Like other notes this wine came out of the bottle with a bitter alcohol, tobacco and very dry black fruit on the nose. I had 6 bottles so wanted to try one, definitely needs more cellar time. After about 2 hours it did open up and much softer on the nose. Nice fruit and long finish on the palette in the last 30 minutes. Much improvement over the evening in the wine but again I will not open another bottle up for a couple more years.
I've had more bad CDP wines from 2007 than good. This was my first tasting experience with the '07 Charvin. However, it is important to note that I pulled only one glass out with my Coravin and only allowed it to breath for ~30 min. Bottom line: I initially didn't like it... stewed prunes and raisin, high alcohol, disjointed, and a tight tannic finish. After 30 - 45 min in the glass, it began to improve and the pieces came together. The nose began to soar from the glass in a pleasant way. Nevertheless, I still could not get over the over extraction on the finish that I have found more times than not on '07 CDP. It was almost hard to drink. I will drink the rest of this bottle next weekend, but will decant it for at least two hours to see if that makes a difference. More to come...
Absolutely tight as a drum which was a surprise as I just had the 2012 that was open and ready to go just the week prior. Dense concentrated dark fruit notes with plenty of anise and fennel, some earth and spices and a wall of tannin's on the finish. Didn't budge much after a few hour decant. Structure for days just needs more cellar time.
Nose - blueberry, chocolate Mouth - very ripe dark berry, high alcohol noted on the heated finish. Initially juicy & enjoyable, but after time seeing this as being more Disjointed and actually hard to drink.
Annual CDP tasting (Edina Country Club): Decanted 1 hour, needed a longer decant or ideally more cellar time. I felt it was in about the same place as the 2005 Charvin that was only slow-o'd. The palate is quite bold right now.
Annual Holiday CDP Tasting (Edina, MN): Very dark red color. Decanted for an hour plus at the table, drank 1 glass over 90 minutes. This needed the air, but did show its pedigree pretty well over time. A nice mix of anise, blue and darker red fruits, young, quite intense on the palate, coiled nose. 92+ to 93pts currently. Hold.
2015 CDP Annual Dinner (Edina Country Club): Open and decanted for 3 hours. Nose is all about the spiced cherry fruit. All primary. Jetting soaring, with a huge spike of heat permeating the long finish. This is just way too young.
The concentration on this wine is incredible. It is a potential 95 point wine if not for the flavors of the fruit which were not to my liking nor any of my guests. The fruit palette in this wine shows very Pruney, fig paste and cough drop flavors. Very big flavors and nicely balanced and the tannins are right where they should be. Because of the flavors I have to drop it to 90 pts. If someone enjoys these flavors, this could be a very high scoring wine.
Powerful nose of ripe black fruit, loads of licorice, brown sugar... huge concentration of black fruit, hint of prunes (dissapeared after aeration), very long aftertaste, this wine will live very long!
In a closed place right now. What we did have hinted at being great, elegant and refined. Not a hot mess, like many CdP have been like lately. It should be opulent Grenache at its best when it comes around next. (93-96 range)
Pop and pour, this took about an hour to really come together and then it just kept getting better. Ruby in color. The nose has raspberries, cherries, spice and floral tones. Great texture. I often compare older Saxum's to Ali, then this is Sugar Ray Leonard at its finest. Medium weight, dances with grace and yet has great power. Complex. delicious. Yet, this is still youthful. If you have a bunch, sure drink some. If just a lone bottle, I would wait 3 to 5 but that's just being safe. This will go much longer. Great wine.
A pretty good Charvin from a great vintage. Enormous depth and a few years in the bottle has helped pull the components together. Bright Grenache flavours, charry oak with dried herbs and cured meat. Pretty full flavour profile but has good balance overall.
Lush and a bit soft on the acid with sweet red fruit and spice flavors. My wife loved it. I'd like a bit more acid but all in all still very balanced and friendly. I double decanted for an hour before dinner but didn't really seem necessary. Still relatively primary at this stage. Alc 15% but no detectable heat just a bit of girth to support. Not sure this has the structure to age for a longtime but Ill wait at least 3yrs for my next one to see. 4 left. I went a little crazy and bought 6 on release. Wish I had settled for three. Paid $62.
Je l'attendais beaucoup plus grand dans ce millésime hors norme, sachant que le domaine ne pousse jamais trop loin l'extraction et offre toujours une certaine finesse. Ça demeure un excellent vin, le nez est très expressif sur des notes d'herbes aromatiques et de mûres, encore assez primaire. Beaucoup moins "sucré" et capiteux que certains de ses compatriotes en 2007, il présente une belle finesse et il sera très intéressant de le suivre sur 10-20 ans.
Slow-ox'd 4 hrs, decanted 3 hrs, tasted over 1 hr, Wilson School tasting -med dark red no bricking -expressive pure red fruit grenache -med/med- acidity, med/med+ weight with lot of depth on sappy mid-palate with pure grenache red fruit profile perhaps a touch of spiciness, mild heat on long-ish finish -drinking very well now in early maturity, very approachable and less heat than many '07 southern Rhones recently tasted (perhaps some '07 CdPs still have some hope), clearly more elegant and fruit-driven than '07 Pegau tasted side-by-side
Drank over the course of 2 days. Classic CDP. By far the best Charvin I've ever tasted. The best part is that this wine has a long life ahead of it. Hold onto your bottles for another 2-3 years before opening this gem. Drink 2018-2030+ Highly recommended!!
Way, way too young; the fruit is ample, 2007-style, but the wine tastes like it was made yesterday. From a cool cellar, I grant you that, but still impressive. Just hints of locale, garrigue, and certainly a sense of the Charvin-elegance - but also proof of a warm vintage, which is normally not the best here. Will check back in two years.
Intense, classically styled, with ample concentration and structure to age and develop, the fruit is fresh, sweet and spicy with fresh, black raspberries, cherries, thyme and garrigue. I'm going through many of my 2007 Chateauneuf du Pape's at the moment, and 2007 Charvin is the most youthful and least developed so far. This was produced from a blend of 85% Grenache, 5% Syrah, 5% Mourvedre and 5% Vaccarese.
Fennel. The interesting little seed with so much flavor. Luckily it was in the provincial inspired dinner we had tonight - because this wine wooed it and inspired a true love story. Like Romeo calling up to Juliet's balcony, the anise in the wine seduced the fennel in our meal. But when you have licorice, moist hard rock and a little salt you are in for some Shakespearean drama. Luckily, we finished the bottle with only a little fight over the last drops, but not much else titillation. Important note: we decanted for 2.5 hours.
Dinner with Friends (Shaker Square): Not as good a showing as a prior bottle but still quite good. I really like Charvin for its elegance. This bottle is no exception although it is a bit riper more fruit forward than most years. Lovely cherries on the nose with some spice and black licorice. Medium bodied. Still young but starting to show some maturity. Cherries and dark cherries with a bit of cherry liqueur on the palate. Enough acidity to work with food.
Souper avec Laurent Charvin (Restaurant À L'Os): Un nez discret, avec fruit rouge, kirsch et garrigue. La bouche la plus riche et opulente, très gourmande avec une belle fraicheur. C'est un fruit presque sucré, mais sans qu'il perde de l'équilibre malgré un coté plus chaud. Finale avec des notes végétales nobles intrigantes, qui participent à la fraicheur. Magnifique potentiel, il faut l'attendre encore quelques années. 93+
Far from ready. Colour is not dense but shows little age. Nose ripe and rich. Palate still quite tannic and showing alcohol. My guess at this stage is that it needs the best part of 10 year to reach the development that I like to see in Châteauneuf. My mark is a nominal mark for now. In future it will be a different matter.
After about a 1/2 of air, the nose on this bottle was very expressive with aromas of cherry fruit roll ups, earth, floral notes and garrigue, all of which carried over to the palate. After about 4 hours of double decanting, the exuberant red fruit toned down, leaving a classically styled CDP with garrigue, licorice, earth, black pepper and fairly fine grained leathery tannins on the med length finish. This was quite nice tonight, and while it obviously has a long life ahead of it, it's hard to resist right now.
Zeer donkerrood. In de geur rokerig, lactisch, wat alcoholisch. Dik geconcentreerde wijn, kirsch. Stevige tannines, bittertje, lang aanhoudend. Fraaie combinatie van een traditionele en moderne Chateauneuf. 95+
60 min decant...striking deep ruby color with excellent clarity...bright and layered nose of ripe blackberries/strawberries, wet sandalwood, allspice, and a hint of pepper/heat perhaps due to 15% alcohol...deliciously well-rounded, palate-staining red fruits and a bit of heat on entry which quickly unfolds into feminine and light expressions of toasted oak, earth and vibrant minerality with a firm backbone and long supple finish...very racy, complex and thought provoking
Blind tasted. Developed nose of blackberry, raisin, red flowers, strawberry seed, tobacco. Palate shows rasisins, dates, blackberry, dust, mushroom, med-plus tannins, med plus alcohol. I thought this was Amarone from the raisinated qualities, other guesses were Chinon, Bordeaux, and CDP. Even knowing it was CDP I didn't get that style. This is a huge profile, lots of layers.
Popped and poured. Probably needed several hour decant. Dense wine, with very ripe, concentrated fruit, coffee, some charred elements, and plenty of ripe tannin. This was too closed to really evaluate, and clearly needs some years, but there was a slight roasted element to it that bothered me just a bit. Given track record of Charvin, I will assume this will come together nicely over time but I would not be drinking now. A-?
Twig visit - Chin Chin - Cricket 5th test. Big, dark brooding wine, aniseed/liquorice/cherry, dark/red fruits, hints of spice, plenty of length, very long finish(dare I say New World-ish to a degree). Still a baby, plenty left in the tank - vinfanticide. Decanted before drinking. Wears it's alcohol well, but definitely there. Look forward to this in a few years time. Potential for greatness. Two thumbs up on the yumbo tastiness/enjoyment scale
I didn't take the advice of cellar tracker to hold this wine for now, and i regret it. It was muted for 45 minutes to an hour after opening, and still was fairly closed two hours into drinking. Rich, ripe dark, black fruits just started to show - some coffee/espresso and ripe cherry notes. 15% etoh undetectable. Hold for sure, or do a several hr decant prior to drinking. I suspect a mid 90 point rating will be warranted here.
With Duck Breast/Confit and a molasses reduction. Popped and tasted, primary strawberry aromas and flavors that were light and lifting to the palatte. Slow ox- 5 hrs. This wine put on a ton of weight and became what I expect from CDP. Tannins had softened, and this wine had transformed itself to a beautiful representation of Charvin. This wine will definitely be a treat in 10-15 years. If you must try it, decant for between 5-8 hrs.
1re de 6 bouteilles. Nez charmeur mais un peu discret, sur les herbes, le kirsch, les épices, avec des notes florales et végétales. Bouche massive, charge tannique intense, grande longueur, finale un peu chaude et assez amère. Le fruit se camoufle loin derrière la structure en ce moment, ce qui en fait un vin plutôt austère (surtout pour un 2007). Un CNP pour amateurs de Barolo! Bref, pas le plus charmeur des Chateauneuf, mais une interprétation sans compromis, qui deviendra sans doute plus polie et plus séduisante avec le temps. Grande réussite pour le millésime, Charvin ayant su éviter toute lourdeur alcooleuse ou excès de concentration. Probablement un peu fermé à ce stade, à attendre encore 3-5 ans. 94+
In the bouquet ripe red fruits and youthful lactic impressions. On the palate firm and tight cherries, sweetness, acidity, soft and sticky tannin and bitterness. In this stage the wine is still too young or in a dumb phase. Probably wise to wait until 2015 at least. Can last until into the 2020's.
Wow. Just....wow. Absurdly beautiful nose of dark cherry, blackberry and wet asphault. Big and bold fruit dominates the palate. Juicy and an absolute joy to drink. LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG, spicy finish. Great balance. wonderful CDP.
Grand Rhone Tasting (K&L Wines, San Francisco): Even medium ruby. Beautiful combination of fresh cut flowers and juicy raspberry fruit. Light weight with olive and lavender appearing in the mid-palate and carrying through to the finish. Only loses marks for some finishing alcoholic heat that slightly mars the otherwise excellent finish. Not perfect, but a beauty in many respects.
Purple color. Grenache fruit nose. Cranberry, tea, clove. Medium acidity, deft on the tongue with good lift. Finish is tasty, more of the same cranberry and tea with a touch of the '07 heat.
Charvin is a strange wine insofar as it tastes very much the same from vintage to vintage. This of course is excellent news if you love the house style, but as a casual fan it detracts a bit from the excitement and potential.
Tasted after two hours in a decanter. Ruby colored and relatively translucent. Nose of ripe fruit and mineral but a bit tight. Made in this producer's usual elegant and feminine style but the fruit is very intense. Kirsch, raspberry, blackberry, anise and garrigue with a dose of pepper in the incredibly long finish. This is very enjoyable now but with time should get even more interesting. The only other CdP from 2007 that we have opened so far was a Pegau about two years ago. This is probably more appealing to me but in fairness both are very good and the extra two years likely helped the Charvin. Spectacular effort!
Enjoyed earlier this week at the monthly Hickory Wine Club wine tasting. Very very good even at this youthful point, evolving and not the same wine as it was a year ago but still has years of cellaring / maturation to go before truly being ready and eventually this will be a truly exceptional wine. Too expensive to be a reasonable QPR wine despite obvious excellence and I do definitely recommend this wine. Already a beautiful wine, very dark, big with better balance and softer then a year ago, full bodied, great mouth feel and a very long aftertaste. Nose surprisingly muted with plum, cooking spices and a hint of charcoal with a complex mix of primary flavors including initially dark terroir, earthy / loamy and mushroom flavors and subsequent development of spices, black pepper and garrigue later on the palate.
I opened this with friends on 1/22/12. It was surprisingly feminine with an elegant, focused bouquet of kirsch, anise, baking spice, white pepper, lavender and mineral aromas. The palate was smooth, dense, elegant and dry with flavors of kirsch, anise, baking spice and minerals. 92+
Visite au Domaine Charvin: En rafale, un Châteauneuf du Pape 2007 au nez classique floral et suave, mais la bouche est stricte et fermée. Grand vin en devenir, il faudra le comparer au 2009 dans quelques années pour voir qui de Parker ou Laurent aura raison. Deux grands vins. Je ne serais toutefois pas surpris si le 2010 prenait le plancher dans quelques années tellement le potentiel est impressionnant.
This indeed did not have some of the over(fill in the blank) qualities that some of the 2007 have revealed in the few yeas since they have been released. I felt like it was closed pretty tight, but the third day revealed some pretty nice red fruit. It has a solid mineral and tannic backbone. I think it has a solid future ahead. Bottle # 13897
Best '07 CNDP that i've had so far. Very complex for such a young wine. Big stinky nose. Beautiful strawberries, Liquorice, mint on the palate. Great mouth feel, long finish. This wine is going to be special.
An outstanding wine, still young with years of maturation left but already surprisingly balanced - I anticipate the addition of maybe 1 point with full maturation. Enjoyed with Kim at a recent Rhone wines wine dinner in Charlotte at the Pewter Rose. Deep purple, full bodied, complex and as noted above surprisingly balanced at this point of development, a long lingering aftertaste. Very beautiful, aromatic and almost floral nose with a herbs and spices. Primary flavors complex with a lovely mix of terroir, dark earthy / mushroomy flavors and spices present, black pepper developing late on the palate. Expensive but I highly recommend this despite the price point, this wine needs 5 years to enter a reasonable drinking window and will then have at least a decade of cellar life left. With full maturation I believe this wine will be truly extraordinary - certainly even at this early point this wine supports the general recognition of the overall very high quality of the '07 cdp vintage. Drank against an '07 Ferrand cdp - currently more approachable then the Ferrand but I think the Ferrand may eventually be the slightly better wine.
Première expérience avec ce fameux millésime 2007. Beaucoup de commentaires qualifient Charvin 2007 comme étant la plus grande réussite du domaine. Pour ma part, je ne peux le comparer qu'avec le 2006 et il lui est supérieur. Le 2006 est plus sévère en ce moment et est destiné à une longue garde à mon avis. Ce 2007 est plus dense et velouté tout en présentant une belle fraîcheur dans ce millésime. La robe est rubis foncé. Le nez exhalte des arômes de fruits rouges, cerise kirsch plus en retrait, l'alcool ne ressort pas malgré son 15%, au nez ça fait très bonbon en ce moment. En bouche, c'est très dense, aucune sensation de chaleur, ça descend si bien! On voit que ce vin a tout un potentiel pour devenir un immense vin, mais il est oh combien plaisant à boire en ce moment en raison de l'année plus racoleuse qu'est 2007. Le vin ne présente pas l'aspect sucré que j'apprécie moins de la cuvée Réserve Sixtine 2007. Vraiment une grande bouteille. 94-95.
This powerful perfume jumps with fresh kirsch liqueur, jam, pepper, spice, black raspberry and earthy aromas. Soft, opulent and multi layers, this suave Chateauneuf du Pape finishes with a long, pure sensation of ripe sweet, black cherries, strawberry and fresh pepper.
A beautiful bottle of wine. Very elegant, nice, medium bodied wine. Bright red berries on the nose, that carry onto the palate. Also an element of minerality on the palate.
I'm not left thinking that there's going to be a lot of aging potential with this wine, but I'm also fairly new to CdP and haven't had one around long enough to see how it'll evolve. This was an Outstanding wine, but I'll forgo placing a numerical value to it.
Harry Karis was kind enough to bring a bottle of this to our wine dinner after he did a book signing at Zachy's. Even with a pop and pour this wine showed well even though it is obviously very young. Harry indicated (as it outlined in the book)the wine has seen no wood and is predominantly grenache. Very happy to have four of these in my cellar and it will be interesting to see how they evolve over the years. A very nice wine with lots of upside.
Everything here is outstanding and seamless but its memorable persona makes it nearly classic. Three waves of bitter-sweet fruit, warm brown spice, and anise or medicine or dirty caramel that in any case goes all the way to the back of the tongue and lasts and lasts.
Vintage Pairs 2010 (Alba, London): Blind. Sweet oak juice and sweet fruit nose. Palate is grim. Really drying tannins, far to drying for the fruit surely? No, this is truely unpleasant. No idea whether it will improve with age but I won't be betting on it. Yuck. Nul points.
just walked in the old cellar and was deciding 04 bordeaux or 07 CdP....well we know what won....having had dozens of 07 CdPs I am thinking, in general, these will never really be better than they are now....so might as well drink 07 CdP and let the bordeaux age wonderful spice, leather nose, tannins are big but round not sharp, surrounded by spices and dark brooding fruits
the score goes up with each mouthful......hope to remem ber to capture my day 2 notes
Obviously young but it was still a fun drink. CDP often has the unique advantage when young. Lots of licorice, cedar and primary fruit(black plums, blackberry) and vanilla and some earthy tones. The alcohol is well hidden by a very elegant structure that bodes very well for the future. Silky in the mouth, relatively low acidity but a long long sweet licorice finish. Can't wait until it become more ready to drink.
Full throttle, ripe, high octane yet with some more ethereal notes of dried flowers and highly perfumed fruits. Dense, sweet fruits stain the palate and there is terrific intensity but it is just too big and youthful to really enjoy at this stage....one glass is enough (I would much prefer to drink their wonderful 07 Cotes du Rhone ‘Le Poutet’ at this stage).
WLTV and others do CdPs (Bellevue Wine Storage): nose: sweet olives, a bit dusky palate: intense and beautiful fruit, but alcohol was high and tannin was ripping my tongue apart. NR, too young. THough I expect I might be bothered further down the road by alcohol...we shall see.
youthful jewel ruby. Floral and hugely perfumed this is almost a distillate of kirsch. Anise, dark cherries, pure old vine Grenache. Rich and still screaming for more cellaring. Wonderful purity and focus, but painfully young. This is going to be fantastic. Gaining depth and darkening up with some air, but way too young.96+
A wine of great warmth, richness and power yet with a sense of elegance and restraint. The fruits are highly perfumed and it envelops the mouth with a lacy liquid finishing extremely long leaving a highly desirable mouth aroma.
Verticale Charvin La robe est brillante et d’une évidente jeunesse. Le nez est sur les arômes de réglisse rouge et de cerises. La bouche révèle une richesse et une concentration exceptionnelles, il a plus de tout! L’opulence caractéristique du millésime le rend très facile à identifier. Les tanins sont ronds, enrobés dans un fruit magnifique et bien que le vin soit peu loquace, l’équilibre et la richesse de l’ensemble ne laissent aucun doute à l’effet que ce sera un des meilleurs vins du domaine. L’avenir dira s’il atteindra la plénitude du 2001 mais je suis très optimiste. Potentiel énorme. 95 pts
2007 Chateauneuf du Papes ($60 and under): A somewhat polarizing wine. This was loved or hated by the group and mostly the later although it had the best showing of 1,2,3 place votes. It was my WOTN. Also the highest priced wine in the tasting and above our limit by about $20. Purple/ruby in color. The nose is big with spice, sandalwood, black cherries and raspberries. Also some iodine. Complex on the palate with sweet fruit. Long finish. This is tightly wound but will undoubtedly unwind over the years and be even better. I was told its 85% Grenache.
A few 2007 Chateauneuf du Papes in Highlands: This is the most backward of the 2007's I have tasted yet. Very young and structured at first, but after an hour in bottle and glass, the wine awakens into an airy red fruited, spice infused, mineral driven beauty. It is certainly tannic and dusty dry, but the sweet red fruit, minerals, aromatic plants and flower petals, win the day. Glad I have six more of these. I am in love with the 2007 mostly grenache wines that see almost no wood, and this is another shining example. Recommend.
More 2007 Southern Rhones (Various Locations, SF Bay Area): Medium to light ruby. High toned strawberry and menthol; in fact, this had greener aromatics than any wine tasted today. Lovely weight here. Red and black fruits with spice, good acidity, and gentle tannins. Great inner mouth perfume. Not a big wine at all, but elegant with impeccable balance.
Blind mini-vertical of the '05, '06, & '07. Third place...what a surprise. This wine is incredibly young and I can attribute it's (relatively) poor performance with how closed and backwards it currently is.
Pulled a cork to see what all the fuss was about... although very young and primary, the 2007 Charvin is clearly a stunner with a tremendous purity of ripe raspberry fruit in a light, spicy style with impressive balance. Relatively light in color, but with a nearly satiny finish, the wine coats the palate and offers waves of aromatic and flavor complications (lavender and licorice come to mind). Too young right now, but when this matures it will have a great deal in common with Marcoux VV and other top of the line pure- (or mostly) grenache offerings.
Nice ruby core with a lightened meniscus...this is much more lightly colored than the other 07 neufs I have tasted...Aromas of strawberry , ripe plum , lavender , and spice box. Raspberry , black cherry , and roasted herb flavors up front in a medium weight. Mid palate shows smoke , mulberry , and a hint of caramel. Beautiful long finish with the spicy plum flavors lingering. Off the chain!!!
Fruit driven with a serious backbone of spices, tannins and refreshing acidity, quite balanced, mouth coating, like drinking sweet satin... this will undoubtedly get more serious with age, but it is so tasty now that you owe it to yourself to drink a few of these on the younger side. Will probably score higher in a few years time.
Picked up offensive alcohol levels on nose & palate. If you take this out of the equation, which lead to a somewhat unbalance/disjointed wine; I would have rated the nose a 94 & the palate a 92. I was 1st introduced to this wine with the '05 vintage & love Charvin's representation of CdP - a much more elegant style. With time, I expect this will pull together & be a great wine from start to finish. As comparison, the '07 Ferrand (tasted several days before) & '07 Usseglio Imperiale (tasted along side this wine) are fantastic right now!
Dark, not quite opaque garnet; The nose shows roasted mushrooms, asparagus, and grilled meat (almost a distinct lamb note); palate is dark and intense, richly flavored but not at all ripe or candied as many 07s are. There is black cherry and raspberry, lavender, mixed herbs, a fair dose of fine tannins, and great overall balance and structure. Out of the few dozen 07s I've tasted so far, this might be the wine of the vintage, with the best balance of concentration, lower ripeness level, complexity, and aging potential.
Intense ruby color of medium depth. Very new world nose with loads of red fruits; not funky or earthy. Very fruity, and actually a bit candied, on the palate; cherry was dominant fruit; a bit overblown.
July 2009 at the domaine. Nice smell of licorice and kirsch. The mouthfeel is all finesse but the wine is rich and gourmand, with lots of freshness, a solid backbone almost hidden by the fruit. This vintage will be a great success, even better than the beautiful 2006 which is one of my favorites. 94+ pts
Mis en bouteille vers la mi-juin. Nez sur la réglisse et le kirsch. La bouche est toute en finesse, le vin riche et gourmand, avec beaucoup de fraicheur, une solide colonne vertébrale presque cachée par le fruit. Ce millésime sera une superbe réussite, dépassant même le très beau 2006 qui est pourtant un de mes favoris. 94+ pts