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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/22/2023 8:35:02 AM

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I just attended a 20th anniversary dinner at Lark with Christophe and his wines. Not surprisingly excellent food and wine pairings. The highlight was a side by side pour of 2016 Horsepower Tribe Syrah and 2016 Bionic Frog. They were remarkably different. The BF was really elegant -- not an adjective I normally use with Cayuse wines. The funk was there but nicely integrated -- very smooth and gentle on the palate. Except for the annual party this is the first time I have had a BF this young, and at least for 2016 it was pretty amazing. No sense it is going to fall apart any time soon. The HP Tribe was for me a more traditional Cayuse profile -- strong funk, ash, dark meats. Quite well done in that style, but so very different than the BF. Makes me glad that I have not given up my allocation of that one!

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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/22/2023 5:03:34 PM

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I've only been on the Cayuse list for 5 years or so, after waiting for 9+, but it already feels like we so much (70+ bottles, not including Horsepower and No Girls), I'm either going to need to try more of it too young, or give up some of our offerings blind. With wish list adds we now have everything except Pig and Frog, and it's just too much, especially given how long we plan on cellaring the bulk of it.

In a similar boat. Now have allocations for everything I want except for Pig and BF, and while I haven't been on the list all that long, I feel like Cayuse is taking over my cellar!

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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/22/2023 6:04:29 PM

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markandsusan, like many of my wine opinions, this one might be in the minority, but I think Cayuse et al drink quite well just three or four years out of vintage. To me, the asset profile and heft is similar to for instance many Turley's Zinfandel, which can age for a while but also drink well up front too.

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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/22/2023 9:32:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: markandsusanw

I've only been on the Cayuse list for 5 years or so, after waiting for 9+, but it already feels like we so much (70+ bottles, not including Horsepower and No Girls), I'm either going to need to try more of it too young, or give up some of our offerings blind. With wish list adds we now have everything except Pig and Frog, and it's just too much, especially given how long we plan on cellaring the bulk of it.

In a similar boat. Now have allocations for everything I want except for Pig and BF, and while I haven't been on the list all that long, I feel like Cayuse is taking over my cellar!

Yellow capsules on the wall, yellow boxes on the floor. I am familiar with that problem.

As a business guy, I applaud their genius in marketing. As a wine guy, I learned that what you don't purchase will not be offered again for a number of years.

Since everything comes in 3's, I would recommend opening some early, and deciding what style you really like the best. I stopped purchasing the GOK, Armada, and Widowmaker Cab Sauv first; and Frog, en Cerise, and Camaspelo last.

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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/24/2023 9:20:38 AM

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I am pondering how much longer I'll buy Cayuse. I'm not getting younger, and we really don't have anyone to leave the collection to. Plus storage is again becoming an issue. I might just stay in for two or three wines and stop buying the rest in a couple more years. At going on 63 I am no longer interested in wine that need 15-20 years of age to hit their peak.

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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/24/2023 9:52:43 AM

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So surely the answer is to buy Cayuse when it's ready? Here in HK I can readily buy Cayuse (for example Bionic Frog from many vintages from 2004 onwards), so I guess it is much more readily available in the USA.

But having said that, I can never see any wine justifying a price of ~US$400/bottle. I'd far rather drink 10 bottles of $40 wine which is 99% as good.

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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/24/2023 4:19:50 PM

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… Here in HK…

So, you are back in China?

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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/24/2023 5:20:49 PM

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So surely the answer is to buy Cayuse when it's ready? Here in HK I can readily buy Cayuse (for example Bionic Frog from many vintages from 2004 onwards), so I guess it is much more readily available in the USA.

But having said that, I can never see any wine justifying a price of ~US$400/bottle. I'd far rather drink 10 bottles of $40 wine which is 99% as good.

A lot here not quite getting it right about Cayuse.

Cayuse doesn't NEED more than a few years to settle down. You can drink it old but don't have to.

And as futures bottles start under 80 bucks. Which is a great reason to buy from the club if it's a wine you want more of. I agree the.secondary market prices are largely not worth it, particularly in terms of opportunity cost against other wines.

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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/25/2023 4:26:19 AM

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So, you are back in China?

Apart from an exploratory few weeks in the UK/Europe earlier in the summer we never left. At the end of the day, the political situation here isn't bad enough (yet) to justify the financial cost of moving our tax residence almost anywhere except HK (i.e. from zero tax on income to ~30%+). We sold our apartment and are now renting a serviced apartment so that we have the flexibility to move quickly if necessary.

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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/26/2023 9:53:10 AM

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So surely the answer is to buy Cayuse when it's ready? Here in HK I can readily buy Cayuse (for example Bionic Frog from many vintages from 2004 onwards), so I guess it is much more readily available in the USA.

But having said that, I can never see any wine justifying a price of ~US$400/bottle. I'd far rather drink 10 bottles of $40 wine which is 99% as good.

A lot here not quite getting it right about Cayuse.

Cayuse doesn't NEED more than a few years to settle down. You can drink it old but don't have to.

And as futures bottles start under 80 bucks. Which is a great reason to buy from the club if it's a wine you want more of. I agree the.secondary market prices are largely not worth it, particularly in terms of opportunity cost against other wines.

Yeah, my "fear" (and it's not an actual fear, more a justification) is of missing out on a wine I could never afford if I didn't get it direct which is why I haven't cut any of my Cayuse offerings YET. But with the latest wish list granting I'm up to two full cases a year, which tests both my needs and my wallet. I'm sort of thinking of giving up on Horsepower and/or No Girls, instead. Though the former has more we've actually sampled and enjoyed, and the Double Lucky No Girls is a relative bargain that is quite good, and a great way to introduce others to this style of Washington wine.

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RE: I think I don't want to buy any more Cayuse - 9/26/2023 2:18:44 PM

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great post, and I understand completely. hard feeling to express and you did it well

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