In looking at the last 3 notes below, all 3 talk about the acidity, 2 about how the acidity is lessening. This isn't the case in the bottle I just opened and poured to my glass. There is indeed acidity so not sure what's driving the difference in opinion about the acidity but it's one of the intriguing things I find in how the same wine (bottle variation aside) can appear different for tasters. For context, I have this wine chilled and my palate is clear, no food (yet) with this wine. As I said in my summer 2013, this is such a great drink of chenin. This bottle shows a couple of flavor markers that I didn't call out last time so either age is adjusting the wine or may palate is sensing different things today. Pineapple, green banana, lime, a squeeze of honey and still good mineral and acidity. Inside of all this is some sweetness but it's lower register and offset by the other flavors I mention, mainly the lime. It's just frigging hot here in Orange County this weekend and I look forward to having more of this later by a pool and some good conversation and bbq'd salmon. Drink window? No fade here, just pushing right along.
Has slimmed down with time. Still has gentle flavors - honey, pineapple, green melon, wool. But the acid has begun to fade, and it doesn't shimmer like it used to. It's too bad, cause that's one of the thrilling qualities of a Chidaine.
This had previously had two glasses Coravined from it and it seemed much worse for it. It came across totally out of balance and tasted like the clear part of separated pineapple juice. I don't recall if this was a bad bottle from the start or if it may have turned after the first half was extracted.
Three years since my last bottle. This has lost a lot of its baby fat from then. Curious showing. Touches of Chenin wool on a light frame that seems to give the suggestion of a syrupy sweetness, but although there is sweetness here, it's not actually syrupy and the sweetness seems to be swimming amidst this steely acidity in an almost yin-yang like dance. That is way too poetic for a wine that I don't think is especially profound. It's good, but I've had better Chidaines. Perhaps more time in the cellar? This showed best on the third night.
Clear and lite in the glass. Closed nose of calcium, flowers and citrus. Light body with citrus, flower, melon and slate on the plate. Not delivering the focus and acidity of previous tastings. Improved from 84 to an 88 after opening. Med-short finish. Last bottle and one of a 15 bottle flight at an amazing dinner. Was seriously outclassed by the food and most of the other bottles. Still a solid QPR.
This is good. There are hints of lime, tangerine peel, honey, and, beeswax. Tart and succulent, this has a nice feel in the mouth and a refreshing swallow.
So I revisit this for a couple of days and I couldn't help to notice a slight hint of oxidation/advancement. Mind you this was at the end of exactly three days. So it did get a heavy dose of air though it was re-corked with no gas. It seems to me it should have held up better. Just putting it out there because my first bottle was ridiculously advanced.
A night of Bordeaux as Tom Reddick pays a return visit to NYC. (Le Philosophe.): Suzanne was a sweetheart for bringing this wine as it's one of my favorites from '08. This one took a little while to get going, initially showing surprisingly soft acid structure. With air, however, it picked up and was its usual vivacious and enthralling self. Still youthful with quince, apple, chalky mineral and acacia. Moderately sweet, but balanced perfectly. There's just so much thrill factor and personality to this wine. It paired wonderfully with the frog leg, maitake and sunchoke appetizer. A/A-.
Damn this is drinking great. Lime peel, tangerine, great acidity that marries well with the fruit and finishing minerality. Drank over dinner @ R and D in Newport, had the spinach omelette and taboulleh, then the carrot cake. Maybe this sounds strange but I tell you, this Bouchet was lights out good with these pairings. No rush to drink my last 2, as this is great now and with the fresh acidity, it will live for a while more. Love Chidaine.
Bo ssam and vino with a visiting John Tomasso. (Christine & Marty's.): Always a great way to kick off an evening. I've loved this wine since release and while showing a little more coyly than most of the other bottles I've had, it's still shows that electric personality and vivid quince, citrus and crushed white gravel profile with a smattering of yellow and white flowers. Brilliant acidity balances out the 19 g/l residual perfectly. This bottle sees the fruit just a little less full and the structure a bit tighter, so it could be that the wine is starting to shut down. While it may make some sense to start keeping ones hands off these for awhile, it's still lip smackingly good. Solid A-.
An outstanding example, great nose of creamy tropical fruits, and a finish of sweet mango, amongst others. Makes a great aperitif, would work well with mildly spiced Asian food. We tried it with a blue cheese, which worked surprisingly well. A little sweet for my personal taste so give thought to pairing and occasion, nonetheless a simply outstanding wine that will age for many years yet.
Serious minerality on the nose. Sea shell and salty sea air with a bit of lemon. The minerality follows through on the palate with blue stone and chalkiness. The mouthfeel is impressive and the fruit is simply outstanding. Tropical fruits like pineapple and mango with a bit of honey and lemon. Sweetness stopped short by the impressive acidity. This went well with salads and charcuterie to start the meal and then with a selection of cheeses to finish the meal. Extra points for the versatility.
P&P. Wow, what really made an impression upon me with this Chidaine was the sheer quantity of desirable traits that excite my taste buds. The immediate impact of rich stone fruits such as peach and nectarine, jazzed up just a touch with RS in the form of a slight honeyed tint was a delight. Mid palate saw this shift to a more citrus themed stream, as lime drenched acidity made its presence felt all the way to the finish. The waxy texture implied a full body, but when swirled in the mouth this was really light on its feet. Gardenia scents and flavors where constantly felt from bell to bell, as was a touch of sea mist and oyster shells. Superb Demi–Sec. This would pair food wise with darn near anything, I really struggled to think of something that would clash with this, and nothing really came to mind. If you can keep your hands off these to age, well, you have more will power than I do as this is drinking so well TODAY!
Excellent again; a little more honeyed and wooly than I remember it being on release but it's lovely to drink with moderate sweetness, ripe golden Chenin fruit and good acidity keeping it lively with a lovely polished, silky mouthfeel.
Hell yeah! I love Chidaine's '08s and this wine's no exception. Taut and vivid, limes and peach with racy acidity and a nearly dry finish. Just lovely stuff and a great accompaniment to smoked Copper River salmon and cheese/poblano tamales.
Just flat Awesome. PNP. Same notes as last bottle. Pale yellow in the glass. Nose of wax and honeyed peach. On the palate, plenty of the peach and also some bright nectarine follow through from the nose, along with a solid spine of slate and electric, spritzy acidity. Grapefruit & Granny Smith apple. The juicy acidity and R.S. are in perfect control, and the minerality shores up the structure extremely well.
This btl was likely flawed but I've noticed sour aromas and bitter flavors before with other chenin producers from the Loirie. Sour milk on the nose and a bitter finish the palate. At times though showed normal flavors but likely flawed in some manner or another?
Chidaine killed it in '08, yet the Bouchet ia not my favorite of Francoise's wines in this vintage. In fact I can think of several others I like more (Habert, Tuffeaux, Breuil), yet this wine is just great. Big, rich summer fruits of peach and apricot. It feels a bit sharp in the mouth, no doubt from the acidity. The acidity stands out a bit and is my only criticism of the Bouchet, and this coming from an acid head. I hope this settles down a bit as it seems a bit adolescent and awkward to me. But the material is there and I have hope.
Needs a little air time to open up, revealing a nice core of vibrant fruit, just a touch of sweetness, balanced by good acidity, and some subtle minerality kicking in on the medium finish. Enough complexity to make this interesting and very enjoyable. Give it at least a couple of hours after opening.
Wow, this every bit as great as all the previous notes suggest. This has the richness of a desert chenin, but delivered in an almost elegant and super precise off-dry way. The balance is impecable and the wine is fresh, which a great achievement for this grape, which in my limited experience can quickly become cloying and / or alcoholic very quickly when that ripe. Stunning for the $25 I paid for it. Drank well from the first pour and changed little over the two days I drank it.
Like the Montlouis Tuffeaux, this comes across quite rich and opulent in contrast to the other Chenin Blancs. Ripe apples and peaches seasoned with honey, flowers and waxy elements with a round, polished mouthfeel. It's not showing as much acidity now as I recollect, and doesn't have the same lightness or delicate touch as the Pinon, but it's still very well balanced and all too easy to drink.
On the nose, citrus/lemon, apple and a creamy sweetness on the nose. More of the same on the palate, which is smoother and more resolved than I expected. Good balancing acidity and off-dry character make this a great match for a variety of foods. Tonight's Thai curry chicken paired nicely. I suspect a blue cheese / endive salad would also be a winner. Just a hint of tightness on the finish that will probably fade with more bottle age. I think this is drinking very well, perhaps close to peak, as a food wine. Another couple years might serve it will as a sipper on its own. Like the previous taster, I'm uncharacteristically gravitating to this bottle over a nice bottle of red also opened ('97 Mt. Veeder Cab).
Quite possibly the best $25 wine I've ever had. Intense yet light; opulent yet focused; mineral but in no way austere. Gorgeous green apple and citrus fruit with a touch of honey. Incredible concentration for this (or really any) level. This really has it all and to be frank I'm not sure what could make it better. For what it's worth, I preferred it to an '85 Mouton on NYE.
This is quite possibly the best white wine I have had in the past year. It's so perfect by itself and so great with food. perfect balance in a wine. Chidaine takes over Huet as my favorite producer in the Loire.
Excellent! PnP, and enjoyed over two days. Pale yellow in the glass. Nose of wax and honeyed peach. On the palate, plenty of the peach and also some bright nectarine follow through from the nose, along with a solid spine of slate and electric, spritzy acidity. Splash in some grapefruit along the edges, and with some air overnight some Granny Smith apple makes an appearance here. What is so absolutely outstanding about this wine is the lesson in near-perfect balance. The juicy acidity and R.S. are in perfect control, and the minerality shores up the structure extremely well. This is just a flat-out show-stopper of a wine, and I can't imagine a better crowd-pleaser. The length and core on this wine are outstanding, but it's hard to wait for the length before taking another sip, and another, and another... Only one thing could make this wine any better than it already is: age. Glad I have a couple more bottles. Fantastic wine!
Gyatdamn! Incredible wine, not sure I know a better QPR. Near perfect structure and balance. Agree with consistent low-profile peach, honey and lemon notes. Disagree that even remotely cloying -- this fits the definition of off-dry. Wow to the zest and subtle spritz running right up the middle. Monster combo with food that has both fat and acid, i.e., the turkey, smoked green apple and gruyere sammy alongside which I loved this. Finish goes on for minutes. If I keep writing, will I keep tasting it in my mouth?
Drank excellent once again, showing tangering, peaches and a nice acidity along with the complementary touch of sweetness. No matter who I serve this wine to, it consistently gets finished. Love this cuvee.
From magnum, superb again with golden Chenin fruit, floral, honeyed and faint wooly elements in a medium weight package that's beautifully balanced with moderate sweetness and a sense of real refreshment.
Fine chenin nose with noticeable sweetness and strong acidity, this is a serious wine although, for my tastes, the sort of wine of which I only want one glass. A little cloying on its own, I prefer the Chidaine Montlouis bottlings or the 2007 Vouvray Argiles. A good wine, but it needs proper food - chicken with goat cheese, mozzarella - tomato salad was not the right match.
As a follow-up, this was left in the refrigerator for a day and really improved. It showed vivid acidity, a well-balanced sweetness and a lovely perfume - remarkable and a testament to the longevity of these 2008 Chidaines - store them away for your children, or drink them slowly a few nights.
Though it does carry a tad of rs, there is so much going on here that I never for a second thought of this as a sweet wine. Tons of stone fruits, especially fresh nectarines provide the blast of fresh, cleansing fruit, yet very light on its feet, slight chalky texture, extremely persistent finish. Quite a contrast to a Huet wine, a bit lighter in body, but equally delicious.
A beautiful, elegant wine, perfect for summer sipping. Plenty of intensity, showing yellow peach, a hint of sweetness, then a nice dose of minerality. Decent acidity ties it all together. Great with Chinese chicken salad on the deck, cut through the tang of the mustard dressing perfectly.
We have several bottles of this wine in the cellar, and have been dying to try it. We finally caved and cracked one open. The nose is restrained but elegant, showing a dominant slate component as well as undertones of pineapple, honey, apples, and peaches. On the palate the wine explodes initially, with layers of juicy pineapple, apricots, and sugar cane. The mid-palate shows fantastically complex minerality, with mixing hints of saline, slate, and chalk. The wine finishes very long with lemon/lime, tart green apple, and mouth watering acidity. It is demi-sec, yet the sweetness is wonderfully balanced, more lending weight and a lush texture to the initial fruit than overt sweetness. The wine is seamless and creamy, yet lively and racy as a function of the excellent acid backbone. Overall this wine has immaculate purity of fruit, superb balance, and fantastic structure. It is enjoyable now, and we can’t wait to see where it will go with some time.
Pop and poured but had time to swirl and enjoy over a few hours. Tasted alonside a Huet 08 Le Mont. Great contrast of demi-secs. The Chidaine was softer and sweeter. Nice pears, vanilla, citrus, quince, sweet apples, and honeyed white tea. The Huet was more interesting on its own but the Chidaine caught up a bit with some cheese and ahi tuna salad. Full bodied with nice acidity. Hope to save a bottle for a few years to try again.
Had this next to the 2008 Huët Vouvray Demi-Sec Le Mont. Nice nose of vanilla bean, green apples, apple sauce and hint of minerals. On the palate it didn't have the weight of the Huet but did have nice body and racy acids. Went very well with seard ahi tuna salad with the citrus notes from the wine. Looking forward to trying this again down the road.
I have drank several of these but never can get around to writing the bottles up, as damn it, they disappear so fast. Speaks a lot to this wine's quality and attraction to tasters of all kinds. Opened last night for a work party, actually have a 1/2 bottle left so I can add a decent note here, even too with some air. The depth of the honey in this wine, juxtaposed against a nice spine of lime juice and mineral, it's all mixed together right now. Medium bodied, it's a bit of camouflage as the wine comes off with some glycerine, yet the acidity keeps it checked up on the palate. Toss in some pineapple notes here too, some mandarin orange, some green apple. For about 23 bucks, I can drink this stuff day after day. I have 5 bottles of this beauty in my cellar, Envoyer just re-offered it again but I need to leave some bottles for others to enjoy but this is a really cool wine with such versatile expressions, really a knock out bottle. Damn, I love Chidaine. Still remains as the best demi-sec type WOTY.
Very young (showing lots of baby fat) but the structure, fruit, and underlying acidity is there for this wine to evolve nicely. Honeyed lemon, minerals in spades. Give it 5 years for the sugar to soften.
I watched this wine unfold over five nights. Zero degradation. It's certainly enjoyable, but to my tastes, a bit too sweet and is showing a lot of plump baby fat at this point, albeit backed up by nice acidity. This doesn't rise to the level of Chidaine's 2008 Clos Hubert, for example, which shows more complexity and detail and less sweetness. This is fine to open at a party or for non wine geeks; they will certainly be impressed, but it lacks the range of Chidaine's 2008 Hubert and is not as cerebral.
Was very excited to give this a go, especially after seeing Gary V and FMIII like it so much. Gorgeous nose of almonds, beautifully ripe pears, lemon zest, and a nice dose of minerality. I was caught off guard when I took my first swig as the past 10 vouvrays I've had were all Huet secs so I was absentmindedly expecting a big acidic cut laced with first picked fruit. Once I was able to recalibrate my brain, nose, and mouth, the wine made much more sense. Definite continuation of the ripe pears from the nose as well as an underlying chalkiness and honey-ed minerality. Medium-bodied with a nice palate weight that projected a nice richness without crossing over the line into flabby. Just enough acid on the back end to balance out the sweetness from the ripe pears which allowed the finish to linger for more time than you expect. Very good bottle of wine. 92 pts.
This was a hit last night. Really an attention grabber. Has that sweet and fruit thrilling initial presence that is then supported by the acidity and cut. Terrific and I need to again source some more!
Phenomenal stuff combining pure yellow fruited flavours, minerality, touches of honey and beeswax in a seamless, incredibly polished package. There's a faint hint of sweetness here and really bright acids that keep it incredibly light, precise and focused throughout.
Light gold in color. The nose is pretty closed when initially opened. The taste is an explosion of tropical fruit, citrus, and honey with some sweetness. There is good acidity and it really does make your mouth water. This is mouth coating and viscous with a really nice long finish that lingers. This is really tasty stuff.
EWG tastes Umami (Umami Burger, Hollywood, CA): Lanolin/wet wool aromas dominate the nose at the moment with some citrusy type notes coming out later on. Sharp palate with strong tart acids. Concentrated in the midpalate showing light touches of sweetness and citrus. Very well put together though really tight right now. The sweetness in this one seems to be well integrated with the fruit like the Montlouis. I liked this one today for its lighter touch in comparison to the other but it also should be better in a few years as the fruit opens. Very good.
Crystal, lite yellow with medium viscosity in the glass. Citrus, honey, almond and flowers on the nose. A monolith of mouth coating citrus, honey and chalk on the palate. Secondary nuts, creme and sea water. Despite its weight it shows elegant focus, structure and minerality. Medium finish. Superb...need more!
A stunning nose of honeycomb, banana, wax, peach and pineapple is followed by a slightly sweet, yet incredibly lively palate of citrus peel, acacia flower and mineral. Supported by mouthwatering acidity that lets all the flavors hang effortlessly through a lengthy finish. (Drink 2010-2022) - JD93
A nose of chalk, lime, pear, papaya, tangerine, and truffle. Honeyed from the word "Go," but you're not quite sure what is coming until you taste. Mesmerizing bright acidity, vivid and elegant, bold and knife-like. Seamless. Bone dry impression given by a stunning balance of apricot/pear/kiwi sweetness, salty acidity, and lasting mineral/chalkiness with superb structure. Enjoyed immensely from Christmas until Today.
Technically difficult to find fault with this wine. Well-rounded, balanced, succulent. However, if I had to be critical , not too much on the nose initially although opened up after an hour or so with a mild sweet citrus. Also a lot sweeter than I expected and a bit more sweet one that I'd like. Honey and sweet tangerine forward and late mild tangy citrus (grapefruit .. subtle) Long finish and very pleasing. No rough edges. Not overpowering. Expected more from this based on ratings. RP way too generous with 95 . However not a bad deal at all for Price $23. I have 11 more bottles to go .... can't wait.
Popped and poured with some delicious Thai food. Nose really developed after 30 mins of air with almond oil, pineapple and sweet tangerines. The wine is subtle yet strong with an oily roundness. I liked this wine and will buy more at $20.