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v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 12:24:47 AM

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This is a feature I have been wanting for quite a while, and it seems to give the site a snappier, more professional feel. I am very interesting in your feedback on this one.

Prototype of "paging" for the main cellar list

I'm hurrying this out, because I want to get feedback on what is a pretty big user interface change. I don't know about you, but I have found the site to be a bit slow at rendering my main cellar list. It turns out that the server wasn't actually having any problems, but the HTML for my complete cellar list is a whopping 350kb, wow! Anyway, to make the download smaller and the response much faster, I have built a prototype "paging" feature which shows you 30 rows (15 on a PocketPC) at a time with controls at the top of the screen to let you navigate. That brings the typical screen down to 15KB. I have been playing with this for a couple of days, and I actually like it much more as I no longer have to scroll. It does have its annoyance, but for me I tend to search on producer, wine or region name anyway, so this hasn't gotten in my way. Anyway, this is just a quick and dirty implementation. Assuming we all like it I will clean up the code and make it work for most or all of the other views on the site. I think you are going to like it, but I want to hear your feedback...

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 12:34:55 AM

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Well, just you wait when I do it on the inventory view. It will make your PocketPC a bezillion times faster. Now if you are used to scrolling halfway down your wine list you will have to get used to the navigation buttons.

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 12:36:37 AM

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I never use the All Wines view anyway, so let her rip. However, I would like to have the DrinkBy view show all the wines for a specific value (currently, I can't get at the DrinkBy from the advanced search page, otherwise, I would use that). I almost always just look at DrinkBy <= current year + 1.

Thanks for your continuing quest for excellence!

I will make the paging something that can be bypassed. I will also add DrinkBy filtering on the Advanced Query page. I half forgot that you are just working off the URL I sent you a long time ago.

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 1:14:17 AM

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Eric

I can see why this is great for you all .. but for me its actualy less good - as 1. i dont need it. 2. makes going through the list a little less fun

anyway to add back an option on top "view on one page" or something?

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 6:04:03 AM

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This breaks the Excel query, which might be a big problem. I think this needs to be optional and configurable. Configuration might include paging on? (y/n) and page size. Another way of solving this, might be better filtering options.

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 8:31:26 AM

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I agree about making it configurable. On a fast connection, the HTML size just wasn't that big a deal. (Have you thought about turning on ZIP compression?)

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 8:40:33 AM

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Lorien, yes, I should do a better job of remembering the perspective of someone who has a more normal amount of wine in their cellar. (Yes, that is you.) I *just* added an option to the site to show all of the wines in your cellar. Pick the "All" choice at the bottom of the paging dropdown. I hope that diminishes the annoyance for now.

Paul, whoops, breaking the spreadsheet is bad, I will fix that this weekend. I need to make a special view for the spreadsheet anyway that does less visual munging og the data. That is a trivial weekend project.

Ultimately I don't think there is a one-size fits all approach to this, so here is what I intend to do:

For every single view on the site each user will be able to specify a 'paging window' among choices of 20, 30, 40, 50, 100, 200, or ALL. I might even let you set the window differently for PocketPC devices and regular browsers.

I do reserve the right to have some of the multi-user views to not allow the ALL option. For example, showing the complete list of all the wines in all the cellars is a multi-megabyte download. I have better ways to use my server (and my bandwidth which I do pay for above a certain limit) than to dish this out, and it is slow as can be. There will be others.

But the gist is that nearly any page that you would care about I will let you set a choice and SAVE IT IN THE DATABASE so that it happens automatically when you visit that page again.

Sound good?

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 8:41:55 AM

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I agree about making it configurable. On a fast connection, the HTML size just wasn't that big a deal. (Have you thought about turning on ZIP compression?)

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Yes, I will make it configurable. Use it for a few days as it is and see what you think. How do I turn on ZIP compression? Is this some sort of IIS setting?

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 10:38:05 AM

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Re: IIS 5.0 Compression Option

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/iis/iis5/maintain/featusability/httpcomp.asp

Not certain all browsers would support this on the client end, especially cell phone based ones!

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 11:18:53 AM

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Wow, I had no idea. Thanks for the link!

I will play with that a bit, but I have a feeling that our desire to support a broad range of browsers will rule this out.

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 11:21:56 AM

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It looks like the server is smart enough to know if the browser supports the feature and to react appropriately.

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 4:22:55 PM

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Cool, I will check it out...

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/14/2003 4:24:31 PM

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thanks Eric:) and by the way it wasn't annoying. i just like to see all of them on one page.. due to my small list (compard to your 1000 + hehehe)

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RE: v 1.5.4 release notes - 11/17/2003 7:07:07 PM

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Re: IIS 5.0 Compression Option

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/iis/iis5/maintain/featusability/httpcomp.asp

Not certain all browsers would support this on the client end, especially cell phone based ones!

This rocks. I am running with this on the server now. It is a huge, beefy, dual proc box that barely registers processor activity right now, so burning some CPU for compression seems like a great way to utilize all that power. I can't say for sure, but it seems as if the big pages are now DRAMATICALLY faster. Cool, awesome tip guys!

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