Bordeaux: Second wines in great vintages.

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Tasted December 2, 2016 by Zweder with 703 views

Introduction

This was a very interesting exercise with more than twenty second wines of chateaux which scored 100 points with their first wine in that particular vintage. There were also five 100 points wines in the line-up. The tasting was single blind. We knew the wines, but not in which order the wines came. That was decided by the sommelier.

I had a tasting before, where we tasted the first and second wine beside each other and then it was quite simple; in all cases the first wine was the better one and also blind that was easy to determine.

At this tasting there were no wines of the same vintage and the same domain directly beside each other. So impossible to compare.
The outcome was that no-one recognized the 100 points first wines. (Except for the Pontet Canet 2009)
This is not really a surprise for me because all wines were beautiful and from different vintages in different maturity stages.

Flight 1 (30 notes)

Rosé - Sparkling
1988 Bollinger Champagne Brut Rosé France, Champagne
88 points
In the bouquet roses, small red berries and nutty flavors. On the palate apples, nuts, a bit reductive, fresh acidity and grapefruit bitterness. Still a good mousse. Special and beautiful mature bubble.
Red
2000 Réserve de la Comtesse France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
94 points
Beautiful and classical bouquet with dark fruits like cassis, lead pencil, cedar and beautiful oak. On the palate dark berries, smoke, luxurious oak, cedar, cassis, beautiful acidity and tannin with still a pleasant bite. Overall a beautiful and mature wine with still a future of 4+ years. 93 - 94
Red
1995 Pensées de Lafleur France, Bordeaux, Libournais, Pomerol
flawed
GRRRR! Another wine from the Lafleur domain which is corked. Overall I have had at least 8 bottles from this domain by now and more than half were corked!!!!
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Red
1982 Les Forts de Latour France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
96 points
Beautiful and classical bouquet with barnyard, mature cassis, caramel, cedar, earth, autumn etc. Same on the palate. Mature, rustic, earthy, cedar, tobacco, mushrooms, still juicy mature cassis and good acidity. Overall a truly great wine. At first I scored the wine 93/94, but after several hours of air time it had gained in subtlety and complexity, so in the end I score the wine 96. What a treat!
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Red
1988 Le Petit Cheval France, Bordeaux, Libournais, St. Émilion Grand Cru
93 points
Bouquet with creamy and ripe red berry fruits, some earth and rustic flavors. On the palate a mature wine with cassis and dark berries still, but also a horse stable, good oak and length. Tasted fully blind and in fact a great surprise this wine still offers so much pleasure.
Red
1996 Château Léoville Las Cases France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
95 points
Beautiful and classical bouquet with red an dark berry fruits, earth, autumn and rustic flavors. On the palate elegant dark and red berries, earth, autumns and mushrooms and firm acidity. The tannin still has a good bite, but overall the wine is quite mature.
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Red
1996 Carruades de Lafite France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
92 points
In the bouquet a lot of barnyard smells, cassis and autumn flavors. On the palate a firm amount of red fruit acidity, dark berries, bell pepper, tannin with still bite, good length and some luxurious elements. Pleasant, complex and mature wine.
Red
1998 Réserve de la Comtesse France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
93 points
In the bouquet a beautifully developed wine with autumn, mushrooms and earthy flavors. On the palate oak, earth, bell pepper, rustic impressions and good acidity. A mature, complex and still lovely wine. Ready now, but no extreme hurry.
Red
1996 Les Forts de Latour France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
96 points
Beautifully mature and still fresh bouquet with good dark fruits, lead pencil , smoke and luxurious oak. On the palate a wine with great extraction, dark berries like blackberries and cassis, good acidity, round but still powerful tannin and full bodied. Beautiful and with a future of 5+ years.
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Red
1990 Les Forts de Latour France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
95 points
Beautiful bouquet with earth. autumn forest, tobacco, dark berries and luxurious oak and cedar. On the palate the same impressions with great and beautiful acidity, some pleasant barnyard, silky tannin with a soft bite. Overall harmonious and a great length. Lovely and luxurious wine, ready now and the next few years.
Red
1990 La Dame de Montrose France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Estèphe
94 points
In the bouquet a beautiful wine with smoke, butterscotch, toast and beautiful dark berries. The bouquet is a feast and just sniffing is almost enough. On the palate red berry fruits, some green bell pepper, firm acidity and tannin. The bouquet is not in harmony with the taste at this moment. Possibly in some years. 93+?
White - Sparkling
N.V. Mailly Champagne Grand Cru Brut Réserve France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru
90 points
A lot of apples., citrus and minerals in the bouquet. Young and fresh, Minerals, a lot of good citrus acidity, minerals and some bitterness in the finish. 89 - 90
Red
1990 Château Montrose France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Estèphe
96 points
Beautiful and mature bouquet with red and dark forest fruits, beautiful oak, some earth and forest floor. On the palate luxurious oak, dark and red berries, good acidity and tannin with still some bite and even a bit green. This wine is not tired yet.
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Red
2000 Château Margaux France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux
97 points
I knew this wine would be in the single blind line-up (28 wines) and I was really looking forward to it. I did not recognize it. In the bouquet still youthful dark forest fruits and some hidden oak. On the palate concentrated dark forest fruits, still much too young. Is still developing for the better. Till so far my blind notes. Even though the wine is in a locked phase (Compared to when it was 7 or 8 years old, see my older notes.), you can taste this is something special and very luxurious, but needs more time to fully show itself. Try again around 2026 is what I suggest now. Great wine, now as well; For this moment I scored the wine 96 – 97.
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Red
2005 La Petite Eglise France, Bordeaux, Libournais, Pomerol
96 points
In the primary and youthful bouquet cherries, yoghurt and beautiful oaky flavors. On the palate creamy red and dark berry fruits, a lot of vanilla, oak and cedar. Firm acidity, some sweetness and bitterness. Still too young, but a wine with great potential. This wine was from magnum and based upon this glass I would say; wait until 2025+. 95 – 96+ (While posting this note I see I differ quite much from the community, so I hope to taste this wine again around 2025 to see if I was completely wrong ;-))
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Red
2000 Carruades de Lafite France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
94 points
Beautiful, youthful bouquet with raspberries and cherries as well as luxurious oak and vanilla. On the palate red and dark berries, oak, cedar, some lead pencil, a touch of sweetness, good acidity, slightly sticky tannin which still has a green note. Beautiful wine and still a bit too young, Around 2020+ For tonight 93 – 94.
Red
2000 Pavillon Rouge du Château Margaux France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux
93 points
In the bouquet youthful dark and red forest fruits and yoghurt. On the palate a luxurious wine with beautiful oak, a good concentration, good acidity and tannin and a good length. Full bodied, still youthful luxurious wine. Waiting until 2022 might be rewarding. For now 93+
Red
2000 Les Forts de Latour France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
96 points
Beautiful bouquet with smoke cedar and graphite. On the palate a lot of beautifully toasted oak supported by beautiful and ripe dark forest fruits. A really beautiful wine with still enough future for 5+ years. I really like the wine in this stage of its development. 95 – 96
Red
2005 Chevalier de Lascombes France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux
91 points
In the bouquet dark forest fruits and good oak. On the palate red and dar berries, firm acidity, round and still youthful tannin. Overall a good wine with a pleasant balance between acidity and sweetness.
Red
2005 Le Petit Mouton de Mouton Rothschild France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
94 points
Luxurious bouquet with smoke and beautiful oak and cedar. On the palate good red and dark forest fruits, graphite, firm acidity and tannin. This wine will improve with 5 – 8+ years of ageing. 93 – 94+
Red
2005 Château Troplong Mondot France, Bordeaux, Libournais, St. Émilion Grand Cru
97 points
Luxurious bouquet with dark forest fruits, smoke and licorice. On the palate very luxurious with good fruits, oaky flavors, chocolate, mocha, sweet licorice, cedar etc. Very tempting and luxurious now already and there is plenty of future in this wine. Hope to taste again around 2025. 96 – 97
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Red
2005 Pavillon Rouge du Château Margaux France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux
94 points
Very luxurious bouquet with beautiful oak and cedar and dark forest fruits. On the palate still a very youthful wine with good dark berries, luxurious oak, firm acidity and round tannin. Still extremely youthful and with a lot of potential. Start around 2024. For this evening 93 – 95+
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Red
2008 Le Clarence de Haut-Brion France, Bordeaux, Graves, Pessac-Léognan
92 points
Red and dark forest fruits in the bouquet. On the palate dark berries, graphite, good oak and acidity. Round, full bodied, some graphite. Complex wine but much too young. Around 2022? 92+
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Red
2010 Le Clarence de Haut-Brion France, Bordeaux, Graves, Pessac-Léognan
flawed
Corked
Red
2009 Les Pagodes de Cos France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Estèphe
94 points
In the bouquet a full bodied wine with lush dark berry fruits and luxurious oak. On the palate the same impressions; full bodied, luxurious and delicious. Already a feast but a great promise for the future.
Red
2009 Pensées de Lafleur France, Bordeaux, Libournais, Pomerol
93 points
In the bouquet a full bodied wine with dark chocolate. On the palate dark and concentrated juice with a lot of power, graphite and luxurious elements like beautiful oak. Great wine with a good future.
Red
2010 Croix de Beaucaillou France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
94 points
In the bouquet beautiful dark berry fruits like blackberries and cassis. On the palate good acidity, dark chocolate, dark berries, chocolate and some good oak and acidity. Beautiful and youthful wine. 93 - 94
Red
2009 Chapelle d'Ausone France, Bordeaux, Libournais, St. Émilion Grand Cru
94 points
In the bouquet beautiful black forest fruits, smoke and luxurious oak. On the palate dark berries and cherries, luxurious oak and cedar, good acidity and tannin. A beautiful and youthful wine. Can easily last another 10+ years.
Red
2009 Croix de Beaucaillou France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
96 points
In the bouquet red and black berries, luxurious oak and some bell pepper. On the palate good herbs and spiciness beside the dark and red forest fruits. Luxurious oak, good acidity, tannin and bitterness and an enormous length. Beautiful wine and a great promise for the future. Hope to taste again around 2030. 95 - 96
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Red
2009 Château Pontet-Canet France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
98 points
This is my 20,000th Tasting Note in Cellartracker and that should be a special wine. A few weeks ago I tasted this wine (with 100 Parker points) again, and it is really great! I have a few and many users of Cellartracker have it as well, so that is why I saved this tasting note to be my 20,000th. In the bouquet beautiful cassis, cedar, smoke and luxurious oak. On the palate enormously concentrated black berry fruits with a beautiful harmony between acidity and sweetness. Soft but powerful tannin. This is a true beauty and will probably last for at least another 30+ years. 98+
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Closing

It was a great tasting in great company. And thank you John for the initiative!

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