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Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 12/30/2023 7:01:24 PM   
Wine Grove

 

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Status: offline 		I’m just saying.

A 2021 William Mary just made this epiphany quite clear. To me This was quite good and only got more amazing by day 3. Nothing worse than drinking a premium wine beyond its peak.

I am going to pull the corks on some 2012 and 2013 (Schrader, seavey , others) napa wines and I’m wondering if they would even stack up to this 2021 William Mary.
often I am disappointed with new world wines over 10 years old. That is the context of this post.

Don’t have this concern with the old world wines as much.
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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 12/31/2023 3:47:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like you like your wines relatively youthful. There are plenty of Napa (Cabernet) concerns that are rocking longer than a decade-old and a few from 1968/1969 that are still hitting the high notes. No judgement here. Some people only like to drink skeletons.

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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 12/31/2023 12:05:08 PM   
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Sounds like you like your wines relatively youthful. There are plenty of Napa (Cabernet) concerns that are rocking longer than a decade-old and a few from 1968/1969 that are still hitting the high notes. No judgement here. Some people only like to drink skeletons.

We drank an unbelieveable '69 BV at the Charleston Offlineorama, but modern-style Napa wines are not built that way. Many rock star Napa winemakers have told me, "8-10 at the most."

@WG--'12 Schraders ain't getting any better IMO. I'm plowing theough mine.

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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 12/31/2023 12:10:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I buy almost entirely new release wines and often like to open one if it's new to me, new producer especially, so I do a lot of "first looks". Tells me a lot about the wine/producer if they are unfamiliar to me. Some are for sure infanticide, but I do it in the name of science.

I also like to age 10+ years wines that I think "need" it, Big Cabs, Nebbiolo, BdM, Oregon Pinots. Not so much on Syrah, Grenache, Mourvedre, as they seem to drink fine early or later for my palate. I have particularly seen some of my WA Syrah go downhill quickly after 8-10 years, and I want to drink and enjoy it.

I looked at my CT Cellar just now, current age is average 2016.4, so a good balance of new and age, I think and more entering the 8+ year range than under. This would be an interesting stat to track over time, because I am sure my cellar age was somewhere 3-4 years, maybe less, past vintage when I started tracking with CT in 2009. Lots has changed in the past 14 years, one benefit of buying and growing/making way too much wine is that it's now gotten old on me.

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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 12/31/2023 12:46:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wine Grove
I’m just saying.

A 2021 William Mary just made this epiphany quite clear. To me This was quite good and only got more amazing by day 3. Nothing worse than drinking a premium wine beyond its peak.

I am going to pull the corks on some 2012 and 2013 (Schrader, seavey , others) napa wines and I’m wondering if they would even stack up to this 2021 William Mary.
often I am disappointed with new world wines over 10 years old. That is the context of this post.

Don’t have this concern with the old world wines as much.

If you like them that young, you should somehow put them in a lineup with something like The Prisoner or similar. You may save yourself $$$ long term. 😬

I had a couple of Seaveys this year - 2011 - 2013. One was rocking while the other was served too warm and competed with a 1991 Diamond Creek VH.

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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 12/31/2023 5:50:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wine Grove

Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles)

I’m just saying.



Soft tannins are what I want, so I'm exactly the opposite. We just drank a couple 2002 Lokoyas a few weeks ago and they were stellar.


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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 1/1/2024 8:26:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		It depends ……. This week really pointed that out. Last night we had three wines. 2008 Dom - delicious but will certainly be better in 5+ years. 1990 Dunn Howell Mountain - in a perfect place right now. It would have been a waste to drink this at a young age. 2005 Geantet-Pansiot Gevrey-Chambertin en Champs - Also in a nice spot. This has at least 15 more years left in it. On the other side, this week we have several 2013 Littorai Pinots. All of these would have been better a few years ago.

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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 1/1/2024 1:22:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Depends a great deal on the wine: I find it hard to generalize across very different styles of wine, varietals and regions. But with some exceptions I agree with the thread title.

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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 1/2/2024 10:09:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Like others have said…Depends on the wine. I can’t imagine drinking a 2021 Philip Togni, Dunn Howell Mountain or Tignanello. The over ripe CA fruit bombs…No problem. They are ready to go before they’re bottled

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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 2/2/2024 5:10:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tonight re-enforced my it depends comment, Meatloaf, mashed potatoes and broccoli for dinner. Opened a 1999 Lynch Bages. Last bottle of a case purchased EP. All I can say is that I wish this was the 4th bottle opened and not the last. Wonderful wine that has many many years left. I drank too many of these too early.

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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 2/2/2024 6:13:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree. This particular style of young wine is often very awkward on pulling the cork, but with Napa Cabernet somehow they transform overnight and are fantastic on day two and three. Better, in fact, than at age 15.

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RE: Infanticide is better than senicide (of wine bottles) - 2/3/2024 9:05:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DoubleD1969


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wine Grove
I’m just saying.

A 2021 William Mary just made this epiphany quite clear. To me This was quite good and only got more amazing by day 3. Nothing worse than drinking a premium wine beyond its peak.

I am going to pull the corks on some 2012 and 2013 (Schrader, seavey , others) napa wines and I’m wondering if they would even stack up to this 2021 William Mary.
often I am disappointed with new world wines over 10 years old. That is the context of this post.

Don’t have this concern with the old world wines as much.

If you like them that young, you should somehow put them in a lineup with something like The Prisoner or similar. You may save yourself $$$ long term. 😬

I had a couple of Seaveys this year - 2011 - 2013. One was rocking while the other was served too warm and competed with a 1991 Diamond Creek VH.


Comparing a William and Mary to a Prisoner is a jailable offense.

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