2012 Pott Wine Cabernet Sauvignon Kaliholmanok Kicu'me

Cabernet Sauvignon

  • USA
  • California
  • Napa Valley
  • Spring Mountain District

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  • csimm1161 wrote: 92 points

    February 21, 2017 - PnP was extremely tight but still giving off some wonderful and brambly fruit flavors, purple and red berries, black cherry, limestone, and alcohol. A chalky (but not bitter) finish that made me smile, but also made me want to wait if I could. After a couple of small pours, I corked the bottle and put it back in the cellar for a slow O2 over the next 24 hours.

    DAY 2: This didn't develop as much as I was hoping. It displayed some nice licorice and cedar notes, but lost a little momentum and was fairly shut down. It wasn't tight at all, but came across lighter bodied than expected. I think the sweet spot is somewhere between PnP and the 24 hours I allowed it to endure. Lesson learned. The next bottle I'll wait a year on. I'd bet a simple decant of 3-4 hours would be enough to open this wine up without over exposing it to lengthy airtime.

    I'll wait until 2018+.

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  • Badmonkey commented:

    4/7/17, 2:43 PM - csimm, sorry to bother you but I'm curious if you have any information on the new/entry level Pott cabernet that they are releasing next week. I'm on their list because I've bought some vintages of the Arsenal Greer and Her Majesty's Secret Service in the past. I'm considering buying some but as always I hate to go in blind - although I would bet that it's got to be pretty good in light of the quality that they produce. Thanks.

  • csimm1161 commented:

    4/7/17, 4:19 PM - Hi there. Never a bother. I don't have a lot of info except that it is 100% Cabernet from "a couple of barrels that didn't quite fit the bill" for their other Pott namesake lineup. It is essentially Chester's Anvil rebranded and elevated. It's from Valley and Mountain fruit. The mailer (which you probably received) stated it's from "33 different soils." Just 220 cases. I went in for a half case, cuz at $60 a bottle I think it's worth checking out. Claire Pott says it is a crowd pleaser, fun, drink now type of Cab. Most of that info is from the mailer (sorry if it is redundant and you already knew all that stuff). That's about the extent of what I know about it. I'm curious to see how it compares to other $60 type Cabs.

  • Badmonkey commented:

    4/8/17, 3:57 AM - Thanks csimm. I'm not sure marketing it as "a couple barrels that didn't quite fit the bill" is the best route to take but it probably doesn't matter in light the producer and price point. I believe that $60 to $80 price range is a sweet spot for finding cabs that over achieve. Hopefully this is another one that does so. Thanks again.

  • csimm1161 commented:

    4/8/17, 8:21 AM - Ya I agree on the marketing. As you mentioned, I bought solely based on the winemaker and price point. I'm not drawn to every single wine Aaron makes necessarily, but most of what he makes I think is pretty tasty. I like Pott because he shows a little more restraint and focus with his wines (as opposed to other more flashy and overtly fruit driven wines - which I still obviously like if done right), without sacrificing concentration. I don't expect this $60 Pott wine to move me to tears of joy, but hopefully it drinks above its QPR and has some complexity given what it's advertised as. We shall soon see. I wouldn't really expect to see this on the secondary market, so I went for it. (Also, I'd be lying if I said I didn't like Aaron and Claire for the kind and generous people they are, but I try not to ever let that influence how I purchase wine - but it is always nice when the people are nice... I've left wineries just for lacking in that department, even with good wine). Anyway, sorry for the ramble. Take care!

  • Badmonkey commented:

    4/13/17, 6:04 AM - csimm, old world vs new world. I'm not going to argue anyone's particular tastes or preferences because we're all different, however, 91 points is silly. The bottle that I had was shared with two friends that are pretty big into wine and they thought it was the best bottle that they've had - although they've never had Carter and also prefer more of a new world profile.

  • csimm1161 commented:

    4/13/17, 6:55 AM - I couldn't agree with you more. As you said, everyone's tastes are different, so what do I know? But clearly I couldn't let it go, so I felt compelled to at least comment on it. I know that particular CT-er prefers "old world" wines (by his own admission in his profile - whatever that means exactly) and most scores given on wines he likes don't really go over 92/93 points in general. Anyway, to each his own I suppose. But when I first read that note, I definitely had that "Really?!" moment. But I have no doubt others here think my comments are just as skewed one way or the other. I gave it 99, so clearly I'm in a different camp than that particular rater.

  • Badmonkey commented:

    4/13/17, 7:22 AM - I hear you. I gave it a 97 with the expectation of improvement over the next year or two but it was still one of the better wines that I've had even at this stage - although I also prefer that style. I thought about inquiring about buying any other bottles that he has at cost but I did that once before and it didn't come across real well. Not worth getting into. Plus, once again, we all have different tastes/preferences. Take care.

  • csimm1161 commented:

    4/13/17, 8:26 AM - That's funny...I thought about telling him I'd take it off his hands too. Not worth the trouble in the end. I have enough to keep me occupied. Hopefully the 2015 Elysian will be good!

  • csimm1161 commented:

    4/13/17, 10:35 PM - Saw your comment on the other thread re: Duckhorn. Perfect!

  • Badmonkey commented:

    4/14/17, 4:14 AM - The Duckhorn was actually a decent cab and 91/92 is probably fair but I didn't think that it was close to the Elysian. Although, once again, we all have different tastes/preferences which I can't argue. Have a nice weekend.

  • csimm1161 commented:

    4/14/17, 7:54 AM - Agreed. Thanks as always for the dialogue and info. Have a good weekend as well.

  • tomoem commented:

    11/7/17, 7:04 PM - I am on the Pott list and I get their wines. I have had a number of the bottles and generally refrain from drinking because of the well crafted ageability of the wine. Your notes over a modestly long period of time seem to indicate a wine in decline.

    Tonight I opened one for the first time in a while albeit not this particular wine. I was, simply put...... blown away. Possibly because of all the inferior wine I have had for the past few months but perhaps also because this is a killer wine.

    Do you continue to feel that this wine is in decline ? Curious, as I read your earlier notes and most recent.

  • csimm1161 commented:

    11/8/17, 6:59 AM - Hi tomoem. I definitely do not feel as though Pott is on the decline. I am a fan and think some of his wines have been simply incredible. His 2013s are pretty awesome through and through (especially the Arsenal). I've even rated his wines 100 points before on CT. The pro scores have always been a little weak in my opinion… I'm not really sure as to why.

    That said, I think many of Aaron's wines succeed or not based more on a matter of timing. He builds them to have some ageability, and I have admittedly opened some too soon. In some cases, I've especially found the 2012 vintage to be a little linear at present. This '12 Kali needs some time, and I honestly don't think it will ever match it's younger 2013 brethren in terms of concentration and intensity. That's just my personal preference and opinion though.

    But overall, I believe his wines can be very sophisticated and a good balance between modern Napa Cabernet and classical restraint with a good capacity to age. In general, when I score any wine I try to do it based on that immediate experience. The narrative hopefully provides some guidance and information regarding why it ended up a certain score. I've had a couple of misses with his wines, but I am a consistent buyer of his wines and will continue to be. My cellar actually has a decent chunk full of purple-foiled Potts! :)

    ...In fact, looking back at my scores, most of his wines are in the mid to upper 90s for me, with the exception of a few low 90s. I definitely tend to favor his Cabernet Sauvignon wines over the others.

  • tomoem commented:

    11/20/17, 8:18 PM - You know ..... I tend to agree with your assessment on the Pott wines. I had to spend a few days thinking about how to respond. I tend to look at the comment CT with a skeptical eye. Your points are quite developed and more importantly ... I think ... Accurate. Bravo.

  • csimm1161 commented:

    11/22/17, 3:52 PM - Hi tomoem. Everyone's opinion has validity by my estimation (even if I totally find myself having a completely opposite experience). In my opinion there is no "right" or "wrong" answer necessarily when in comes to enjoying (or not enjoying) wine. All we can do is try to call it like we see it and the rest is pretty much an educated guessing game and one's own subjective experience with a particular wine. I try to be "accurate" as far as I'm concerned, but to someone else, they may think I'm crazy for liking or not liking a certain wine (and maybe they'd be right!).

    I like CT because it offers up others' different views of a wine in real-time. Of course, you gotta take some of it with a grain of salt because my experience may end up nothing like someone else's experience, if nothing else, simply because we all have different palates and preferences. Anyway, skepticism is good - after all, it is the internet - but it seems like wine is a fairly benign topic as far as that goes and most folks here tend to be just good natured people trying to get and give info on a very expensive hobby. Cheers!

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