2012 Clos des Papes Châteauneuf-du-Pape

Red Rhone Blend

  • France
  • Rhône
  • Southern Rhône
  • Châteauneuf-du-Pape

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Community Tasting Note

  • Slaz wrote: 91 points

    September 16, 2017 - Overly ripe and fruit-forward to my taste. Grenache is dominant, with notes of strawberries and red fruit, in this CDP. Well-made and in many ways elegant, especially after several hours of decanting, but this is admittedly poor value at nearly $100. Beaucastel CDPs offer so much more, in my opinion and tasting experience.

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  • Caymus Rocks commented:

    9/19/17, 9:20 AM - I think Clos des Papes need to have considerable age to show their best, IMO and drinking experience :)

  • Slaz commented:

    9/19/17, 10:43 AM - I am hopeful that's the case, jdponfil, as I have three more bottles. I am generally capable of seeing (or rather tasting?) bright future for young yet promising wines, but I am sure I get it wrong at times. In any case, thank you for your comment!

  • mats13 commented:

    9/22/17, 4:31 AM - Agree - why not wait until maturity: 2022+ at least.

  • Slaz commented:

    9/22/17, 11:18 AM - Waiting until maturity, even if it's well defined, is optimal for enjoyment but not for long-term planning and sampling of various styles.

  • Caymus Rocks commented:

    9/24/17, 4:15 PM - Not necessarily.....either buy an older (already mature) Clos des Papes, or plan on doing a comparison in the distant future....why drink a wine before it is ready, unless you want to document or remember its evolution. Personally, with prices these days (even though CDPs offer good values), I would prefer drinking them when I know I will enjoy them the most, or at the very least enjoy them, rather than drinking them while they are in a dumb phase. That is one area in which I rely on CT!

  • Slaz commented:

    9/24/17, 5:36 PM - @ jdponfil, thanks for your comment. I am a big fan of doing what makes most sense given an individual's circumstances and preferences. What fits you is not what fits me here, at least in terms of drinking philosophy. I like to taste my wines at different stages and, as I previously stated, I am generally good at detecting great potential. With CDPs, I have a long history of tastings, including many well-aged ones, prior to my CT notes; CDPs used to be my favorite wines but not any more for a number of years.

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