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2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 6:10:55 AM   
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The hype machine is already starting...

Email missive last evening from the estimable Mr. Rimmerman (Garagiste) began with, "Folks, we just may have the single most anticipated vintage of the modern/post 1961 Bordeaux era on our hands. Yes, I’m serious."

I have seen a few other things hinting at this as well.

So what is the deal? Those in the trade, are you hearing similar comments at this point? It seems to me I remember (almost) similar comments a year ago. "2015 Bordeaux is amazing!" "Back up the truck!"

More hype? Just trying to outdo last-year's (and the year before's) hype? Or is this somehow different? Reviews and futures will start coming out in a month or two, but curious to know what others may have heard.
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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 6:33:19 AM   
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Not heard anything really on the trade side yet.

Early signs were good though. This does seem to be the media hype cycle though doesn't it... declare one year to be great and then ride on the coattails of it and declare the next one even better! Well, it could be great... anyway, below is from Jancis Robinson's site.

wait I had pasted the whole article but actually it is free for all... Jancis Bordeaux Article

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 7:11:04 AM   
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Interesting read from Jancis.

Here is a similar take on the harvest from Wine Spectator:
http://www.winespectator.com/webfeature/show/id/Wine-Harvest-Report-2016-Bordeaux

So, if 2014 was: "Wow! Really good! Best in years!"
and 2015 was: "Incredible! Far outshines the 2014s!"
and 2016 turns out to be: "Best of the century!"....

I can't wait to hear the hype for 2017.



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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 8:06:59 AM   
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Of course every year is a "back up the truck" year! After all, it's been that way in California since 2012. Aaaahhhhh, marketing!

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 10:14:03 AM   
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It's pretty disgusting. It reminds me of 2008, then 2009 capped by 2010.

Of course you could substitute 2004, 2005 and then such an over hyped 2006. I remember them saying that 2005 and 2006 were the best back to back vintages since 95-96 and so on.

Really 2000, was the best vintage of comparison to 1945, with 2005 right up there but like 2009-2010, there were many over ripe wines out there.

The fact that decent weather, lack of hail and better wine making, grape sorting and overall shared knowledge should make 2014-2016 very good wines, however they come at prices, especially the '15-'16 at 2009-2010 which were and are so overvalued. France and the more established wine makers are very much spending bank on marketing. With the fall of the Euro and Brecht devaluing the pour their hope is to price wines high and hope the Americans buy into the hype.

If you are a young person and have coi to stock up by all means buy as you see fit. Of course buying older vintages of mention are probably a better plan unless pricing gets better.

With Italy not having a bad vintage in ages and the quality of Tuscan Bordeaux blends at all time highs at a fraction of what the super secondscare asking for in these years, this is where I am putting money as my cellar is still filled with Bdx from 2003-2010 and I did buy a few select 2012 and 2014.

I love Bordeaux wines but like champagne, the better houses choosing not to make vintage wines in some of the more heralded vintages such as 2008, and 2012-2013 because they got blasted for making vintage in 2003, or 2005 and 2007.

It saddens me to see Crustal not making a wine in 2008 or 2012. Why Krug chose 2003 only Krug and LVMH know but they didn't make a 2092 or 2004.


Bordeaux is hyping and throwing marketing money around to supposedly save the region and keep it steady as one of the premier areas for wine in an age where everybody is making pretty damned good Bordeaux blends in the new world from the Italians to Andrew Will, FM, plenty in Napa, New Zealand and Oz as well. Don't forget harder to find South Africa and Argentina/Chile.


Considering how many great vintages Ireno has had, for $50, if you buy from somebody that discounts to so many Tuscany bdx blends that were previously unavailable on American shores or at just a few retailers...

I'm buying wines like Orma, Oreno even Saffredi "Pupile", rather than bothering with Sassicaia, Ornellaia and even Guado al Agassi as there isn't a need to spend that C note per bottle when you can buy close to 2 of the others. Great terroir, using French Oak...BTW buy Ornellaia's second wine if you love the oak. Le Serre Nuove is a very, very good well oaked Bdx blend that needs 15-20 years. I will cherry pick Bordeaux as I have done in 2014. It won't be wines that are in the 1855 classification but more wines designated Bourgeois and Bourgeois Spueriore as well as some from Fronsac, the Medic and Lalande de Pomerol.

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 1:56:31 PM   
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I've heard whispers of surprisingly great quality for 2016.

I started en primeur 2008 and have a few cases of that and 2009 and 2010, a couple from 2011 and one from 2012; then bought more 2014 and even more 2015 recently and I expect I will dip into 2016 if it's very good. I don't need several tonnes of it - my cellar of very fine wines is getting big enough for my expected lifetime. I don't imagine - nor want to be - drinking the best money can buy every time I open a bottle: it would all get rapidly out of perspective.

I think that much good to fine Bordeaux remains competitively priced on the world stage frankly.

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 2:14:00 PM   
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I will cherry pick Bordeaux as I have done in 2014. It won't be wines that are in the 1855 classification but more wines designated Bourgeois and Bourgeois Spueriore as well as some from Fronsac, the Medic and Lalande de Pomerol.

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+1

The top growths are dangerously close to devoting as large a proportion of their expense to marketing as do Coke and Budweiser. I prefer to buy where price has some relationship to quality

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 2:25:39 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

I will cherry pick Bordeaux as I have done in 2014. It won't be wines that are in the 1855 classification but more wines designated Bourgeois and Bourgeois Spueriore as well as some from Fronsac, the Medic and Lalande de Pomerol.

My $0.02


+1

The top growths are dangerously close to devoting as large a proportion of their expense to marketing as do Coke and Budweiser. I prefer to buy where price has some relationship to quality


Yeah i find i enjoy something like leoville barton 4-5 times more than some bordeaux that is 4-5 times cheaper. But i don't enjoy a first growth 5-10 times more than leoville... probably not even twice as much... glad to have made that discovery early on. First growths will i am sure always remain a tiny proportion of my inventory and be brought out just for the name quite frankly. Eg i love carmes haut brion at roughly £40/bottle. Will haut brion at 10x price but so much more pleasurable?!

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 2:40:49 PM   
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The most hype i"ve heard recently concerns the Riesling 2015s. What do you guys think?

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 2:54:10 PM   
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The most hype i"ve heard recently concerns the Riesling 2015s. What do you guys think?


Is it really hype if it's true? 2015 is looking like the real deal. Plus, there isn't the annual "Vintage of the Century" bull every year for M/S/R. The last season to get a lot of chatter like this was 2010. I don't remember it for 2011, 2012, or 2013 which were pretty good vintages.

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 3:05:41 PM   
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Drank a prum graacher kab 2015 tonight. Deserves the hype imo...

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 3:14:40 PM   
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Drank a prum graacher kab 2015 tonight. Deserves the hype imo...


Graacher Himmelreich is the best of Prüm's offerings in 2015.... although I believe that every year. Every one of the producers we favor really shined in '15, even the inexpensive Heinz-Eifel. When the lower end bottles are still stellar, you KNOW it's a good vintage.

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 3:31:31 PM   
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It saddens me to see Crustal not making a wine in 2008 or 2012. Why Krug chose 2003 only Krug and LVMH know but they didn't make a 2092 or 2004.



I had heard that Roederer was releasing the Cristal out of order. The 2009 now, and the 2008 later.



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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 3:49:21 PM   
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Oooof. I have barely got past thinking about the 2011s. It is interesting to see how far off the radar Bordeaux has gone in terms of where people would spend their cash - EP is outdated and unnencssary for a region like Bdx where the volumes are huge and the availability is ubiquitous.

There was a very interesting articcle in some newspaper somewhere at somepoint somewhere in England that was talking about how younger people dont even consider Bordeaux as a wine to buy. A quick look at a lot of wine merchants in England would back up that point.



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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 3:53:16 PM   
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There was a very interesting articcle in some newspaper somewhere at somepoint somewhere in England that was talking about how younger people dont even consider Bordeaux as a wine to buy. A quick look at a lot of wine merchants in England would back up that point.



Bordeaux = boredom.

..... or, as I've said before: When it comes to Bordeaux, I bordeaun't.

Remember that younger people don't like what their parents like, even if they do like it. It's a rebellion thing. They'll come around just like we did.

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 3:56:20 PM   
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I stopped buying Bdx about 5 years ago......but I have to say some really good Bdx Superieur wines have got me back on track.
Note: not the good stuff that needs 20 years.....lower level Bdx which is a real treat - excellent with food and not heavy,

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RE: 2016 Bordeaux - 3/17/2017 5:05:29 PM   
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2016 Bordeaux = very ripe

Quality is always very good, but the vintage style is not sounding like something i would enjoy. I might purchase a mixed case or two of 2015 but these days i'm leaning towards Burgundy.

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