1/25/23, 11:53 PM - I’m pretty sure the St. Martin wines were always made by Martin Bart-just labeled them differently.
12/25/22, 7:47 PM - Great notes on this. Maybe even the last 75 years. A unique experience because it seems lije the Cab Franc achieved full ripeness in ‘90.
12/27/22, 8:29 AM - You’re welcome.To me, ‘61 has always been extremely overrated and the last one was the Haut Brion at the Acker BYOB about 7-8 years ago. I was non-plussed as usual with the vintage. They are the antithesis of the Cheval Blanc-too lean. I hardly drink Bordeaux any more and certainly not at these levels. My top picks all time: ‘59 Latour (better than the ‘61) ‘66 La Mission HB, ‘90 Cheval Blanc, ‘82 Margaux, ‘86 Lafite, a while ago the ‘76 Lafite (in a terrible vintage!) ringer ’76 BV George de la Tour. The Cheval Blanc is more rich than all these others. I wish I could afford it although in relation to today’s truly nutty prices it’s a steal. Of course there are a whole lot of CT folks who have tasted way more than me.
10/26/22, 5:53 PM - We should have listened to you. We drank this tonight and while we generally enjoyed it, it really needs another decade at least. I’ve had a few problems with other ‘05s, and this may have been the most backward. A bottle of Bouchard’s Volnay Ancienne Carnot a few years ago was singing and seemed completely mature. So I’m guessing this is the vineyard rather than the vintage, although I know how slow ‘05s are to come around.
9/27/22, 9:37 AM - I have not had this wine, but your description fits my experience with other 2012s. I think it’s a problematic unbalanced vintage for many RBs. Thoughts?
9/17/22, 11:14 PM - Interesting note. Gilman gave the ‘14 a 94. At the time I was a subscriber of his, although no more. I bought three bottles on the recommendation, drank two and sold the third. My reaction was identical to yours. The weirdest thing was that Gilman said the fruitiness would recede and more linear minerality would emerge. My experience over 35 plus years with white burgundy was just the opposite. In any case, it’s now the exception rather than the rule, that I find white burgs that have a classic profile.
9/17/22, 11:39 AM - Quite frankly, I don’t know if you have a great palate or not, but you seem to. Your notes sre wonderfully precise and very sophisticated. I just wish you would write more of them.
7/20/22, 10:21 PM - How was the food? We ate there many years ago: it was spectacular and relatively affordable.
5/22/22, 10:18 AM - Have you had a .75 recently? For many years it was probably the single greatest value in great aged red wines. I absolutely agree with your note but I felt the wine was going over the hill the last few times I had it.
5/9/22, 10:14 PM - I tried this wine at City Winery at a Zachy’s 2005 Barolo tasting. It clearly was the best wine of the event but was $400 bottle or so. That was five years ago so it’s shocking but not surprising that it’s $900 now. I just sold a few bottles of various wines that have gone into the stratosphere. Maybe we have all been spoiled. Today there are a lot of very very wealthy people and many of them are into wine that weren’t five to ten years ago.
5/1/22, 10:55 PM - Again. Despite AM’s reticence, I’ve always had good luck with ‘11 WBs, which are lighter and more elegant than many other more highly rated vintages, and no PREMOX. I find a bitterness, too much ripeness and an imbalance in too many WBs. Is it heresy to say that Meadows maybe doesn’t know what he’s talking about?
5/1/22, 10:30 PM - You continue to use the phrase “sweetness of fruit” or the absence thereof, which is an interesting comment. I find that an issue with a lot of wines that are impressive rather than delicious. I keep wondering if it’s me-my age-or modern winemaking. It’s pretty disturbing especially at the price point of so many “fine wines” today.
3/17/22, 12:10 AM - I’m curious about the ‘89 and the ‘90. Frankly I don’t drink a lot of Bordeaux anymore and having had either of these in years. But when I did I was disappointed. I have great experiences with only two wines from ‘90: Cheval Blanc (of course) and La Grange). Other 90’s and ‘89s were good but not great. The wines or the vintage?
1/30/22, 2:57 PM - Just want to reiterate my previous comments and we may have to go for a DNA test. I was just talking to my closest friend who is also into wine big time: he got a kick out of your notes and-well-it’s scary. 2011-great for WB-not everyone agrees. 2016 better than 2015 for RBs. Right-and not everyone agrees. Jean-Marc Pillot great producer-not everyone agrees-and still reasonable, etc. Here is his question: why do we keep buying them when we don’t like most of what we drink? (He’s asked me that a lot!)
1/29/22, 11:15 PM - My friend tells me I’m a curmudgeon but after reading many of your notes, which I’m enjoying immensely, I think I’ve met my match! This wine sounds great-but it’s over $350 a bottle!I’ve been drinking fine wine for about 40 years and I’ve come to a number of conclusions: prices are obviously insane but either I’ve lost my palate (which is possible due to age) or wines in general just aren’t as good as they used to be. To me, stylistically, especially White Burgundy, but often RB as well, they don’t have the elegance or complexity I was used to. Of course the omnipresent POX is an ongoing problem as well. I have become more and more disconcerted by the idea that wine prices, wine scores and hype just seem to be in a continuous upswing and the wines themselves seem to be going in the opposite direction. Or is it me?
11/13/21, 10:37 PM - That seems to be true of a lot of 2018 RBs. So far, to me very un-Burgundy like. If it’s the case with a spectacular vineyard/producer such as this I have to wonder about the vintage. What do you think?
11/1/21, 9:54 PM - I didn’t like this at all upon first opening but after about two hours in a Universal and at room temperature I thought it was excellent. Of course it’s much more subtle than most Rieslings but also more complex. The MFW 98 is way over the top but this is still a very good wine-say 94+.
8/24/21, 2:10 PM - I wouldn’t rate it quite this highly but it was very very nice. Drank it at Ai Fiori several years ago along with a 2012 Flowers Camp Meeting Ridge Chardonnay. Both tasting glasses. Very similar in fact after an hour or so warmed up.
8/18/21, 10:28 PM - A close friend of mine is a collector of these and brought one to the Acker BYOB 2 years ago and I felt the same way. HOWEVER, I had bought some in the mid ‘90s, maybe the ‘96 vintage and it was very impressive, sort of Lafite like but with more Cal fruit. I think they’ve changed their style, which is a shame.
8/18/21, 10:06 PM - The ‘76 Lafite was an incredibly delicious wine until the late ‘90s. But generally speaking the vintage sucked.
8/13/21, 10:52 AM - I have only had a few ‘18 RBs. To me they all have had this quality: Rhône-like fruit. Have you had other ‘18s as well?
7/26/21, 9:57 PM - One of the greatest Bordeaux ever, if a bit untypical (the Cabernet Franc). BTW, great quotes from Montesquieu. Sadly I believe he was correct that Republics, in order to last, can only work in smaller homogeneous societies. But Virtue-as per Machiavelli’s Discorsi-is always the key.
7/26/21, 9:49 PM - Interesting comment. I have a few bottles of 2000 Trotanoy, which I’m hoping will be great. But I met Anthony Barton at a Union des Grand Cru event many years ago who thought it WAS an overrated vintage including his own Leoville Barton!
3/5/21, 1:03 AM - Why not decant it longer? I should have. I have 2 bottles left and they have almost all disappeared from the US. I want to treat these-assuming the bottles are pristine-as carefully as possible.
12/26/20, 10:57 AM - 10 years minimum. Did you really like it or just gave it the score based on rep? See my note and I’m being generous! I have had done similar experiences with others Faiveleys from 2005 and earlier. Drying tannins-yuck!
12/25/20, 2:53 PM - Just took a Coravined glass. JG is either on the take or just a lousy critic. There is no F—ing way that this resembles a top flight white burgundy let alone a 95 point score. I think I have to completely disregard him but I’m not sure AM is any better. Despite his reputation for red wine analysis. IMHO, Parker’s Real forte was whites. This wine would lose badly against many mid priced Cali Chards.
10/30/20, 9:54 PM - We had this at lunch at Levernois in 2011 but found it very dull and disappointing with little Chablis character. I attribute that to the vintage but perhaps it was too young based on your judgement.Loved your note: for us heaven on earth-lunch at Taillevent, dinner at Grand Vefour. Hope we all get to do that again.
10/9/20, 6:42 PM - It seems odd that given the threat of Premox it takes longer than ever for a lot GC whites to come around. I have a bottle of this but I guess I’ll wait.
9/25/20, 8:58 AM - Have you had this again? This seems very reasonably priced, an obvious oxymoron today for grand cru red burgundy. What you described is the way 2011’s tasted a few years ago, but how about today?
9/5/20, 11:10 PM - Many of us wonder if ‘96s will ever come around, but maybe it’s the producer. We had a ‘96 Jadot Volnay Clos de la Barre at the Acker BYOB last December. It drank beautifully, with great typicite. I seem to remember drinking another ‘96 Jadot Beaune 1er cru many years ago that while immature still was a nice wine. I also drank a ‘96 Armand Pommard Clos des Epeneaux that was again immature but still very well made. I haven’t had too many other ‘96s, but think selectively they might still be interesting. Chevillon, like Gouge in the old style, was notorious for making tough wines that lack elegance.
9/1/20, 10:46 PM - A friend of mine tasted the ‘59 a few years ago and said it was fabulous. I think the bottle was sourced directly from Jadot care of Jacques Lardiere. Of course it was a ‘59!!!
8/27/20, 6:29 PM - Lightweight because of the winemaker or the terroir? I have had the same experience.
8/26/20, 11:22 PM - I have one more also but don’t think these are true GC weight and density. They are pretty and elegant though and reasonably priced if you can find them.
8/10/20, 7:18 PM - I got what I thought was a super deal on .375s on these but I feel as you do. Maybe should have waited but this is very underwhelming at least at this time. It received some big scores from some knowledgeable CT people but can’t understand why.
8/3/20, 9:20 PM - Very interesting but disturbing. Is this the vintage, the house style, Corton or just the way wines are now being made today? I have several bottles of this wine and was thinking about trying one but now I think not. I know you are one of THE mavens, so I rely on your judgement. One of the first great RBs I recall drinking was a ‘78 Faiveley Echezeaux-drunk in 1985. Aromatic, complex but light in color. And I know that ‘78s have generally proven to be long lived. Then ‘85s which were even more delicious 7-10 years on, but I know haven’t been long lasting. I realize that ‘90 has been a disappointment but what about ‘99? I remain perplexed since RBs aren’t 1st or 2nd growth Bdx from a tannic vintage. Given the gaudy reviews from AM and others and the fact that there are many more top producers and many hitherto “lesser” appellations producing very good wine, it still seems odd that one should have to often wait 20-25 years or more for the drinking window to open for top wines. The classic books (albeit written in the early 20th or even 19th Century) often speak of Grand Crus drinking within 12 years of the vintage. Is that no longer true?
8/3/20, 10:22 PM - Fair enough. Thanks I appreciate your insight.
8/3/20, 9:24 AM - I was very impressed with ‘16 RBs initially but they seem to have become a bit one-dimensional as you say. I admit I have been a little disappointed, but should we rush to judgement? Which RB vintages of the past 15 are you favorites?
3/31/20, 8:44 PM - I never had this wine but ‘92 was for me one of the best and most delicious WB vintages ever. Interestingly I don’t think AM thought so. Only the ‘89 Jadot Demoiselles was better than the ‘92s I’ve had.
2/29/20, 8:39 PM - I used to drink this a lot from .75s. But that was 30 years ago! I can’t believe it’s still good-especially from a .375!
1/7/20, 9:11 PM - Thought the same with the Barraud St Veran Pommards and the Chagnoleau Prelude and Pouilly Pastoral. I still enjoyed them but not as much as in 2015-2016.
12/13/19, 6:54 PM - Keith: At the Acker BYOB we had a ‘96 Jadot Volnay Clos de la Barre. Very impressive and should last for many years. Interesting as the vintage was hyped then forgotten.
11/29/19, 10:29 AM - Interesting note. I think Montagny really excelled this vintage as did much of white Burgundy. The Latour Grand Roche is great QPR. Also the Olivier Leflaive les Setilles Bourgogne (supposedly made with declassified 1er cru grapes is the best of three vintages for that wine also.
11/28/19, 11:33 AM - You’ve had better luck than me. But I just opened a bottle and it’s pristine. Not a great wine, a bit one-dimensional, but very pretty and drinkable.
9/7/19, 6:49 PM - Just opened a bottle. You're being generous. Swill, alcoholic RP crap. Who could possibly like this stuff?
7/9/19, 9:04 PM - Interesting comments. I have been increasingly disappointed in white burgundies. The issue for me isn't PREMOX but the style, which seems tilted to orchard and/or tropical fruit. Perhaps also too much oak, but I am disturbed by the lack of minerality and requisite acidity. Why did this start? Some claim climate change and lack of phenolic ripeness or is it producers looking to please critics early on and appealing to the modern palate? Is this somehow connected to the PREMOX problem?
4/29/19, 8:20 PM - How was the Restaurant? My wife and I stayed and ate at the Bareiss in 2006. Absolutely fabulous. Interestingly we drank a glass of the same wine '04 Vintage. Excellent.
4/7/19, 10:58 AM - Keith: How are you? I know you are drinking a lot more great wines than I am at this point; I am wondering about your opinion of WB in general. Apart from the POX, I have found them to be more and more tropical/orchard fruity in nature, rather than chiseled and mineral. I started drinking top wines in the early '80s and the greatest wines to me were top WBs-even more than Red Bordeaux (I have gone to Red Burgs). But WBs are driving me crazy. It may be "climate change" or the desire of the producers to please the critics early on-Mark O'Connell thinks it's partly that and a change in phenolic ripeness, which is changing the flavor profiles. It is interesting as well to read Don Cornwell's notes, as the Oxidized Burg tastings reveal that the wines of the last 10 vintages are simply not maturing as some critics expected. Do the critics know what they're doing?Any thoughts on any of this?Steve Essrig
2/1/19, 8:56 PM - I agree but where? Chablis? California?
2/2/19, 4:22 AM - Yes, thanks very much. My issue has also been about the stylistic nature of WB (including the Macon) as well as the price. I have been drinking fine WB since the early 1980s, so my range of experience includes vintages from the 1970s and on. I have had some great wines from Rully and Macon as well as from the CdB proper but they all seem to me lately to exhibit too much orchard and tropical fruit and not enough of the minerality and acidity I used to take for granted. So along with the price factor and dreaded PREMOX I simply don't find WB to be stylistically the same as it was. There may be many reasons for this and it could be my own palate has changed. My wife and I have gravitated to Riesling since the early 2000s but at that time we still enjoyed WBs (the great '97 from Thevenet) as well as many, many '92s and '95 and '96s that didn't show signs of advancement from all the best CdB areas. Those were great wines.I did enjoy wines from the Macon from 2014 including from Lafon, Barraud and Chagnoleau. Just not to that same degree. Any thoughts?
11/22/18, 11:11 AM - Yes-somehow better, sturdier than a year ago. Not great but pleasant and interesting if not complex.
10/25/18, 5:20 PM - It is ridiculous. I have two left. Still young because of the sulphur? Or just too young-at 9? Since when (other than sulphur) did WBs need so much time to drink well? I'm finding the same thing, which given recent vintages more fruit forward character and the PM problem makes it almost impossible to figure out when to drink them. Any thoughts?
10/17/18, 8:00 PM - I tasted either this or the '07 at a WS Wine Experience and felt exactly the same way. However there were other big, "important" wines that evening that also didn't show very well. Perhaps it's the venue, but as you say, these big cult wines do nothing for me either.
9/29/18, 8:45 PM - So generally speaking, (not just this wine) do you feel '10 is better than '05? I'm curious what people think at this point. I have fewer '05s and they are way more expensive to buy at this point.
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