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1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/24/2019 2:44:57 PM   
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Good evening,

Over the past few months, I have tasted a few Bordeaux from the 1970s, more precisely Léoville Poyferré 1973 and 1975, Mission Haut-Brion 1979, Vieux Château Certan 1976 and Château Grand Saint-Julien 1975.

The least I can say is that it was overall underwhelming. Except perhaps for Léoville Poyferré 1975, all wines were either faded or felt fat and slightly queasy (not sure if these adjectives belong to wine tasting but well).

I was just curious to see if anybody has had better experience recently.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/24/2019 3:49:15 PM   
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My overall experience in tasting older wines has been that if you don't know the provenance of the bottle, it's a crap shoot. I've tasted some delicious 40 and 50 year old wines and some horrific 20 year old wines that should have only just been hitting their prime. Poorly cellared, moved around a lot, or badly transported, any good wine is going to have a short life. Well cared for, the Mission Haut-Brion 1979 and Vieux Château Certan 1976 should certainly both have still been drinking well.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/25/2019 8:00:13 AM   
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Years since I tried any of the '75's, but at one point I had half a dozen assorted 2nd-3rd growths. All showed well when I pulled the corks. I'd wonder about the storage also.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/25/2019 12:38:12 PM   
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I have had pretty good luck with the 78s. I would be drinking them now though, not much more life in them. Palmer and Leoville Barton stood out IIRC.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/25/2019 9:50:59 PM   
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Interesting post! The only Bdx I have from this decade is '76 La Mission, picked up six with known provenance for a steal at a charity auction.

Supposedly this is not a great wine, but it has shown well in the 3 I have opened, much better than I expected to be honest. I am not surprised; La Mission is one to age.

Like others have mentioned, I think provenance is very important with wines of this age. From what I have read, even the classified growths were way too sloppy with their techniques in the 70's, so would expect a lot of bottle variation.


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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/25/2019 9:58:10 PM   
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Only have had 1979 as a birth year
79 Cos - good but not great. Dried out and fruit faded.
79 Margaux - above average but not mind blowing. Really soft and beautiful to contemplate while drinking
79 Haut Brion - mind f- blown. Started smelling flawed. Didn’t dump down the drain. 2 hrs later it became exceptional. Plenty of fruit but also tertiary and depth. WowWeee

Got a 79 Mouton on deck to drink this year for 40th. That’s probably it. The vintage in general is definitely on the decline

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/28/2019 12:58:56 PM   
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Thank you all for your posts! The bottles I had seemed okay (TS/HS and undamaged capsules). Perhaps the seventies were a lost decade

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/28/2019 2:29:44 PM   
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I haven't heard too many recent good reviews of '70s Bordeaux. It could be most were drunk in the 90s. I did, however, taste a 1970 Lynch Bages that bacchus opened at his home. It was fantastic.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/28/2019 3:35:15 PM   
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1970 was supposed to be the best year. I’ve thought of trying a Gruaud about 5 years iago but chickened out.

Skebum has drunk a bunch of old 70s Bordeaux before his dad passed filtering through unbleached coffee filters. He said some were really impressive but his father only had top stuff.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/28/2019 4:01:00 PM   
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The 70's sucked in Bordeaux. Only good vintages were 1970 & 1978. I have a few....not sure when i will open them.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/29/2019 12:22:24 PM   
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The 70’s are a lost decade for a lot of people. I know my brain cell count decreased substantially during the 70’s. But I have to disagree with it being a lost decade for Bordeaux. Last month I enjoyed a 1976 Mouton, a 1979 Mouton and a 1975 Latour from my cellar. Granted the 1976 and 1979 were never stellar wines, but they were good and are still good and holding on to the last vestibules of fruit. I gave them both 84’s. The 75 Latour is a very good wine and is still vibrant with a good life ahead of it. I gave it a 90. Last year I pulled a 1970 Latour and it was still holding up well and was very good and garnered an 87.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 3/29/2019 3:00:07 PM   
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For me, I'm jealous of the tasting this is heading for (presumably), aimed at trying repair the mental damage done by your unlucky experiences.

In the past I tried many 1970's Bordeaux. Those were real classic vintages, like 70, 75, 78. That was also pre-Parker, which is kind of like "pre-global warming and pre-Phylloxera" in terms of prevailing style. Wines that were hard as nails on release, totally closed, and have opened at a snail's pace. I wasn't really maintaining a good cellar in those days and don't own any, but if I wanted to show people aged Bordeaux today, I would be hunting for 1975, probably, with a focus on wines like Haut Brion, Lafite, Petrus (obviously, you may need to sell a kidney to pay for these), Cheval Blanc, maybe Margaux. And it would be one of those once-in-a-lifetime experiences too, except for people like Neal Martin, who do tastings like this every few weeks.

But on the other hand, one reason I never got very deeply into cellaring Bordeaux is that I realized I kind of like riper wines -- not the kind Parker favors, but what I'll call the leaner side of the Napa style at the higher end of the market. Those older Bordeaux tend to have a higher level of tannins and can be drier and more tart than I really favor. And given that this kind of lineup would set someone back by $25,000 or more, plus might have some faked bottles in it if sourced from today's market, it wouldn't be worth it for me. Maybe this is why you were underwhelmed.

Good luck with your investigation of the question! Let us know once you decide what wines to track down...


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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 4/23/2024 3:10:20 AM   
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Revisiting my old posts, I thought I'd update this one.

Since 2019, I've had a couple of bottles of Ducru-Beaucaillou 1970 that I got at an auction and were very good.

And then in October 2023, I had a 1970 Giscours that was absolutely glorious. I wouldn't hesitate to buy this wine again at the right price.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 4/23/2024 4:13:28 AM   
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I also opened a 1970 Chateau Marquis d'Alesme last year that was wonderful. I don't spend much time on auctions, but I would be willing to explore if the price was right.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 4/23/2024 6:00:44 AM   
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If you can find the 1977 Pontet Canet from good storage, that particular wine was a standout. But it was fully mature 25 years ago so storage is key!

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 4/23/2024 8:01:04 AM   
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I've had a couple of dozen or so 1970s Bordeaux, and found that provenance is key, and bigger is better. In 2010 I did a vertical tasting of Chateau Lanessan, dating back to 1959, and including 1970, 1971 and 1975. All were enjoyable, surprisingly so. One had some severe funk that gave the appearance of being an off bottle, but that blew off after 30 minutes or so. The backup bottle didn't have the same funk. Another vertical I've done was Chateau Beau-Sejour Becot for a fundraiser in 2016. Vintages dated back to 1970, including 1970, 1976, 1978 and 1979. All were enjoyable, though the ones that held up best were in magnun (1976) and 3L (1979), which is not surprising given the age of 40 years give or take at the time. Being born in 1977, I've had sought out a few first growth bottlings from that year, including Latour in 2008, Margaux in 2013 and Mouton in 2022. 1977 was not a good year, but these were all still enjoyble.

Sweet wines are a different story. My wife doesn't like Sauternes, however she's very fond of 1975 Rieussec, so that's one I've made a point of picking up when available, and even with some bottle variation each has been at minimum good, at it's best phenomenal.

Across the board, the reds were wines for people who like old Bordeaux. Tertiary characteristics abounded, with the exception of the 1979 Beau-Sejour Becot in 3L which retained some youthfulness in it's fruit.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 4/23/2024 8:17:32 AM   
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After 1961, we had to wait until 1982 for the next really excellent vintage in Bordeaux, and then they started coming much more frequently. The 1970s, indeed 1968 to 1981, was an overlong and unhappy decade for Bordeaux. It is often said that 1970 was the best year of the decade, but then the competition was very weak. Much of the rest of the more northerly vineyards in Europe had great vintages in 1971 and 1976, but the outcome was much less satisfactory in Bordeaux.

In 1990 I attended a 20-yr retrospective tasting of about a dozen 1970 wines from the Médoc. It was very underwhelming. That tasting included at least one wine from each of the 5 cru classé levels, though I later learned that Lafite was the most disappointing of the 1er cru classés that year. My come-away was, if that was what 20-yr-old wine from the best year of the 70s was like, I'll spend my money on Rhones and Australians, thank you. Though a friend introduced me to what nice ripe Bordeaux from the 80s was like, even from fairly modest properties, and my attitudes adjusted - but I stuck to good years.

But actually the best wines of the decade came from 1978. Though it doesn't really count, because the crop was practically wiped out, but what little survived was exceedingly good. Though pretty much unavailable. N Rhone '78s were similarly brilliant but almost unavailable.

1968 - Bad
1969 - Bad
1970 - A decent vintage, but not a great one - from 1961 you had to wait until 1982 for next one.
1971 - A difficult vintage with mixed results - most of the better wines came from the right bank. A big disappointment in view of what a great vintage it was not so far away, like Loire and Germany.
1972 - Dreadful
1973 - Bad, but just about OK enough that the occasional decent wine could be made
1974 - The worst vintage for a very long time
1975 - Over-tannic wines that rarely came around. A lot of excitement in early sales, after hot weather, but the vignerons didn't know how to handle it. Probably if repeated today, much better wine would be made.
1976 - Dilute, short-lived wines. Another massive disappointment after the hot summer that made brilliant wines in other parts of Europe. But Bordeaux got a deluge just before the vintage.
1977 - Dreadful
1978 - A tiny crop of truly excellent wines. The crop was mostly destroyed by bad spring weather. Sometimes called the miracle vintage, for what was made after the early destruction.
1979 - Acceptable but early drinking wines
1980 - Poor, short-lived
1981 - Acceptable but early drinking wines

If a producer of (at the time) rather modest reputation somehow made an excellent 1977, I would be inclined to ask, in as vague as way as possible, whether the contents of the bottle were entirely French. For That Kind Of Thing Used To Go On, and managed to continue for a while through night-time movements of contraband, albeit at a diminishing rate after it was Officially Put A Stop To. I had a similarly improbably excellent 1981 from Hermitage - which had its 1974 experience that year - from a second division producer, and I don't really mind. I searched out every bottle I could find of it. In some ways it was no bad thing that it did go on. If someone in Australia blended some wine from regions 1000s of km apart to make something good, we'd applaud. Perhaps transparency is better than illegality.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 4/23/2024 8:33:10 AM   
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I would pass on buying any 1970s Bordeaux right now.

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 4/23/2024 9:31:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DoubleD1969

I would pass on buying any 1970s Bordeaux right now.


Agreed

Generally also agreeing with Echinosum’s commentary, except my memory of ‘68 is that it was much worse than any of the 7x’s, definitely worse than ‘69 and only equalled by ‘63 and ‘65. A general caveat is that there were occasional gems - possibly not all due to imports from warmer climes
77 also made some of my worst memories of Burgundy

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RE: 1970s vintages in Bordeaux - 4/23/2024 7:44:45 PM   
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Try to locate the followings, they are very good wines.

1. ‘78 Latour
2. ‘79 Pichon Lalande
3. ‘75 Haut Brion

I am slowly drinking down a case each of the PLL and HB.

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