Orange Sunshine (skin-fermented white wines)

La Ciccia, San Francisco
Tasted Thursday, July 30, 2009 by 5laton with 2,275 views

Introduction

Introduction

I organized this tasting for the Wine Disorder board as a smaller, west coast version of Levi Dalton's nearly-comprehensive "orange wine" event in NYC, which took place on the previous evening. New York Times wine writer Eric Asimov and Thor Iverson have both blogged about the NYC tasting.

All wines were tasted blind, although I personally knew which wines were in each flight. I tried to put the most structured, tannic wines in the second flight, but in retrospect I'd have swapped the Lunar and Ageno. While Ageno is the most tannic of all of these wines, stylistically (not to mention geographically) the Lunar more closely resembles the Friulano wines in the second flight.

For additional notes on our San Francisco tasting, Joe Manekin has blogged about it, and Richard Jennings has posted his own writeup on CellarTracker.

Flight 1 - 1st flight (6 Notes)

  • NV Frank Cornelissen MunJebel Bianco 3

    Italy, Sicily, Sicilia

    Very cloudy. Intense Gueze / Kombucha / cider vinegar character, but also some red wine personality. But just so very severe; even in an orange wine lineup this is furthest to left field. Can't imagine drinking this in a normal wine context, but I could see enjoying it in a similar vein to Isastegi Cidre: slightly chilled, on a hot summer evening. (tasted blind)

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  • 2006 Paolo Bea Santa Chiara

    Italy, Umbria

    Frequently shifting aromas, at times floral and stone fruit, other tipes ripe mandarin and exotic spice. Nice rich mouthfeel, some caramel. Probably the most generous wine in the flight, but there's some really nice complexity here. Fascinating evolution in the glass as well. (tasted blind)

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  • 2007 Monastero Suore Cistercensi Lazio Coenobium Rusticum

    Italy, Latium, Lazio

    Very distinctive, borderline strange nose, and a generous palate and mouthfeel, but trickier for me than the Santa Chiara. Seemed to want more attention than I could spare, and as organizer I just didn't have enough time with each wine. I was charmed initially but then found more to like in the Lunar and Santa Chiara. (tasted blind)

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  • 2005 Movia Lunar 8.

    Slovenia, Primorska, Goriška Brda

    Somewhat cloudy. High acidity. Initially difficult, but man did this open up with time in the glass. Layers of flavors, and just great purity to the fruit. My favorite of the flight. (tasted blind)

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  • 2008 Cowan Cellars Sauvignon Blanc Silver Pines Vineyard

    USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Mountain

    Starbright, pale yellow color. Not at all oxidative or in the orange vein. Pear skin, spice aromas. Very young and green-fruited. The skin contact shows here as a very slightly tactile, very subtle tannin effect on the palate. Shows potential, but for me this was too young and tight to really enjoy at this time. (tasted blind, though obvious from appearance what it was.)

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  • 2008 Natural Process Alliance Chardonnay "Skin Fermented" Sonoma Coast

    USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast

    Almond, green and stone fruits, subtle spice cake, bright acidity but with a touch of richness. Nice core of concentration and intensity. Just a faint hint of kombucha, barely above threshold for me. Tasty but even as one of the more restrained wines here, I wonder what you would eat with this? (tasted blind)

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Flight 2 - 2nd flight (6 Notes)

  • 2001 Gravner Ribolla Gialla Anfora

    Italy, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Venezia Giulia IGT

    Subtle, nuanced orange/apricot and dessert-like salted caramel aromatics. Subtle, tight palate, with classic marmalade and mandarin, saline and nicely textured. With time a slightly oxidized, creamy old wood component comes out, perhaps an indication of the 36 months this spend in cask. At room temperature there's slight warmth from alcohol; just a few degrees lower would take care of this. I liked this, but for me it was less focused than the Radikon or Vodopivec. (tasted blind)

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  • 2003 Damijan Podversic Kaplja

    Italy, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Venezia Giulia IGT

    Distinctive slightly oxidized nose of rock candy, butterscotch, toasted coconut, pineapple. My thoughts alternately ran to a piña colada and to older Tondonia Blanco, though this is nowhere near as enjoyable. Rich and full-bodied palate with somewhat roasted flavors that follow the nose. Lacks some freshness, and seems to have some flavors derived from extended time - too much, perhaps - in wood. (tasted blind)

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  • 2004 La Stoppa Ageno

    Italy, Emilia-Romagna, Emilia IGT

    Awkward, dirty nose. Very, very spicy palate, quite tannic, with some apricot but really a lot of weird savory, phenolic elements. Band-aid, medicinal, and weird. The winemaker and importer present both thought this was off the charts with brett. I knew this had to be the Ageno given the tannin, and I've really enjoyed this wine in the past but this bottle was a disappointment. (tasted blind)

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  • 2000 Zidarich Carso Vitovska

    Italy, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Carso

    Surprisingly, this isn't an orange wine at all; Zidarich must have started experimenting with extended skin contact sometime after 2000. Medium lemon yellow, slightly cloudy. Very odd, stinky nose with rancid coconut and butterscotch and coconut, not particularly attractive. Disjointed, tart palate. This was mostly ignored by the group as it didn't fit in at all.
    Given how unimpressive this was I was very surprised how much I enjoyed the leftovers the following night. Still some butterscotch and rancid butter notes on the nose, but more tolerable. Slightly oxidized, nutty palate, with sharp acidity and good richness. It's a more successful, functioning wine tonight, one that reminds me of an Arbois chardonnay with just slight oxidation. Regardless, out of place in this tasting. (tasted blind)

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  • 2002 Radikon Ribolla Gialla

    Italy, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Venezia Giulia IGT

    Very complex aromas of brine, orange marmalade, mineral, mint and other fresh herbs, almond. Great acidity and focus, with better freshness and purity than the wines preceding it in this flight. Good intensity in the mouth and length. Quite tactile and slightly tannic. This still needs time; the last glass the following night was very good. My wine of the flight. (tasted blind)

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  • 2004 Vodopivec Vitovska Venezia Giulia IGT

    Italy, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Venezia Giulia IGT

    Very nice. Marmalade, soft red fruit, green leaves. Fairly tight. I liked this a lot but really didn't spend enough time with it - once again as organizer, I was falling far behind. (tasted blind)

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Closing

Postscript

Many thanks to Jim Cowan and Kevin Kelley for their generous donations of wine samples.

While I appreciated the opportunity to taste many of these alongside each other, I think the exercise was of somewhat limited utility. Given the dramatic evolution most of these wines exhibit over many hours, I simply don't think they are great candidates for this kind of comparative tasting.

A few of the wines really stood out for me, however, and I'd love to have the opportunity to drink them again - preferably alone next time: '02 Radikon Ribolla Gialla, '05 Movia Lunar, and '06 Paolo Bea Santa Chiara.

I really needed more time with the '07 Rusticum and '04 Vodopivec Vitovska. I found these difficult to assess, even with an hour plus per flight.

The '08 Cowan Cellars sauvignon blanc, '08 NPA chardonnay, and '00 Zidarich Vitovska may have been fermented on their skins but they were not orange, not in color nor style. This probably did them no favors in the context of an orange wine themed dinner and tasting; these wines would have been better-appreciated on their own. Live and learn.

-slaton

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