Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough?

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Jenise -> Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/10/2024 2:44:51 PM)
I just read thru the Rating Similarity thread coincidentally after just thumbing thru recent TNs of mine on Chablis wines to recover the name of a recent wine I loved. (A Laurent Tribut, FWIW.) The exercise was frustrating, and I'm frustrated about this frequently. And that's that for me, 'neutral' is actually a different way of saying I don't like it. You could call it 'Don't Like It Lite'. Whether I don't like a wine because it's just plain awful or something I recognize as 'okay just not my thing'--is actually immaterial. Far more useful to me in posting my own notes and reading notes from others would be two ways of saying I Like It, especially since I rarely award points. There's a vast difference between a wine that I find pretty acceptable and a wine I'd kill to have again. Anyone else feel this way?

KPB -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/10/2024 4:29:33 PM)
I agree… but sometimes I forget to click the “like” box!

CranBurgundy -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/10/2024 4:54:32 PM)
"I love it" would be nice to have.

DoubleD1969 -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/10/2024 5:18:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CranBurgundy "I love it" would be nice to have. ^ This and “Back up the truck!”

khmark7 -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/10/2024 6:21:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DoubleD1969 quote: ORIGINAL: CranBurgundy "I love it" would be nice to have. ^ This and “Back up the truck!” Doesn't suck as an option?

BobMilton -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/11/2024 9:10:35 AM)
To me, a wine is neutral if I will drink it (i.e. it isn't awful) but I don't like it enough to buy it.

xyc -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/11/2024 11:16:26 AM)
A different but similar issue. A wine may be correctly made and qualify as correct for its type. I may not like the grape, the style, the fresh young grapiness, something else. Why should I penalize the wine for my taste preferences? I don't like it but it will appeal to other tasters. I use neutral for lack of alternatives and note it is of its type.

Jenise -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/11/2024 3:20:35 PM)
Oops-

S1 -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/11/2024 5:13:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DoubleD1969 quote: ORIGINAL: CranBurgundy "I love it" would be nice to have. ^ This and “Back up the truck!” ^Buy the vineyard.[;)]

KPB -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/11/2024 5:45:26 PM)
I like the idea of an OMG option.

Paul852 -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/11/2024 8:02:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xyc A different but similar issue. A wine may be correctly made and qualify as correct for its type. I may not like the grape, the style, the fresh young grapiness, something else. Why should I penalize the wine for my taste preferences? I don't like it but it will appeal to other tasters. I use neutral for lack of alternatives and note it is of its type. I agree on this. I have certainly marked wines as high as 89 (top end of Very Good) that I didn't mark as "Like". (Perhaps higher but it doesn't seem possible to produce a list of my TNs based on NOT(Liked It))

Jenise -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/12/2024 10:00:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CranBurgundy "I love it" would be nice to have. Exactly. Or KBP's "OMG". I just posted about two beautifully made Washington syrahs. Liked both but one was definitely in the OMG territory.

DoubleD1969 -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/12/2024 1:11:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: S1 quote: ORIGINAL: DoubleD1969 quote: ORIGINAL: CranBurgundy "I love it" would be nice to have. ^ This and “Back up the truck!” ^Buy the vineyard.[;)] 😂

recotte -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/12/2024 4:06:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jenise quote: ORIGINAL: CranBurgundy "I love it" would be nice to have. Exactly. Or KBP's "OMG". I just posted about two beautifully made Washington syrahs. Liked both but one was definitely in the OMG territory. I agree. I don't assign numeric scores, so it would be nice to have an indicator for those truly exceptional experiences.

skifree -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/12/2024 7:43:51 PM)
I rarely hit the "like" button, it always feels like damning with faint praise. Also, it feels too general - I am drinking one bottle, not an entire vintage. There are no great wines, only great bottles..... Instead, I use the 100 point scale. "Very good" (85-89) is just that, "outstanding" (90-94) is just that, but 95 and above is, well, "delicious"! (Kudos to (the late) John and Dottie for that vernacular).

fanglangzhe -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/12/2024 7:51:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xyc A different but similar issue. A wine may be correctly made and qualify as correct for its type. I may not like the grape, the style, the fresh young grapiness, something else. Why should I penalize the wine for my taste preferences? I don't like it but it will appeal to other tasters. I use neutral for lack of alternatives and note it is of its type. I respectfully disagree. Ratings are subjective (IMO) and my scores/TNs/LIKE categorisation reflect my own personal preferences and nothing less/more. So I have no problem "penalizing" or "rewarding" a wine based on my own personal preferences. However, I know some forum members have found a few of my TNs to be useful. Which is also great.

xyc -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/13/2024 11:09:47 AM)
Is the wine well made for its type seems to me more informative. There are varietals I won't rate because I dislike them. If I don't disclose my prejudices I'm not providing a useful review. And, providing outlier reviews, compared to pros and the rest of the reviews, with no explanation, appears unnecessarily arbitrary.

Paul852 -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/13/2024 5:12:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xyc Is the wine well made for its type seems to me more informative. I always struggle with this concept and people's use of the word "correct" in TNs. I don't feel that it is axiomatic that there is a single "correct" result for a particular type of wine. For me a wine being different from the norm is more interesting than being some sort of perfect correctness. A case in point - I had a Chateau Margaux not so long ago which was really nice wine, and it was exactly what I had imagined "correct" Margaux to be. But my overall response was "meh" because there was nothing interesting or unexpected there.

fingers -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/13/2024 7:30:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: khmark7 quote: ORIGINAL: DoubleD1969 quote: ORIGINAL: CranBurgundy "I love it" would be nice to have. ^ This and “Back up the truck!” Doesn't suck as an option? Translating into a star rating system, we could go from the current 3 stars to 6 stars. That might be more acceptable / plausible

Ibetian -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/13/2024 8:13:43 PM)
Or we could just, you know, score it, which is basically an 85-100 scale system?

fanglangzhe -> RE: Don't Like, Neutral and Like--is that enough? (4/13/2024 10:14:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Paul852 quote: ORIGINAL: xyc Is the wine well made for its type seems to me more informative. I always struggle with this concept and people's use of the word "correct" in TNs. I don't feel that it is axiomatic that there is a single "correct" result for a particular type of wine. For me a wine being different from the norm is more interesting than being some sort of perfect correctness. A case in point - I had a Chateau Margaux not so long ago which was really nice wine, and it was exactly what I had imagined "correct" Margaux to be. But my overall response was "meh" because there was nothing interesting or unexpected there. I agree. This is related to the idea that wine ratings should be "objective" and personal preference should not be relevant at all - which I also totally disagree with. It just doesn't reflect how almost everybody rates wines. Including the professional wine critics.

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