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2015 Château Giscours

Red Bordeaux Blend

  • France
  • Bordeaux
  • Médoc
  • Margaux

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  • sfbikeguy Does not like this wine: 90 points

    January 9, 2022 - Disappointing. It took the expected 2 hours to open up on Day 1. There is just not a lot going on here. On Day 2, it was almost flat. Focusing, I can get the profile of the wine, but this wine is just not worth the $60 I paid in June of 2016 and held in storage until today. If you balk at that statement, the same $60 invested in TSLA is worth $1,026 today (22x).

    It's experiences like these that cause me to question the buying and holding of moderately priced wines. It's a tough game and it does not help when my local wine shop is ringing the bell on the wine and today offers it for $90. Sometimes is all Marketing.

    I do have one bottle left. I've set a note to 'wait' a few more years to see if my comments are off.

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16 Comments

  • vinero commented:

    1/10/22, 10:02 AM - Bordeaux like Giscours you need to keep at least 10, but better 15 years…. Maybe wanna try some earlier accessible wines like a Brunello….

  • vinero commented:

    1/10/22, 10:04 AM - Or try a Pomerol. Normally also earlier accessible….

  • sfbikeguy commented:

    1/10/22, 10:14 AM - Thanks for your comment. I'm definitely new to French wines. I started purchasing with the 2015s. Mostly St.Emllion's. It would probably be worth it for me to purchase an older bourdeax on auction to determine if the 'end game' is right for me at the market price. I see lots of people have the 2015 Giscours. I'm in my early 50s, so the clock is ticking... :)

  • racerchris commented:

    1/10/22, 10:32 AM - I have 6 of these and won't open one for a couple more years anyway.
    A tasting note from Motz last year suggested an 8 hour decant is needed right now to wake it up.
    2 years ago I opened a great bottle of 1975 Ch. Giscours, so there's no hurry with this wine.

  • jjlgd commented:

    1/10/22, 12:29 PM - I agree, I am just starting to drink my 2009 Bordeauxs and still sitting on the 2010s (while I am happily drinking 2014 Napa cabs). This wine will likely be much better in >2024. But it will always be much more elegant than Napa cab (with your handle, I am guessing you are from San Fran and drink a lot of Napa). Margaux is known for being "femine" which can also seem "light" for those use to new world wines. I like Bdx with lighter dinners like roast chicken or roast beef, and not with anything off the grill, which is better suited to fuller, fruitier wines.

  • sfbikeguy commented:

    1/10/22, 12:42 PM - Good comment jj. I'll keep that in my perspective going forward. Definitely becoming more interested in elegant wines. I have essentially stopped buying Napas as I have enough for a few years and enjoy them more when they have evolved.

    Racerchris, thanks for your comment also.

  • WineGuyDelMar commented:

    1/11/22, 7:38 PM - Vinerois correct. Giscours needs 10+ years. I tried a 2005 recently and while still young had lots of nice flavor layers and terroir going on. Try again in 2027-2030 lol

  • sfbikeguy commented:

    1/11/22, 8:26 PM - OK. Set my note for the next bottle for 2030. Thanks. HNY.

  • Golf_Wine commented:

    1/13/22, 10:06 AM - Hey there. And you don’t feel that Tesla is hyped ? Where is the value in that company that warrants the 22x in a few years. It’s in the man running it. It’s not in the product. Tesla stock and wine you by for different reasons especially a lower end wine like this. If you bought a bottle on release of a 2018 DRC in may 2021 for $24k it would be at an auction today for up to $40k. Now compare that to Tesla. My prediction is that Tesla will not be continue it’s craziness but a DRC will always be what it is. There’s very little competition, there’s only one of this wine and a rare one at that. Tesla, I had two of them and I’m done. I switched car and I’m not going to Mars anytime soon...but God willing I will have some great wines in the future and who knows maybe a bottle of DRC.

  • jjlgd commented:

    3/2/22, 5:25 AM - Hi SF, I just tried my first bottle of this, and my reaction was similar to yours - where's the meat? After an hour, it was thin and acidic. As you mention at 2 hours it had opened more and was approachable, as a medium bodied focused wine. I wanted to try a 2015 BDX as it is considered more forward than say 2016, but this bottle has me thinking another 5 years for some tertiary complexity to appear.

  • KennyM57 commented:

    4/2/22, 4:27 PM - Curious as to the Tesla investment comment. Do you buy wine as an investment? Also, why 90 points for a wine you don't like?

  • sfbikeguy commented:

    4/2/22, 4:55 PM - Fair question. I buy wine to enjoy it in the future. However, where the wine has to be held for such a long time to enjoy it, or you have a lot wine and it essentially becomes an investment just based upon total value, then I think there's a discussion to be had on what is the right strategy. There's also other costs to be considered, such as storage and the risk of a corked bottle. Net net I can handle a bottle I've held for 5-10 years not being something in my preferred experience, but I'm super skeptical doing the same where the wine is closed and it's uncertain when it's going to be ready to show itself. For the 90 points, I don't have a good answer. It was a few months ago and I can't remember the experience. I guess I just cringe on giving anything starting with an 8.

  • WineGuyDelMar commented:

    4/2/22, 4:56 PM - No idea about the Tesla but there can be a well made Wine that scores low 90’s but you don’t like the style of the wine. A wine score should be made on the quality of the wine and not whether you like it or not.

  • WineGuyDelMar commented:

    4/2/22, 5:01 PM - sfbikeguy…15 Giscours will be a 91-93 point wine when it’s ready to drink starting in 2027. IMO

  • sfbikeguy commented:

    4/2/22, 5:30 PM - Thanks. Hope you're enjoying a nice wine this evening.

  • WineGuyDelMar commented:

    4/2/22, 6:00 PM - sfbikeguy had a 13 Henri di Villamont Chambolle MusignyLes Feusselottes with duck confit & duck fat roasted potatoes. Excellent.

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