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Coravin wine preservation system - 6/8/2013 8:32:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did anyone out there with an erobertparker subscription see the demo video of the new Coravin wine preservation system? This thing is pretty amazing. It was developed by a medical device inventor and uses a surgical needle to tap a bottle right through the capsule and cork allowing you to pour a glass of wine. While the wine is pouring, it is replaced by Argon gas allowing no oxygen to contact with the wine in the bottle. The surgical needle does not damage the cork and you can put the bottle back in the cellar. Parker and the inventor tasted several wines from bottles that were tapped multiple times over the last 5 years. Parker said that they were as fresh as if the cork was just pulled. This could really change the wine world, but I am most excited about what it could do to the wine by the glass programs in restaurants. I guess it will be released to the public later this summer and is about $200 and $10 for the replacement argon cans (estimate is about $0.50 per glass in argon). It was kind of funny watching Parker as he was actually shaking and stuttering with excitement. He was clear that he had no financial interest in this (probably in light of the Parker Signed 100 Point fiasco of this week). I signed up on the waiting list and hope that we can test it out at one of our Seattle Tasting Group sessions in the future.

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/8/2013 9:14:25 AM   
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For non-subscribers, a review of 5 different systems, including Coravin, was done here on Wired: http://www.wired.com/reviews/2013/06/wine-preserve/


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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/8/2013 9:16:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Haven't seen the video, but found a side by side review of this and 4 other devices, here....

http://www.wired.com/reviews/2013/06/wine-preserve/?pid=3375

I have seen other argon systems in use in tasting rooms, and wine bars.  Oregons Wines on Broadway has largest one I've ever seen, ~40 bottles can be open at a time.  Not sure if that is a single system or multiples.   I can definitely see where a restaurant, tasting room or wine bar could benefit from this.  Biggest downside I see for this one though is that it only does one bottle at a time (unless there is a manifolded commercial system I'm not seeing).

I don't see where I have any personal use for this or any other system, because my wines rarely see a second day, and when they do I'd rather see how they changed. 

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/8/2013 9:49:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I actually would like one for home use.... mainly for Sauternes and other dessert wines. I would really like to have a glass of d'Yquem one day with out waiting for that special occasion that justifies opening a bottle.

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/8/2013 9:54:25 AM   
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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/8/2013 9:59:14 AM   
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  Biggest downside I see for this one though is that it only does one bottle at a time (unless there is a manifolded commercial system I'm not seeing).



Actually it works on multiple bottles. The key is they have to have a natural cork closure (no synthetic or Stelvin). A needle passes through the cork into the wine and allows the wine to travel up the needle and slowly pour into the glass. Once the pour stops the Argon is injected into the remaining space. When the apparatus is removed from the cork, the cork presses in on the space where the needle was and seals it up tight.

With non-fortified wines, they seldom make it past day 2 at our house either. But I have not bought Port for years because so much goes to waste. And I love Port! This opens up a whole new way for me to blow money that I don't have!

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/8/2013 10:11:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stirling


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ORIGINAL: ChrisinSunnyside

Biggest downside I see for this one though is that it only does one bottle at a time (unless there is a manifolded commercial system I'm not seeing).



Actually it works on multiple bottles. The key is they have to have a natural cork closure (no synthetic or Stelvin). A needle passes through the cork into the wine and allows the wine to travel up the needle and slowly pour into the glass. Once the pour stops the Argon is injected into the remaining space. When the apparatus is removed from the cork, the cork presses in on the space where the needle was and seals it up tight.

How long does this procedure take?  In a restaurant or bar slinging drinks, I could see this taking (relatively) forever, particularly to go from bottle to bottle.

Again, I think the technology is a great idea, but if I were interested in using one commerically, I'd want it to be easy for the bartender to keep same or close to current speed of pouring.    I'd guess maybe the developer needs to sell a few to develope a larger scale multipour system.

And I do agree dessert or port wine use makes lots of sense!

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/8/2013 10:16:46 AM   
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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/8/2013 3:38:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChrisinSunnyside

Haven't seen the video, but found a side by side review of this and 4 other devices, here....

http://www.wired.com/reviews/2013/06/wine-preserve/?pid=3375

I have seen other argon systems in use in tasting rooms, and wine bars.  Oregons Wines on Broadway has largest one I've ever seen, ~40 bottles can be open at a time.  Not sure if that is a single system or multiples.   I can definitely see where a restaurant, tasting room or wine bar could benefit from this.  Biggest downside I see for this one though is that it only does one bottle at a time (unless there is a manifolded commercial system I'm not seeing).

I don't see where I have any personal use for this or any other system, because my wines rarely see a second day, and when they do I'd rather see how they changed. 

ETA;  Stirling types faster than me...


There once was a wine bar named "Clos" (In Columbus Circle Mall, NYC). It had about 70 or so Argon system, and you prepurchased a card, and each bottle had a different price. Dessert pours were 2 oz., all others were 4oz. They had over head projection onto white tables, where you could scroll through the list and Professional notes and such like a smart board. I went back a year later and it was gone, replaced by a failing Bakery. The system looked really nice, but even with a crowd, it really wasn't cost effective. I'm sure as a 4th floor mid mall wine bistro, they had a serious price in rental agreement. Things like this have been around for a while, but have been cost prohibitive to most folks. WE has had a 4 bottle system that has 2 temps, but again fairly pricey. It was a very cool wine bar. Such is the life of any bar/club.

Besides if I get a great glass, I would have just wasted a load of argon, as I would easily cruise through a single bottle.

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/9/2013 12:56:33 PM   
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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/10/2013 9:45:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		The suggestion that you can sample a wine over and over is not believable to me. Cork wears like any other wood, it may have more memory (like memory foam) than oak of course, but eventually the cork will not be able to magically seal itself. Also the canister lasts for 15 glasses.....to me this means that in 15 new bottles you can remove 150ml (a single glass pour) and enough Argon goes in to preserve the 600ml remaining (airspace), however if you use it to drink a half bottle ie 375 ml, you get 6 bottles per canister $1.67 per use. I guess that would be worth it over time to drink 1/2 bottles of decent stuff over $20, if the implication is that I could drink the other half in 5 years with no increase to the normal aging or degradation process....with a mag in a glass by glass commercial setting you would use up the majority of one canister.

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/13/2013 11:45:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a pretty cool system. Would love to try it sometime!

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/17/2013 6:09:31 PM   
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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/18/2013 5:30:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jasonrgreen

This could really change the wine world, but I am most excited about what it could do to the wine by the glass programs in restaurants.


Uber-high end NYC restaurant Del Posto (owned by Mario Batali, Lidia Bastianich and her son Joe) uses it, check the link out:

Del Posto Uses Coravin Wine Preservation System

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/18/2013 8:20:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder how they price or present 3/4 bottles of something if someone wants a bottle and they have just one croavin'ed bottle left. If the person doesn't know coravin, you have to do a sales job to sell that 3/4 bottle, or maybe they earmark the bottles as glass only.


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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/18/2013 12:05:42 PM   
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I wonder how they price or present 3/4 bottles of something if someone wants a bottle and they have just one croavin'ed bottle left. If the person doesn't know coravin, you have to do a sales job to sell that 3/4 bottle, or maybe they earmark the bottles as glass only.



They have a page in the beginning of the Wine List that is captioned "Alla Coravin" and they have selected offerings of 3 or 6 oz each. You can go to the Del Posto website and check it out. Del Posto Wine List

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 6/18/2013 6:08:07 PM   
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http://www.frequency.com/video/coravin-instructions-for-use/99162703/-/5-13189


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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/29/2013 3:57:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok released. now001 is the code that gets you 3 gratis Argon cartridges. Who is biting ?

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/29/2013 7:33:43 PM   
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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/29/2013 8:06:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will stick with the private preserve which is great stuff. I've been using it for years, though its more like $12.99 a bottle.

I know if I liked the first glass, I would open the bottle regardless.

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/29/2013 9:43:26 PM   
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Well, I tried to order one, but they won't let me register because I live in Canada. You'd think that in today's world, companies would be thinking a little more globally. Ugh!



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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/29/2013 10:28:41 PM   
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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/30/2013 12:54:10 AM   
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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/30/2013 6:31:48 AM   
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Here's a link to a demo video on the Coravin website.

http://player.vimeo.com/video/71197218?color=a40c34&autoplay=1

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/30/2013 7:06:43 AM   
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Ok released. now001 is the code that gets you 3 gratis Argon cartridges. Who is biting ?


I'll be pulling the trigger before the deadline. You shouldn't be giving away the code!!!!

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/30/2013 7:24:35 AM   
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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/30/2013 8:24:31 AM   
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Ordered one this morning!


Did you get the stand-alone since you get the 3 free canisters, or did you order the one that comes with 2 canisters? Not sure which one I should be getting (only $20 difference).

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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/30/2013 8:40:16 AM   
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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/30/2013 8:50:06 AM   
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RE: Coravin wine preservation system - 7/30/2013 10:35:49 AM   
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