2004 Chateau Musar

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Community Tasting Notes (82) Avg Score: 89.1 points

  • Cherry, old furniture, some requisite Brett & VA, very sweetly fruited. A very good Musar.

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  • First time with having Musar. This bottle was opened in the AM, served late in the evening, FWIW. Aromatics of what I jotted down as wet clay. Never called a wine that before but this was what came to mind. Also sensed some sweet floral and some herb. Juicy cherry palate with riper styled fruit and high acid.

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  • Reticent nose, surprisingly ripe for how light it is, but that lightness is deceptive, as is the reticence. Of course, deceptiveness is sort of a classic Musar hallmark. Gains great complexity on the nose with air, of warm berries and blood orange on top of the usual brett and wet wood. On the palate, sweetly ripe fruit, generous, with a very long finish. A sweet vintage of Musar (in the best sense) even though the growing season was not necessarily warmer than others. I think this shows great promise.

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  • This is now all the things that all great wines want to be, minus the lack of tannic backbone...

    Superbly exotic aromas ranging from red fruits to sweaty saddles, a whiff of Brett and wound maintenance.

    Medium bodied with only small tannins, M++ acids and extra intensity on the palate. Long, lingering, restrained, perfectly integrated... Now having left adolescence behind.

    We only have one btl to go of this vintage and are aiming for 2020, give or take a few years.

    Wife: 95p (also tired of supple fruit and watery things.)

    At over-performing Bisi-Basi in Yokohama.

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  • Early days for this wine but it was on a restaurant list (always a good sign) and we thought we'd try it.
    Youthful colour. Superb Musar nose full of fruit and spice. Palate full of fruit (mainly sweet red and black cherry) becoming more like maraschino cherry in the glass. Typical Musar spice and complexity. Half a bottle re-corked for dinner tomorrow and it will be interesting to see how it is opening.
    Personally, I wouldn't normally touch a 'noughties' vintage of Musar for at least a few more years but it is interesting to sample it young.
    Next day, soft and quite easy but fewer Musar characteristics. Every vintage has its own personality but I wonder if this vintage is for the shorter term?

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  • Initially very precise and minerally but gives way to more depth and a bit of brett. Crisp acidity but silky smooth at the same time. Almost refreshing. Reminded me (and convinced me) I need to buy the '07.

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  • The 2004 is entering the drinking window in my opinion. A well-made classic Musar. Good with food after a 60 min decant, or on its own after an extra 30-40 min of breathing.
    90-91

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  • great acidity, mid body but acidity carried the finish to medium+, very graceful. Fruit not as dominant as 2002. Nose was kinda weird as I suspect my glass was contaminated by detergent leftover....overall an enjoyable wine capable of aging

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  • Another vertical tasting, this time 15 months from the last one. Some subtle changes over the years, yet interestingly, most of the characters of each vintage stayed the same.
    1999 – Amazing. Still going strong for a 16year old wine. Smoothest of the lot. ‘Clean-on’ colour – clear and not thickened. Some wood and very well integrated tannins. Softer now. Suggest drink up if you have any left in stock. Score 92
    2000 – Clean fruity rich nose. Slightly lighter but still good acidity on the palate. Score 91
    2001 – So much fruit still for a 14yo wine. Score 92
    2002 – Still that phenolic spritz – you could tell from just the cork. It’s the one that really stood out. It has finally mellowed though and now drinkable. Still needs more time. Score 88, yet has potential to get much better
    2003 – Snappier than the 04. Plenty of blackcurrant. Just a hint of fizz. Will last a while yet. Score 91
    2004 – This one is the smooth operator – silky smooth and softly sweet. Score 92
    2005 – Still some tannin but good structure and fruit. A favourite. Score 92
    2007 – Surprisingly ‘ready’ for a young Musar. This is the year you will find in most retailers. Score 91

    We started with shredded duck, then a reduced Consomme (beware the Heston way with ice – takes days to melt in the fridge), individual parcels of Beef Wellington, a Cheese (Livarot, Ossau Iraty and Fourme d’Ambert) course, then a Vanilla Pannacotta with Poached Rhubarb. The older wines went better with the earlier courses, and the younger sweeter ones more suited the cheeses and dessert.

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  • From a half bottle - sadly not decanted, as there was a fair amount of sediment. Early days yet for Musar of course but in this format beginning to drink well, with plenty of life left in it.

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  • Beguiling but challenging. Like a blend of delicious, young, high-acidity nebbiolo with sherry. Very satisfying mouth-feel and structure but the rustic, nail-polish nose and weird oxidised, feral flavours take some getting used to. Still love it though and look forward to tasting it for many years to come when I expect it will harmonise and settle down nicely.

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  • Here's to Serge!

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  • Tasted side by side with '01 musar. It was my first time tasting this maker. It is a very unique wine..the closest thing it resembled was an old rioja. Both vintages have high acidity, which make these wines lovely when they are old. The nose was very plummy and secondary with noticeable oak. The palate had red berries, cherry licore and plums. 2001 showed more finesss while 2004 had more strengths. Without tasting old Muscar, it is hard for me to tell if this will turn into something amazing. All I can say is that it is an interesting wine at present stage, but people usually either love it or hate it. I personally incline slightly to the love side. But both wine did not have the depth and power for me to give a higher rating.

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  • 19 Vintages of Musar Rouge; 1/25/2015-1/26/2015 (Clark Point House in Southwest Harbor, Maine): Color: Vibrant ruby core with a clear meniscus.
    Smell: Cement, roses, tart red fruits, clove, and earth.
    Taste: Light and bright red fruits, mushrooms, blueberries, and clove.
    Overall: Given the youth of this wine, it's showing like a "typical Musar" on the nose and palate showcasing both elegance and structure with what appears to be a promise for a long future. light body, high acidity, med+ tannin with vibrant fruit. Easily enjoyable now, but those that wait will be rewarded. In honor of Bart Broadbent who made tasting the '84 Rouge possible I'll use the five * system. (***/*)

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  • Light in color. This wine has intense raspberry fruit with a nice sappy quality and minerality underneath. I have had this wine 4 times in the past year and it just keeps getting better. Better than the 2003 I had last Friday. Long finish. Should improve further from here.

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  • Very nice Musar. In between young and mature, which was pleasant, but I think I prefer one or the other. Mint and leather. (Medeski's first Musar - in Minneapolis).

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  • Medium-light ruby color. Light and simple nose of raspberries. The palate is also very light-bodied, tasting more like Merlot (not in a good way) than Cabernet Sauvignon. Though I recall a prior bottle of this vintage being on the lighter side, this was altogether lacking in the type of nuance and complexity I've come to expect from Musar. A disappointment, after having had a lovely bottle of 2002 recently.

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  • Relatively young compared to other Musars I've had, but still a real pleasure. No contemporaneous notes, but it was well-structured, earthy and complex. Consistenty one of my favorite wines, and a decent value too.

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  • Bright colour. Cherry, steawberry and a waft of marker pens. Light style. A bit characterless. Not very Musar.

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  • Drinking great right now. There's plenty of time ahead of this, but I have a few and am very glad I opened one. Classic Musar, and this is still looking like an excellent vintage, as it has all along. After this showing, I now think it's right up there with the '95.

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  • Decanted for about 45 mins. Mmmm, beautiful perfumey red cherries, lavender, bit of sun-baked garrigue, very delicious bouquet. Palate follows, sweet red fruits, bit of dried fig, good tannins, super delicious, yum, yum, yum. Excellent now and will last for a long time in the cellar still.

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  • not showing well, with hints of oxidation. May have caught this bottle in time.

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  • This is on the young side and will only get better. Just a hint of the typical Musar funk/ brett.

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  • Great fun as always (well, usually). A very nice Musar. Strongly recommend. Should last a few years too.

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  • fantastisch, volledig op dronk

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  • If this bottle is exemplary for the vintage, 2004 is not one of the greatest vintages for Musar. The bouquet is beautiful with pleasant barnyard, smoky oak and salty licorice, but on the palate there are some glue and oxidized impressions. Dark fruits, chocolate and mild tannin. Good concentration, but overall a bit disappointing.

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  • I simply love Musar. This one as with other vintages shows cooked raspberry, truffle and dark chocolate on the nose. Aromas transferred to the palate along with sweetness, soft tannins and nice acidity.

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  • This too was sweet, sickly and too spirity. Usually shows better than this.

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  • Sweet, harmony, medium to light body, fully mature. Love it.

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  • Pale red with a hint of orange at the rim, tending to medium red at the core - musty nose with red fruits. Medium to light bodied, very slight sweetness (probably more apparent than real), quite aromatic with a balancing acidity - idiosyncratic.

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  • Na entrada de uma boa janela.. Seu nariz é distinto e já revela razoável evolução e boa complexidade, tendo notas que evocam a cerejas, cravos, outras boas especiarias, um toque mineral, de ervas finas e ligeiro traço oxidativo característico. Na boca é encorpado, mas bem elegante, com um suave sabor agridoce, tendo acidez bem adequada, mas que não chega a ser digna de nota como em outras safras que tive, como a 2003 (em 09/2012), sendo esse 2004 um pouco mais tímido no geral. Aparentemente fruto de safra mais discreta, ainda assim, é longevo e creio que só tenha a melhorar daqui 2+ anos.

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  • [from 375]
    Not as good as 2005, more raisin on the nose.

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  • We found this strange, perhaps a bit madeirized, corked it up and put it aside. I came back to it a week or so later, used some of it for cooking and drank the rest. What a change! This is how it is supposed to taste: light bodied but with plenty of depth, gentle strawberry fruit, a touch of tobacco underneath. If I find another, I will buy it and give it many hours of air before evaluating.

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  • Notes after getting the slow-o for two days, though I had to drink it out of a rocks glass since that's all I have available in my hotel room so take the review with a grain of salt.
    Enjoyable aromas of red fruit, earth and spice with a palate that matches; a bit of olive towards the finish. Moderate tannins/acid. Young, will likely get better over the next 5 years though I'm not sure it will last past its 20th birthday & I might drink these earlier than the vintages surrounding it.

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  • Fabulous wine. Jammy nose, medium body. Nice hint of tannins in the throat. Holds up well to pork or brisket.

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  • As I suspected, the 2004 should be relatively accessible now (9 years old but only a year and half after release). Good now but should keep 7-8 more years. I'd drink this before the 2003s and 2005s.
    It was sampled over 3 hours. Approachable from the start. Spicy, earthy, fig, plum not too tannic. Good expression of both the Carignan and Cinsault (more prominent than the Cabernet). Reminiscent of some Carignan-based Priorats.
    Allowed to breath 90 minutes before dinner. Works well with a vegetarian Mediterranean meal or on its own (we normally have the more robust examples of Musar with beef/lamb). Good value for money as usual. 89-90

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  • Popped and poured; consumed over two days. The robe was a cloudy garnet...but I find that fairly normal for Musar and, for me, doesn't detract from the experience. Initially, the nose was full of olives with some of the "Musar funk" but the former dissipated precipitously, eventually evolving into a pleasant bouquet of sous bois and ripe, dark red fruit. Good acid for food. Tannins seem well integrated. Soft mouth-feel. Early on, I was picking up an interesting cocoa component in the flavor profile...somewhat reminiscent of stone-ground Mexican table chocolate (seems weird, I know...but if you've ever had it...you would likely get where I'm coming from as it's very distinctive). Eventually, this was replaced by a more classic cocoa component to accompany the brambles and earth. A thoroughly enjoyable Musar. I've got a bottle of this in the cellar that I plan to hold. While this is drinking very nicely right now (much better than the 2005 right now IMO) and well over two days, I think it's got plenty of life in it. Get it.

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  • Tart black cherry and blackberry, with earthy minerals. Some forest floor and roasted herb notes, but not really any Brett. Medium bodied with fine tannins and nice acidity. Structurally, I can see the comparisons to Burgundy, but I was reminded more of Chinon. Approachable now, but could use 5-7 years.

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  • Red fruit and orangey quality, young and delicious.

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  • Savory and complex, lots of red fruits and soil, clean, though, and while I would call it favorably high-toned it definitely has less VA than I'm used to with these. Not one of the bigger Musars, but the incredibly long finish doesn't have me worrying about keeping these in the cellar.

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  • Lighter in color and body than prior vintages, this has a translucent carmine color. The nose is a mix of cigar box and stone, and starts to take on more of a rich cherry fruit favor after an hour of aeration. The palate is somewhat austere, with tart plum flavors. The tannins have integrated somewhat but this is still far from maturity. In aggregate, the lightness and elegant structure of this are reminiscent of Burgundy, whereas other vintages have seemed to more closely echo Bordeaux. Would be worth revisiting this after another five years at a minimum.

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  • After about an hour in the decanter, this is a very young, relatively clean, fresh example of Musar. Bright red fruits combine with a lot of dried herbs and pencil shaving, as well as some classic exotic spice notes. There is just a hint of the "Musar funk", but it is definitely there. Some of the savory notes I typically get are whispers here, probably waiting to reveal themselves with time. Overall, it's a very good, but not great, Musar at this point. I see a lot of upside, but don't think it will ever reach the potential of great vintages such as '95. I haven't followed any single vintage for enough years to know exactly how these evolve, though. I will definitely be putting some away for myself, because this is still an outstanding wine, and I'm interested to see where it goes. Whatever the case, I'd say it could use a few years to broaden out a bid.

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  • Cor granada de média concentração. Nariz que indica que o vinho ainda vem abrindo, mas já bem agradável e complexo, com notas de ameixas secas, calda de cerejas, ótimas notas especiadas de cravo e canela e um sutil toque oxidativo (normalmente característico). Na boca, muito saboroso e complexo, a exemplo do nariz, mas seu corpo, estrutura tânica e acidez se mostraram um pouco mais contidos que o habitual nesta safra 2004. Um Musar de perfil mais leve, mas como sempre, com todos os elementos em perfeito equilíbrio. Provavelmente atingirá seu auge dentro da segunda metade dessa década.

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  • n - VA, spicy
    light-bodied, refreshing, spicy, ripe fruit
    refreshing, long
    heady
    i like it

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  • Dried fruits, yes it's all dried fruits, plush, exotic, spicy, hot after the Epeneaux, but nevertheless very enjoyable

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  • Decanted one hour.
    The nose is of very ripe strawberries, dark plums, morello cherries, coffee beens, cedar and spice.
    Same fruits in the mouth with a sour/morello cherry finish.
    Silky textured with a medium body, medium/high acidity, soft low tannins.
    Very enjoyable...

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  • The wine offered dried red and dark fruits, dried cherry, blackberry, strawberry, dark chocolate and a chlorine/swimming bath component on the nose. On the palate the wine showed dried fruits, strawberry, blackberry, chocolate, exotic spice, and hints of tobacco and tea, paired with medium to medium-plus acidity, medium-level fine tannin and very good length. The balanced, medium-bodied, elegant wine was made in an interesting, slightly oxidized style that reminded me a bit of Port (not in terms of viscosity or body, but in taste). It drank very well and offered a good QPR. Will stock up. 89+

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  • Beautiful as usual. Just a bit young, but nevertheless very enjoyable. Mid body, flowery, red berries, deep nose, uplifting after taste. I haven't, so far, tasted any mediocre vintage from Musar. around 22pounds at Waitrose in UK. BTW, just a few weeks ago, a '99 was a stunner, and at peak~

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  • Porty and plush, dried fruits, very nice, but doesn't have the real Musar magic touch

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  • Best bottle yet. Plush, exotically spiced, but fresh, fine, silkily textured. Super

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  • Rúsínuilmur; eikað, plómu- og kirsuberjabragð. Loftað í góða 2 tíma, batnaði þegar á leið. Dæmigerður Musar eftir 3 tíma+. Langt og mjúkt eftirbragð.

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  • After tasting the 2000 vintage you'll recognise this thisdistinctive Lebanese right away. Unbelievable the taste of strawberry and light red fruits combined with old oaky (french) style woods.
    A bit of orange combined with a light soury (..). After the 2000 vintage this surely will deem away after a bit more patience. It has a deluxe good balance combined with a good length which
    results in a light jammy, easy to drink velvet wine. Trust me, tasted lots of grand cru's between '80's - 2000's and this is absolutely a great contender and above all, a very smooth and nice wine to enjoy, buy it.

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  • Deep, tar smell, smooth

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  • Interesting to have this a couple of days after a Lafarge Chênes 98 which showed so much in common - porty, a hint of oxidation, very plush, dried cherry fruit.

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  • as the others say raisiny porty and acidic on opening, not loads of tannin. lets see how it develops in the glass but lacks the funky complexity of other Musar. a sensuous mouthful but a little one dimensional. next day- a little funkier- sage?

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  • Much better than the half bottle tried yesterday. The sniff includes tones of spice and cedar but dominating is the porty tones of raisin. The taste is also dominated by dark fruit and raisins. I miss the complexity and balance I have experienced in Ch Musar before. Maybe this will improve after a few more years in the cellar.

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  • The wine smelled porty. The taste was sour and porty. Not good at all. Off balance. I poured it out. There was mould on the cork but I have seen this many times before and it was only on the outside. Tasted bottle was a half bottle.

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  • Porty, but sumptuous rich fruit, just needs to freshen up a bit; let's hope it does

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  • For me, this needs time, or air, lots of air. Dark red. Much less of the typical Musar "stink". At first tough, tannic, acidic. Air brings out some aromatics and we start to get some more typicity of Musar. I think with time, lots of time, this will be a rather refined drink. It seemed to have grace and femininity behind the whack of tannin and acid. Think along the lines of a fine 1990s-decade vintage of Mas de Daumas Gassac for style.

    It seems we drinkers of this wine are in very sharp disagreement about the wine's development status and potential! Are the bottles realy this variable? Based on my experience with this bottle, the rest could go away until approaching 2020.

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  • The first bottle had a very dry cork that broke and to this I attributed its lackluster contents. Bottle two had been better stored and there were some dark fruits on the nose and port notes on the palate. 14% alcohol. Not tannic at all so I do not know what all this talk is about the supposed robustness. Not a classic Musar. Drink up now.

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  • From a small bottle.
    Total lack of finesse. Clumpsy, boring and rather thin.
    This wine is simply not good.

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  • First bottle, early tasting, no formal notes. Characteristic combination of Bordeaux like (CS) and Rhone like (Syrah) aroma's. Already soft immediately after decanting. More ready to drink than 2002, 2003. Next day similar, not much more evolved. Seems ready and possible to keep. Next bottle in 2 years?

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  • This one drank very well tonight - rounded, plump but with excellent finesse - cherries, chocolate powder and soil. This one can sit in the cellar for years, but actually giving great pleasure right now.

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  • Vertical tasting – 7 years of Musar from 1999 to 2005

    2005 – most tannic one. Noticeably younger. Very good year, smooth, but needs longer in bottle. Scores range 85-91
    2004 – still has a little bite on the tip of the tongue. Tastes younger than its age. Fruit is nice and clean. Mustier. Nose is dull. Hot year. Punchy. Scores range 87-90
    2003 – lovely and smooth from the word go. Silky but more lightweight compared to the others. Scores range 82-92
    2002 – there was a sharp spritz on the bottle, still there hours after opening. Roughest of the lot and not nearly as good as my previous experience of this year. Maybe just a rogue bottle.
    2001 – if tasted blind, you could be forgiven for thinking this was a grand vin claret. The Cabernet dominates this year. Another hot year. Almost sherry like. Not full or punchy though. A few more years to go. Well liked. Scores range 90-92
    2000 – bubblegum sweet yet earthy. Distinct from the others. Nice, clear, young and fruity for a 12year old wine. The 2000 grew on us as the night went on. This has reached the point when it can be enjoyed. Scores range 90-92
    1999 – this is at its peak now and showing its aristocracy. Drink up. Scores range 90-93

    We tried the 2003, 2004 and 2005 with the starter (shredded duck) and then added the 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 for the main (Roman lamb). All bottles opened 6 hours prior to tasting. The cork for the 2000 was coloured all the way up but the wines were all at the same level in the necks.

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  • Another hit for me but also another variation on previous vintages. It doesn't have the power or structure of the 2003 but it certainly has the fruit. Probably the most Bordeaux like Musar I've tried.

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  • Tannic monster of a wine at the moment, and lacking fruit in nose or mouth as well. Really dont know whether this will get better or a dubious bottle, but will stay with the 1999 for now.

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  • Deep and quite acidic; room for growth; felt it tasted better the following day

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  • Musarathon (Strictly Rhythm, London): Not as syrupy as some bottles I've had recently, but it lacks oomph.

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  • Musarathon (Strictly Rhythm, London): Has Musar gone modernist? This wine continues the trend I saw from '99 to '01, offering yet more candied red fruit and yet less counterbalancing acidity. My palate was tiring at this point so I'm not going to score this, but the consensus view at the table was that this was closer to a less distinctive international style than any of its predecessors.

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  • Musar Vertical Tasting in Paris with Marc Hochar - INSEAD Alumni Wine Club
    Appearance: Medium red, slightly brick on the rim, muddy
    Nose: dominated by sweet fruits - black cherries, figs, toast too
    Palette: Medium bodied, fruits dominate, tannins well integrated
    Finish: Medium
    Nice wine but yet to develop truly interesting secondary flavours

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  • Blowsy and oxidising - the 04 does seem variable

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  • Non-blind. Had immediately.
    Light red, small nose with touch of brett. Elegant, balanced, complex, medium-bodied wine with (M-) tannins and small notes of sweaty horse and emerging maturity. A true gem.
    The 2003 was Bordeaux in style. This one seems much more like an elegant Châteaunef du Pape... Am curious as to what some years in the cellar will do to it. Ahh! Anticipation :-)

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  • Much better than previous bottles, really rich and plush, spirity, licquorous, a glamorous lady in a grand trailing gown

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  • This is quite a strong Musar - much richer and plumper than some recent vintages. Very typical aromas of cherries, farmyard and .... well...those hard to describe Musar aromas. However, it felt less fine than Musars of old - felt a little more rounder and woolly on the palate. Needs time - quite a long time I would imagine to lose some of the puppy fat.

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  • ChTR kokous 25.01.2012 (SKO-toimisto): Decanted for an hour. This was quite a pale red with distinct purple edges. The nose is full throttle, with typical Musar VA, tons of red fruits, earth, lots of dried figs and dates. The palate is very sweet and very fruity with lots of tannins and great acidity. This is my first taste of the 2004 vintage, it's way too young to drink now. I will open the next bottle in 4-5 years. This does seem to have the stuffing to last for a long time. Excellent!

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  • Plush and rich, but not very expressive, and the fruit is a bit stewy. Lacks the usual Musar magic

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  • Tasting at Majestic, Farnham. Light in colour still youthfull brick red. Black fruits, roasted nuts, chocolate. Dark chocolate, tar, toast, figs, leather.
    Very approachable now, must try to resist the temptation as it will improve to an outstanding wine

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  • An excellent Musar. Deeper, fresher and fuller than the more forward 03. Seems pretty clean at this stage of its evolution, but there is not doubt that this is classic Musar from the nose through to finish. Really excellent.

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  • Garnet hue, red rim. Young, with excellent fruit , mulberry and plum. Smokey. Quite light. Lingers well. Intriguing hints of leather and tobacco leaf. Could become very subtle.

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  • Velvet texture, sweet, fruitcake rich, but lacking the usual sharpness that brings Musar to life

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  • Chateau Musar Tasting (Harrogate Fine Wine Company): -- double decanted approximately 2.5 hours before tasting --
    -- tasted a single pour non-blind over approx. 10 minutes --

    Tight Nose was strongly perfumed – floral perfume. Medium bodied; a bit prickly; good acidity; drying (but not harsh) tannins; red fruits; a bit rough on the palate. This is the current Musar Rouge release, and its youthfulness is readily apparent, especially in this lineup. Wouldn't be surprised to see my score improve with time. Hold.

    B: 50, 5, 10, 14, 7 = 86

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  • Dark garnet with a polished leather VA heavy nose. Concentrated and ripe with spicy plummy fruit, raisin and cedar. Held together with dry grippy tannins. Lovely sweet red fruit and more cedar in the finish.

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