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Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 2:45:44 PM   
Eduardo787

 

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Status: offline 		So, finally after 3 or so years I got invited to buy Scarecrow. I will keep it simple. I have to buy 3 bottles, they are $600+ tax+ shipping...so lets say $700. That is a LOT of money. Will I go into debt if I buy them ? no. Will I max credit card ? no. It is a matter of should I or not. This would be the most expensive bottle of wine I own and almost tripple the price of what I consider my ultra premium bottles ( Myriad Elysian, VHR, Pavie, Conseillante, Sassicaia).

I honestly need either a push or a stop from you. If this is really something quite unique, something of a bucket list thing ( I am not buying Screagle or Petrus), I would like to know. My comfort zone is the mid $100 to mid $200, so this is completely above my personal limit, but I can break that rule if its something that it is quite impressive.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 3:17:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		You already very clearly answered your own question.

NO

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 3:36:58 PM   
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You already very clearly answered your own question.

NO

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 3:37:43 PM   
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so this is completely above my personal limit


Personally, I tend to regret purchases that I make against my better judgement.

I honestly don't know how input from others will help you much. Based on your own words, it sounds like you think that you should not buy the wine, but don't want to regret missing out. IF that's really the case, I'd pass. At least that will leave you in a permanent state of epistemic ambivalence . (credit to The Big Bang Theory)

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 5:55:02 PM   
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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 6:06:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Recent vintages are still selling for around $900+ on the secondary market so if you have a way to sell a couple of the bottles you could have one bottle at a reasonable price.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 6:23:34 PM   
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Recent vintages are still selling for around $900+ on the secondary market so if you have a way to sell a couple of the bottles you could have one bottle at a reasonable price.

I’m in this camp. I bought again and have vintages since 2015. Still have plenty of people out there spending this much or more on Scarecrow. I had several customers purchase from their older vintage release last year and those were well above this price point.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 7:28:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Eduardo787

I honestly need either a push or a stop from you. If this is really something quite unique, something of a bucket list thing ( I am not buying Screagle or Petrus), I would like to know. My comfort zone is the mid $100 to mid $200, so this is completely above my personal limit, but I can break that rule if its something that it is quite impressive



Impressive to whom?

I would be just as impressed by the 20 or so amazing bottles of various favorites that could be bought for 1 bottle of 'crow.
That's just me.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 7:35:23 PM   
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This one time. I’ve had more regrets not buying wine than buying.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 8:24:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm with Dom - the only regrets I have are the things I could have done but DIDN'T do. If it ends up not being worth it, you can sell the other 2 bottles and move on with only minimal loss. Chalk it up to experience, and know that you can eliminate this from your mailing list offers. Frankly, I've had Scarecrow and found that I like Maybach Materium more. I'm not saying that Scarecrow is bad; I'm saying there's no way I'd buy it unless it were 1/3 of the price or less. There are several other CT members who love their product and are happy to pay that price. To each his own, and I'm not judging anyone for their wine preferences.



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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/7/2024 8:36:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Eduardo, I think you would love 'Crow. I am very happy I have some in my cellar. It is a beautiful wine, a true first growth.

Wines of this ilk do not make up the bulk of my cellar, but they certainly have a well-deserved place. I have no regrets about owning some.

Congrats on making the list.



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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/8/2024 1:54:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I’m guessing you will love the wine. But also that it will objectively not be better than other bottles you own, like VHR or Sassacaia, although perhaps distinctive enough to be unique.

So then you can ask: will you regret the second and third bottles?

I’m kind of in the same situation, although you and I are very different people. I can decide to spend $2100 on three bottles of Scarecrow, and my wife won’t walk out on me or anything. Yet it kind of bothers me to own those after I finally have them, because they are ultimately just wine. My friends won’t even care, even wine drinking friends. I do know some people who would be impressed, but they aren’t actually people I want or need to impress, just people I know from the regional wine crowd. In some sense, nobody except me would care, and while my wife would view it as a waste of money, she would put up with that rather than get in a fight over it.

Worse, you listed a few bottles I used to purchase for $45 or maybe $65. Granted, I mean back in the 1980’s but the point is that I look at the pricing on grand cru Bordeaux today and I remember that it isn’t like they are different bottles than back then.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/8/2024 1:55:13 PM   
KPB

 

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Status: offline 		PS: in fact I’ve had sips of Scarecrow a few times. I know how to source bottles. Haven’t done that…

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/8/2024 3:35:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		A buddy just got back from Napa auction week. One of the events was a recreation of Judgement of Paris. He told me that 'Crow finished 2nd.
I've been on the list for 15+ years or so--I love it.

Last year we did a 'Crow vs MAC tasting (MAC by a nose).

But buy to drink, not to flip. The secondary market is ~700 per bottle from businesses looking for bottles.
Edit--and btw don't buy M. Etain as a "Baby Scarecrow." It is a completely different wine (a blend).

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/8/2024 5:36:47 PM   
Eduardo787

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for all your comments, useful as always. I still have not bought the wine and there are times when I was going to press the BUY button and then turned off the computer. It is hard for me to justify a bottle of $700 mostly because nobody in my house drinks and all of the Marsupials are not into super expensive wines. Obviously I am not into reselling the wine even if it rises in price or whatever. I am someone that enjoys a $100 Ontogeny or a $150 Realm Bard, this $700 a bottle is uncharted territory..............

Have no idea if I will pull the trigger or not as I already have quite a lot of bottles for special ocassions.



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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/8/2024 8:54:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Eduardo787

Thanks for all your comments, useful as always. I still have not bought the wine and there are times when I was going to press the BUY button and then turned off the computer. It is hard for me to justify a bottle of $700 mostly because nobody in my house drinks and all of the Marsupials are not into super expensive wines. Obviously I am not into reselling the wine even if it rises in price or whatever. I am someone that enjoys a $100 Ontogeny or a $150 Realm Bard, this $700 a bottle is uncharted territory..............

Have no idea if I will pull the trigger or not as I already have quite a lot of bottles for special ocassions.




Don’t encourage idiotic wine prices. Just pass. Buy some 2nd Growth Bordeaux instead. Leoville Las Cases is way better and way less.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/9/2024 9:45:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I decided to pass. Maybe its worth it, but its above my comfort zone.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/10/2024 7:54:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I’m glad you reached the point of making a decision for yourself. To me there is no right answer on these things. Another person would just go for it, and be happy they did.

I myself would probably be buying this wine if was (quite a bit) cheaper, and if my cellar wasn’t so full. But while back I decided that I’m just not the kind of person who spends that amount on a bottle of wine. These days most wines I buy are $75 or less. From Napa, that wouldn’t work and I spend more — but am buying less and less Napa wine.

But the good thing is that the world is a big place, and lots of regions are making stellar wines now. What I’m not getting from Napa turns into some amazing wines from Israel, or France, or of course, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Chile and Argentina…

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/10/2024 7:52:38 PM   
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I decided to pass. Maybe its worth it, but its above my comfort zone.


Good choice. It’s not worth it.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/13/2024 12:38:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got in the list a couple years ago, and went through the same dilema as Eduardo. Ultimately I wanted to have a couple bottles of "napa 1st growth" to enjoy at some point in my wine journey, so I bit. Assuming I keep getting offers, my plan is to buy a couple times over the future vintages.

On a larger scale I have curtailed buying the VHRs and Maidens of the world (ie. other $250-350/bottle wines), and opting for bordeaux and better value napa wines for the cabernet blends.

Generally speaking I agree with this community that you are better off with a cabinet full of Leoville Poyferre or Barton, or Lynch Bages...


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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/13/2024 1:47:37 PM   
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"napa 1st growth"


Just curious. What makes Scarecrow "napa 1st growth"...besides the price?

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/13/2024 2:41:37 PM   
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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/13/2024 3:03:21 PM   
Wine Grove

 

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/13/2024 3:16:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wine Grove. No insult intended. I wasn't being sarcastic. A few people called Scarecrow "Napa First Growth" and since as far as I know, "first growth " is a French classification, I really am curious.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/13/2024 3:41:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pretty far tangent, but I remember reading Paul Gregutt's Wines and Wineries of Washington book (coincedentally and fortunately for me published in 2008, same year I moved here). I can't remember if he used the term "1st growth", but he clearly ranked wineries into 3-4 categories within his ranking of "Top Wineries". His criteria were quality, market penetration, innovation/creativity with varietals or other parts of winemaking, longevity and probably a few other things. I'll have to dig out the hard copy (signed by Paul G actually), but there are certainly ways to rank "top tier/2nd tier/3rd tier" besides price.

ETA... I dug it out, and his terms were/are: The Leaders (13 wineries), The Specialists (30), The Bench (30), The Rookies (45). It's a bit dated, some closures, and obviously some new big splash players, but it's pretty remarkable how accurately the names and ranking Paul G. assigned over 15 years ago are still valid.

He even has a scale where he assigns points to wineries on the things, sorta like I remembered. Style, Consistency, Value, Contribution are the categories with different point scale within each category. Chateau Ste Michelle and Columbia Crest (actually two brands within the same company) are listed separately as Leaders in Washington. They are certainly not there because of high price. I'd suggest maybe Robert Mondavi might be listed similarly for Napa, maybe others.

For those now curious, the 13 Leaders in Washington, listed Alphabetically in book, are:

Andrew Will
Betz
Cayuse
CsM
Columbia Crest
DeLille
Hedges
L'Ecole 41
Leonetti
Matthews
McCrea
Quilceda Creek
Woodward Canyon

Like I said, hard to argue much with this list even now, and I'm sad McCrea is no longer around.

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RE: Scarecrow allocation - 3/14/2024 4:54:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		The challenge with these designations is that it becomes relatively irrelevant too quickly. Napa has been around longer, and if you were to make a list 15 years ago, Scarecrow, Macdonald, and their current peers just started their first vintage. If you made the list in early 90s, Mondavi, Heitz, and Diamond Creek would be up there. If you go back further, maybe add Clos du Val and Montelena to the list. A lot of these wineries have changed hands and are a shell of themselves.

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