 5 and 10 years respectively.

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RE: question to Maestro and Piemontephiles - 8/25/2008 8:19:38 AM   
Serge Birbrair

 

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Got it all all plus  Prunotto,
thanks!

Birger reminded me I had Manzone at his house in Denmark

http://birger.fotoupload.dk/files/print_img.php?fil=12513

Cavalotto is to young for me, I'll be dead when the wine is ready.

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RE: question to Maestro and Piemontephiles - 11/17/2008 1:41:40 AM   
Serge Birbrair

 

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ORIGINAL: Maestro

I would go with these wines from the ones listed under $200:

Cavallotto 2001 Barolo Riserva Bricco Boschis San Giuseppe
Ceretto 1964 Barolo Riserva
Ceretto 1985 Barbaresco Asij
Ceretto 1985 Barbaresco Bricco Asili
Ceretto 1996 Barolo Prapo
Cordero di Montezemolo 1990 Barolo Monfalletto
Manzoni - Valentino 1990 Barolo Vigna Big
Manzoni - Valentino 1990 Barolo Vigna d'la Roul
Manzoni - Valentino 1996 Barolo Cappella di Santo Stefano
Manzoni - Valentino 1996 Barolo Vigna d'la Roul

I would drink the ´64, the´85 and the ´90 now, and cellar the ´96 and the ´01 for another 5 and 10 years respectively.


Opened Ceretto 1964 Barolo Riserva yesterday.
Terrific wine!
http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=533152

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RE: question to Maestro and Piemontephiles - 12/8/2008 5:12:12 AM   
Serge Birbrair

 

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1964 Barolo Prunotto -
I had dinner with friends yesterday and one of them brought the young Russian couple I never met before. Like the lots of other "uts" I know, they were drinking tequilla, while some others were drinking vodka or "non vino crowd pleasers" wines. One word led to another and all of a sudden the tequilla drinking ut started talking about wine and showed lots of knowledge on the subject, something I least expected from the guy.

I had to pull this bottle when I found that the oldest bottle he ever had was 1996 Barolo.

Morale of the story:
Don't judge the book by the cover and uts by what they start dinner with.
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