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| Community Tasting Notes (average 90 pts. and median of 90 pts. in 49 notes) - hiding notes with no text | | | Tasted by djhammond on 4/3/2024 & rated 91 points: Constructed to drink at a young age, this still needs a few hours in the decanter to really come alive. One of the best value estates from St Estephe, it always punches above its weight. This is no exception, and is a bridge between Cru Bourgeois and growth Bordeaux wines, generally both in terms of quality and price. It is very approachable and easy to drink. (1088 views) | | | Tasted by Silver Thunder on 4/3/2024 & rated 88 points: Aerated 4 hrs. Nothing special. Not much going on here and would not recommend this for collectors. Just not up to the level of complexity or QPR you can get from other St. Estephe's like the 2nd wine of Calon Segur: Marquis for instance blows this Meyney away. Don't want to be too harsh but worth the note. Tannins were soft, fruit barely apparent, and green hay prevalent. Will try another vintage this one ehhh. Paired with flat iron steak and grilled vegetables. (1039 views) | | | Tasted by Rallerboy888 on 4/1/2024 & rated 92 points: Drinking very well now! Very charming, great density of fruit and some mature tones. Might actually be better in 3-5 years. (1000 views) | | | Tasted by Portland Seth on 3/31/2024: This bottle was very oaky, I think the fruit will fade before the oak integrates. (926 views) | | | Tasted by jour-et-nuit on 1/14/2024: First bottle of an OWC-12. I bought the case on the clear recommendation of the Southwold Tasting "2012 Ten Years On" reported by Thomas Parker and published on 4th February 2022.
In fact, this bottle leaves me a little bit perplexed. The nose is fine and impressive (Merlot). It reminds me rather of right bank Pomerol.
But after this pretty entry, what happens then ? Hm, the wine is not green or hollow; but maybe a little weak in the middle. And the finish is hard and in fact quite short and tannic. These impressions only changed a single iota with more air (retasted some hours on the same evening and then after 24 and 48 hours and finally on the third day).
So either the wine is still too young to put everything in harmony and one has to be patient or this is the modern style of Meyney which you can't compare to the older vintages. (cf. the vertical MEYNEY-tasting 1954-2017: "Keine graue Maus mehr: Chateau Meyney 1954 – 2017", 12. November 2020 / Sebastian Schwander - https://mybestwine.ch/frankreich/reports-bordeaux/keine-graue-maus-mehr-chateau-meyney-1954-2017/
Or, there is some bottle variation ... and you try to be lucky with the next bottle! (1567 views) | | | Tasted by Philip_Bundpropperne on 11/25/2023 & rated 90 points: Rating: 4,0/5,0. (1504 views) | | | Tasted by kronfeld on 11/23/2023: Came on very strong and tannic on PnP. But then (after decant and 45 mins) died off almost entirely. Don't know. I'll wait another year or two and try again. (1314 views) | | | Tasted by djhammond on 11/18/2023 & rated 90 points: At the beginning of its drinking window, this needs a lot of air to open up. However, once it does, it is approachable and very pleasant to drink with cherry and chocolate notes with lingering cedar. At present the tannin on the finish does distract. (1345 views) | | | Tasted by Portland Seth on 11/8/2023 & rated 91 points: New leather, cassis, bay leaf, baker's chocolate, fennel. Not as good as the '09 or the '16 but just entering its drinking window so it might improve. I almost scored this 92 but the bitter chocolate is a little too strong. (1370 views) | | | Tasted by ducster72 on 10/14/2023 & rated 91 points: W/sous vide duck breast. Decanted for ~90 minutes. Beautiful, deep black cassis fruit and serious, no joke tannins. I enjoyed this this evening, but have to believe this will continue to get better over the next ten years. A lot more wine here than most 2012s. (1162 views) | | | Tasted by bucktown on 7/23/2023 & rated 90 points: First Meyney I've tried. It's a hard hitter of clay terroir like much of St. Estephe. It is drinking relatively well right now and only needed about an hour to come into its own. It was consumed over 3 days with day 1 notes consisted of fernet, cola, mocha, and iodine. Day 3 softened some of those harder edges and developed a nice cardamom note. Longer aging of 5-10 more years will probably allow more of those gentler aromas to develop. If you like bold terroir driven St. Estephe's at a good QPR, then give Meyney a try. (1388 views) | | | Tasted by Bonvivant99 on 7/17/2023 & rated 91 points: BV91 - 32EUR
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This is textbook bordeaux; who says they think red wine can't be minerally?
Like shoving your face in a stinky pile of dirt. Lead and wet rocks. Mud and beetroot. Dried leaves and branches. Tobacco and leather.
2012 is such a consumer vintage. Restaurants won't put this on their wine list because it's not prestigious enough, don't mind that at all because there's more for us wine drinkers at affordable prices. Drink now or within the next 3 years. Decanter not required. (1453 views) | | | Tasted by d'Yquembe Mutombo on 7/9/2023 & rated 92 points: Needs a minimum of 2 hours in the decanter and preferably 12-24. Don't even think about ordering this at a restaurant. Drinking absolutely perfect right now (with airtime). Classic bordeaux slightly on the austere side of the spectrum - tart plum and raspberry fruit. Cassis, tobacco, touch of wood on the nose. Lots of minerality and fine dusty tannins providing a backbone to the structure. Long finish.
Quite different than the 2012 Clos du Marquis tasted a few weeks ago and much more enjoyable at this stage. (1382 views) | | | Tasted by stamperb on 6/28/2023 & rated 90 points: Nose: Bright cherry fruit, thorny dark raspberry, stone. Palate: Surprisingly hard to pick out anything, rock powder and some background ripe cranberry emerge with time in the glass. Perhaps this is closed down now (not sure I've ever experienced this phenomenon), but it's very even overall on the palate. (1382 views) | | | Tasted by MostlyFrance on 6/16/2023: Really wonderful and excellent value.
Cool mint fruit. Wonderful St. Estephe. Long finish. Lovely (1316 views) | | | Tasted by Richard Nabavi on 3/11/2023 & rated 91 points: Medium-deep colour. Very fragrant, the nose is really very good. On the palate it's very well balanced, but on the light side. Still, there's quite a lot going on here. The finish is medium-length and slightly fresh, with some underlying acidity.
Overall very agreeable, and a success for the vintage. Ready to drink. (1702 views) | | | Tasted by Slaithwaite Palace on 2/15/2023 & rated 94 points: Dark ruby-ink red, black fruits and cassis, framed by well-integrated soft oak, earth and minerality. Full body and long finish.
Very good value (1694 views) | | | Tasted by -Tim- on 1/15/2022 & rated 91 points: Made from 42% Merlot, 40% Cabernet Sauvignon and 18% Petit Verdot. The 18% PV are rather unusually high for 2012, given low yield and quality for PV in that year. 37% new barriques maturation.
2h decant, which seemed alright.
Dark red-black colour. Palate feels well integrated with black berries, lots o grip tannins, tobacco, oak, olives, and pepper. Medium to long finish.
Early to mid drinking window I assume and ready to drink imo.
Gabriel: 18p
Wine Enthusiast: 90p
Vinous: 91p
Suckling: 91p
Parker: 90p (3143 views) | | | Tasted by LucV on 8/22/2021 & rated 93 points: Dark ruby red, subtle cassis, black fruits, soft oak, earthy notes and mineral background. Full body and nice structure, firm tannins but the whole remains fresh. Fresh bitter, somewhat reminiscent of black tea. Long finish. (3344 views) | | | Tasted by Jeff Leve on 6/16/2021 & rated 89 points: Ready to drink, medium-bodied, classically-classically-styled, with a nose of tobacco, cedar, green pepper and bright red fruits, the wine is slightly lean on the palate with fresh, bright, crisp red fruits in the finish. (5490 views) | | | Tasted by racerchris on 5/13/2021 & rated 90 points: Lighter weight (and lower alcohol) than other recent Meyney vintages, but fairly typical flavor profile. Still youthful, drinking well with just a little air. Nice, but at $40 it's not the best value. (3169 views) | | | Tasted by pilatus88 on 4/15/2021 & rated 90 points: I blame my prior note on a bad bottle as this one showed me wrong. Very nice punch structure and long strong fruity finish. All I want from St. Estephe. In drinking window. (3063 views) | | | Tasted by pilatus88 on 1/30/2021 & rated 88 points: A little bit disappointed as it has not developed as hoped. Still good but not great. (2023 views) | | | Tasted by Axelpeter on 12/24/2020 & rated 87 points: Zh) etwas rauh, (noch?) verschlossen, nicht zum allein trinken, wird sich wohl auch nicht mehr weiterentwickeln (1699 views) | | | Tasted by Mipesu on 12/23/2020 & rated 90 points: Frische Fruchtaromen von Waldbeeren und Himbeere. Noch leicht verschlossen und etwas raue Tannine, die sich nach ca. 1-2 Std. doch noch schmeichelhaft samtig legen.
Irgendwie ist der Genuss aber etwas verhalten, für mich noch ein Jungspund. Er braucht noch etwas Zeit, dann könnte alles noch weit harmonischer und balancierter wirken.
Gegenwärtig überwiegen die etwas aufdringlichen Aromen von unreifer Paprika (Cabernet Sauvignon?) und schwarzen Oliven. Dezent hingegen die Waldpilze. Ich freue mich, die nächste Flasche ab 2023 zu probieren. (1401 views) | | | Only displaying the 25 most recent notes - click to see all notes for this wine... |
| By Jancis Robinson, MW
JancisRobinson.com (9/25/2023)
(Ch Meyney St-Estèphe Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By James Lawther MW
JancisRobinson.com (6/22/2023)
(Ch Meyney St-Estèphe Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By Sebastian Payne MW
Decanter, Bordeaux 2012: ten years on tasting (3/3/2022)
(Château Meyney, St-Estèphe, Bordeaux, France, Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By Jancis Robinson, MW
JancisRobinson.com (2/10/2022)
(Ch Meyney St-Estèphe Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By Neal Martin
Vinous, Delivering Where It Counts: Meyney 1971–2017 (Jul 2020) (7/1/2020)
(Meyney Meyney Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By Jancis Robinson, MW
JancisRobinson.com (4/19/2017)
(Ch Meyney St-Estèphe Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By Jancis Robinson, MW
JancisRobinson.com (1/21/2016)
(Ch Meyney St-Estèphe Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By Antonio Galloni
Vinous, 2012 Bordeaux: Messages in a Bottle (Jan 2016) (1/1/2016)
(Meyney Meyney) Subscribe to see review text. | By Julia Harding, MW
JancisRobinson.com (3/21/2015)
(Ch Meyney St-Estèphe Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By Steven Spurrier
Decanter, Bordeaux 2012 results: Saint-Estèphe (4/19/2013)
(Château Meyney, St-Estèphe, Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By Chris Kissack
Winedoctor, April 2013 (4/1/2013)
(Château Meyney St Estèphe Red) Subscribe to see review text. | By Neal Martin
Vinous, A Century of Bordeaux: The Twos (Sep 2022)
(Meyney Meyney Red) Subscribe to see review text. |
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| Château Meyney Producer website – Read more about Chateau Meyney
U.S. Importer (Addt'l Info)Red Bordeaux BlendRed Bordeaux is generally made from a blend of grapes. Permitted grapes are Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc, Merlot, Petit Verdot, Malbec and rarely Carménère.Today Carménère is rarely used, with Château Clerc Milon, a fifth growth Bordeaux, being one of the few to still retain Carménère vines. As of July 2019, Bordeaux wineries authorized the use of four new red grapes to combat temperature increases in Bordeaux. These newly approved grapes are Marselan, Touriga Nacional, Castets, and Arinarnoa.
Wineries all over the world aspire to making wines in a Bordeaux style. In 1988, a group of American vintners formed The Meritage Association to identify wines made in this way. Although most Meritage wines come from California, there are members of the Meritage Association in 18 states and five other countries, including Argentina, Australia, Canada, Israel, and Mexico.France Vins de France (Office National Interprofessionnel des Vins ) | Pages Vins, Directory of French Winegrowers | French Wine (Wikipedia)
Wine Scholar Guild vintage ratings
2018 vintage: "marked by a wet spring, a superb summer and a good harvest"
2019 vintage reports
2021: "From a general standpoint, whether for white, rosé or red wines, 2021 is a year marked by quality in the Rhône Valley Vineyards. Structured, elegant, fresh and fruity will be the main keywords for this new vintage."
2022 harvest: idealwine.info | wine-searcher.comBordeaux Bordeaux Wine Guide
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History of Bordeaux
History of 1855 Bordeaux Classification
"2009 is all about ripeness, with wines impressively packed with ripe fruit and high alcohol levels. They are showy, in-your-face, and full of pleasure. The 2010s have the fruit and alcohol levels of the 2009s, but with a compelling freshness on the finish that balances the fruit and provides a perfect sense of structure." - Ben Nelson
"2016 is a landmark vintage in certain spots of Bordeaux and it should be remembered as one of the most inspired campaigns of the last 40-50+ years." -Jon Rimmerman
"The quality of red Bordeaux in 2016 was universally lauded – although the response to the en primeur campaign was muted. Quantity was high too, with the equivalent of 770 million bottles of wine produced. An exceptionally dry summer with cool nights eventually, thanks to mid September rain, resulted in small, thick-skinned, ripe grapes, and the wines are marked by high tannin and acidity, with superb aromatic fragrance." - Jancis Robinson
"2017 was complicated, but there are some excellent wines. Expect plenty of freshness and drinkability from wines that will offer excellent value, and others that will rival 2016 in terms of ripeness and ageability. But they are likely to be the exception not the rule, making careful selection key." - Jane Anson
"In the past, a vintage such as 2022 may have been overripe, raisined and low in acidity but 2022 had a sneaky little reservoir in its back pocket - a near perfect marriage of cool/cold/rain the previous winter and the previous vintage that literally soaked the soils (a key to why 2022 is not 2003...or 1893)." - Jon RimmermanMédoc Vins du Médoc (Conseil des Vins du Médoc) - Read More about the Medoc
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The eight precisely defined appellations of the whole of the Médoc (from Blanquefort Brook to the north of the Bordeaux built-up area, almost to the Pointe de Grave) may claim the Médoc appellation. But there is also a specific territory in the north of the peninsula which produces exclusively wines with this appellation. In the great majority, the Médocs come from the north of the peninsula. The great individuality of this region is that the number of vines has increased more recently here than elsewhere, apart from a few isolated spots where vines have grown for many years. Today, the size of the small estate has brought about the development of a powerful co-operative movement. Four co-operatives out of five belong to the group called Unimédoc which ensures aging, bottling and marketing a large proportion of their wines.St. Estèphe Read more about St. Estephe and its wines Whereas the first activity recorded in Saint-Estèphe goes back as far as the Middle Bronze Age, the first vines date from the Roman Occupation. But it was the Bordeaux merchants who by aging and selling Saint-Estèphe wines themselves were largely responsible for this appellation's fame. And in the nineteenth century, noted for its prosperity, the great estates of today were created. The movement continues today with the merging of small estates.
A land of great wines, Saint-Estèphe is situated almost in the centre of the Médoc, close to the Gironde Estuary. The appellation is equidistant from Bordeaux and the Pointe de Grave.
The beds of soil are characterized by their remarkable diversity, the result of their undulating relief and excellent drainage. Quartz and well-rounded pebbles mingled with light, sandy surface soil are found everywhere, giving the wines a distinctive finesse. And the subsoil is made up of the famous Saint-Estèphe limestone, which outcrops on the west of the commune.
Tasting
Thanks to ideal conditions of climate and geology, Saint-Estèphe wines are characterized by their sturdy qualities and robust constitution. Accordingly, they can be laid down for a very long time while yet preserving their youth and freshness. Distinguished by a subsoil which is more clayey than that in the other communal appellations which lie by the river, the wine here attains a distinctive individuality : a very rich tannic structure, a fine deep red colour and an exceptional backbone with aromas of great finesse.
Production conditions (Decree dated September 11, 1936):
In order to have the right to the Saint-Estèphe appellation of controlled origin, red wines must:
- come from the communes of Saint-Estèphe, "excluding any parcels in that area which are situated on recent alluvium and sand on impermeable subsoils",
- satisfy precise production conditions : grape-varieties (Cabernet-Sauvignon, Cabernet-Franc, Carmenère, Merlot Noir, Petit Verdot, Cot or Malbec), minimum of sugar (178 grammes - 6.27 oz. - per litre of must) degree (an acquired 10°5) base yield (45 hectolitres per hectare). |
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