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| Drinking window: Drink between 2022 and 2028 (based on 6 user opinions) |
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| Community Tasting Notes (average 89.3 pts. and median of 89 pts. in 16 notes) - hiding notes with no text | | | Tasted by Mdmiller on 7/20/2023: Took this to a tasting of De Negoce wines in May. Prepped wine with a short decant & then 24 hours in the open bottle. Good, complex, but still needs substantial cellar time. (1688 views) | | | Tasted by Eroling on 5/30/2023 & rated 90 points: Less memorable than before. Good flavor but lacking depth or finish. (1802 views) | | | Tasted by flydcjets on 4/5/2023 & rated 88 points: Good. Has come around a bit... (1790 views) | | | Tasted by cyc on 3/13/2023 & rated 87 points: Would be a nice Zinfandel maybe. Way too boozy and hot (1724 views) | | | Tasted by fingers on 4/29/2022: Seems very young and awkward to me and it really should have 2-3 more years of sleep.
Day 2 was much more enjoyable even though that firm grip of tannins (for a Pinot) is still in place (3214 views) | | | Tasted by Giller63 on 2/2/2022 & rated 90 points: Decanted from 60 degree cellar (ok, basement) and immediately poured first glass. Very shy on the nose at first. Red fruit on the palate, with the 14.9 percent abv evident but not offputting. This is a young, supposedly Platt vineyard pinot. At this point it is very primary but still an enjoyable sip. Have had older Platt's that developed wonderfully complex flavors and hope to make some of these last that long. But it is also very enjoyable now. Glad to have 12, er, 11 of these left. Would expect to see this score increase. (2578 views) | | | Tasted by Eroling on 1/29/2022 & rated 92 points: Really pleasant surprise. This was enjoyable and delicious. (2353 views) | | | Tasted by guillermo- on 12/4/2021 & rated 85 points: I’ve grown to hate this wine, bottle by bottle. And it’s on me. I should never have bought a 14.9% ABV Pinot. I don’t even buy Zins with that much alcohol.
I’ll grant Cameron that the alcohol is balanced. Sure. But there are many balances and the ripeness here is just too much for Pinot from anywhere. Now, that’s about me. My style. If you like big California Pinot, enjoy. People who do who I’ve served it to think it’s fine.
Note to self: Never buy any Pinot Noir with more than 13.8% ABV, preferably 13.5%.
Six more bottles… *sigh* (2552 views) | | | Tasted by Cfink119 on 11/14/2021 & rated 89 points: Nice wine. Improved with time open. Could use 1-3 more years to fully combine and mellow. (2457 views) | | | Tasted by rcb25 on 10/14/2021: Three blind dN Pinots: Red and black fruits and a bit of stems and oak on the nose. High in alcohol and ripe red fruits on the palate. Again, not as much structure as I'd like in a PN. (2688 views) | | | Tasted by EMichels on 7/29/2021 & rated 91 points: Improved over the first hour from opening to a strong, clean, bright cherry fruit; Medium weight and depth; Long Finish; Really nice (2975 views) | | | Tasted by guillermo- on 7/22/2021 & rated 89 points: The problem with creating insanely high expectations is the high potential for relative disappointment. This wine is a very good daily drinker. QPR is OK at the typical already-inflated-IMO California Pinot Noir pricing; questionable when considering world pricing. (Costco's 2016 Kirkland Barolo, my current QPR benchmark, was the same price without requiring a case purchase and was clearly superior in its style, and if you question the one point difference in my scores my answer would be to rate this lower, not that one higher.) There is no way this would credibly retail for "well over $100/bottle" as Cameron had said in the notes. But then again, IMO, the only wines in California that routinely sell at reasonable QPR are Zins and sparklers. I can see this retailing for $40. At that price I wouldn't buy it, but I'm sure some would.
It is not "pale ruby in the glass." It is medium ruby. Before using the words pale ruby to describe something please google pale rubies. Pale rubies are actually a deep pink. But I realize the Wine Folly chart made all the ruby colors darker so I'll give everyone a pass.
Pretty red fruits with a hint of cola and clove in the mouth. (I don't know where others get pepper.) Short finish. Linear. A cellar defender.
It is Burgundian in that the use of wood was judiciously restrained. No earthy or floral notes or minerality that I can detect however. IMO it seems too fruit-forward to be called Burgundian, but I'm not enough of a Burgundy connoisseur to opine that definitively.
I won't go out of my way to store bottles to age, but I still have 10 left, so some may end up accidentally aging. I seriously doubt this can go to 2030 without unbalancing as some suggest. But I could be wrong. Setting my outside date at 2026.
If you or your guests go in without expectations you might enjoy it. So, please do yourself a favor and do not read Cameron's notes before enjoying this wine. (2689 views) | | | Tasted by EMichels on 6/8/2021 & rated 90 points: Clean fresh fruit; Medium ripeness; Medium transparency; Nice (2692 views) | | | Tasted by mayakacz on 6/2/2021: Pale ruby.
Strong intensity aroma of blueberry, black cherry.
Dry, low tannin, medium+ acidity, medium alcohol. Light body. Medium intensity flavour of blueberry, pepper, VA. Short finish. (2571 views) | | | Tasted by WineGeek1989 on 5/2/2021 & rated 91 points: On the nose- Bright red fruits, fresh cherries, wild strawberries, red raspberries, fresh cranberries, wild red flowers, mountain herbs
On the palate- Bright red fruits and fresh cherries, wild strawberries and red raspberries, fresh cranberries and wild red flowers with a hint of mountain herbs on the finish. This is lush and super well put together but very young and need a 2 plus hour decant. This wine is still kind of tight being super young and needs at least 6months to a year if not longer to really settle down and being able to shine. I see this holding up for another 5-7 with not much problem at all (2056 views) |
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Pinot Noir is the Noble red grape of Burgundy, capable of ripening in a cooler climate, which Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot will not reliably do. It is unpredictable and difficult both to grow and to vinify, but results in some of the finest reds in the world. It is believed to have been selected from wild vines two thousand years ago. It is also used in the production of champagne. In fact, more Pinot Noir goes into Champagne than is used in all of the Cote d'Or! It is also grown in Alsace, Jura, Germany, the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Romania, Switzerland, Austria, Croatia, Serbia, Italy, and so forth, with varying degrees of success.
Pinot Noir is one of the world's most prestigious grapes. It is very difficult to grow and thrives well in France, especially in Champagne and Burgundy. Pinot Noir thrives less in hot areas, is picky on soil, and deserves some oak storage.
Pinot Noir, or Blauburgunder / Spätburgunder in German, is a blue grapevine - and, as the German name suggests, the grape comes originally from Burgundy in France.
The grape, which thrives in calcareous soils, is used primarily for the production of red wine, and it is widely regarded as producing some of the best wines in the world. The wine style is often medium-bodied with high fruit acidity and soft tannins. It can be quite peculiar in fragrance and taste, and not least in structure - which may be why it is referred to as "The Grapes Ballerina".
Pinot Noir is also an important ingredient in sparkling wines, not least in champagne since it is fruity, has good acidity and contains relatively little tannins.
The grape is considered quite demanding to grow. The class itself consists of tightly packed grapes, which makes it more sensitive to rot and other diseases.
Pinot Noir changes quite easily and is genetically unstable. It buds and matures early which results in it often being well ripened. Climate is important for this type of grape. It likes best in cool climates - in warm climates the wines can be relaxed and slightly pickled.
In cooler climates, the wine can get a hint of cabbage and wet leaves, while in slightly warmer regions we often find notes of red berries (cherries, strawberries, raspberries, currants), roses and slightly green notes when the wine is young. With age, more complex aromas of forest floor, fungi and meat emerge.
In Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Hungary, it often produces light wines with less character. However, it has produced very good results in California, Oregon and New Zealand.
With its soft tannins and delicate aroma, it is excellent for white fish, chicken and light meat. For the stored wines you can serve small game. Classic duck breast is a matter of course, a Boeuf Burgundy and Pinot Noir are pure happiness.
Pinot Noir loses quality by over-harvesting.
Pinot Noir is prone to diseases, especially rot and mildew. Viruses cause major problems especially in Burgundy.
Pinot Noir are large round grapes with thin skins. Relatively high in alcohol content. Medium rich tannins and good with acid.
As a young person, Pinot Noir has a distinctly fruity character such as raspberries, cherries and strawberries.
A mature Pinot Noir, the taste is different. Cherry goes into plum and prune flavors. It smells of rotten leaves, coffee, moist forest floor and animal wine. This must be experienced.
In warm climates you find boiled plum, some rustic, little acid.
If the grapes are over-grown, the wine will be thin, with little color and flavor.USAAmerican wine has been produced since the 1500s, with the first widespread production beginning in New Mexico in 1628. Today, wine production is undertaken in all fifty states, with California producing 84% of all U.S. wine. The continent of North America is home to several native species of grape, including Vitis labrusca, Vitis riparia, Vitis rotundifolia, and Vitis vulpina, but the wine-making industry is based almost entirely on the cultivation of the European Vitis vinifera, which was introduced by European settlers. With more than 1,100,000 acres (4,500 km2) under vine, the United States is the fourth-largest wine producing country in the world, after Italy, Spain, and France.California2021 vintage: "Unlike almost all other areas of the state, the Russian River Valley had higher than normal crops in 2021, which has made for a wine of greater generosity and fruit forwardness than some of its stablemates." - Morgan Twain-Peterson Sonoma CountyMendocino CountySonoma Coast * Sonoma Coast AVA (Wikipedia)
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