3/14/24, 3:18 AM - I am puzzled by a 92 rating and a conclusion that you do not like the wine, with no commentary. It’s 6 years so the details probably are beyond recall, but any help here would be appreciated. I find CT members my best source of wine commentary, and when things are puzzling, find it best to ask why.
10/27/23, 2:41 PM - What is ready or not is an individual decision. I do agree it has a great future, but along with the others who enjoyed it now, I do not think we killed the wine. No one forces anyone to open a bottle, a Coravin is a good way to sample a wine if there is a fear that it isn’t ready yet, and attributing responsibility to those of us who offered our opinions in a negative way to me isn’t a friendly thing to do.
10/27/23, 2:42 PM - What is ready or not is an individual decision. I do agree it has a great future, but along with the others who enjoyed it now, I do not think we killed the wine. No one forces anyone to open a bottle, a Coravin is a good way to sample a wine if there is a fear that it isn’t ready yet, and attributing responsibility to those of us who offered our opinions in a negative way to me isn’t a friendly thing to do.
7/10/23, 10:41 AM - I have been enjoying Lopez de Heredia for a long time, particularly liked the 1947 as the only birth year wine I could obtain that I could afford and that drank to perfection. How do they do that? This wine is always a value, almost never a disappointment. As with every wine, there is variation from year to year, which we love. Their love of the process is evident and this is always a crowd pleaser. And when I am out to dinner at those restaurants that wont allow a corkage, and where most things are marked up 300 to 500%, I look for the Riojas, and almost always, folks will say, what is this, this is really good. This whole track has been one of the more dramatic for CT, for what this worth. For me, I agree with those who loved this wine, and I just brought home a six pack of magnums of the 2010 to use at a meeting I run this coming fall.
11/11/21, 2:17 PM - You shouldn’t be disappointed if you drink now. I actually only drank half, used Coravin I’ll finish over next week or two. I PNP, my companion didn’t finish so I got to drink hers after three hours, even better. As for waiting ten, I hope to be around to read what you think then!
10/7/21, 4:25 PM - So a bit more detail is needed to answer the question about pop and pour. Our dinner was at Quality Meat in Manhattan, the food we chose excellent. Because I am drinking the good stuff, the first wine we shared with cousins was a 2000 Cheval Blanc, mind blowingly good. That was decanted. Drinking through that, we then opened the Togni, and decanted that as well, but there was little delay to getting to drink. I have one more bottle, I will wait three or so years to see what happens. Yes, I would decant this and let it breathe for a bit if the opportunity allows.
1/15/19, 10:38 AM - If it wasn’t best, what was better?
10/20/18, 8:26 AM - Fine Cuban wrapper ...both here and elsewhere?
2/8/17, 5:31 AM - I very much appreciate your comments over time- its our good luck as CT members to benefit from owners of cases or multiple bottles and hear a longitudinal assessment from the same person. Thanks!
1/28/17, 1:18 PM - I am trying to reconcile disappointment with a 92- help us out thanks
12/6/16, 8:50 AM - I think the wine was very extracted, which chemically means increased histamines and other headache provoking chemicals present above a tolerable threshold. Some people prep for this possibility by taking an antihistamine before consuming some wines. However the old world extracts optimally, histamines don't seem to be a significant enough by product.
11/20/16, 7:47 AM - Post liquors in Syosset Long Island has for $26 a bottle!
11/17/16, 6:23 PM - Got some from Wine Watch in Ft Lauderdale.
9/6/16, 7:47 AM - yes- highest to lowest- sorry for not being that clear- going to have an 05 Carter, Pahlmeyer, shortly as well. Thinking about Togni, but probably too young.
8/20/16, 8:41 PM - Thanks for jogging me. The piece de resistance in this year lived up to its press- this takes Pahlmeyer to a second level in terms of complexity. It was still in its youth, predominantly- dark purple, little bricking if any. A major mouthful, but not a fruit bomb. Can that be? Reminded me some what of Bond Vecina or Melbury
8/23/16, 6:01 PM - Not that many bottles of the Pahlmeyer Piece D. Hope you like it. Interested to hear your take
8/4/16, 6:12 AM - To Diane, I agree, here on Long Island we should have better. My wife and I, and friends, find ourselves returning to the same list of 7 or 8. Wine unfriendly places are skipped - so nix Il Mulino on LI. My experience is the wine friendly places will try and succeed better. Well marketed restaurants founded by famous chefs or cloned from nearby Manhattan with ridiculous corkage- we may try once, inevitably emerge disappointed , and so the short list stays short. When a restaurant fights back and has an absurd wine list like my recent complaint, they won't need to worry about my friends or me. We bring many friends to our favorite restaurants who become new clients, and the monoliths who won't let us match our beloved cellar with their food won't see that domino effect. Short sighted.
7/23/16, 5:26 PM - If you have a second, wait another 3 years or more. It's better than your experience, but by no means sufficiently expressive yet.
7/20/16, 4:24 AM - I hope you have another bottle. Much better now, and the best is ahead.
7/11/16, 5:09 PM - We agree except about the future and my comments are based on what I have seen with the 1982, which currently is amazing. So if you have a few, save one. I am.
5/17/16, 5:38 AM - Having drunk mine five years later, and knowing how rare these are, I hope you get to try this again. Wait longer next time
3/28/16, 7:32 AM - I'm struggling to reconcile a 90 point score with a suggestion to pass on the wine. Please help me out here as I'm always on a burg mission
3/12/16, 9:04 AM - I'd go back and try again before 3-6 years if you have a few. I think it's evolved nicely based on your description. It's still young, and I won't drink my second for some time. But it's a beaut right now.
3/10/16, 3:39 PM - I was asked what we think the best LI Italian restaurant is, and it's Picola Liguria in Port Washington. Also the most authentic in old world style.
2/4/16, 4:53 AM - We agree on the spectacular bond, and as someone who thinks about scores from time to time, I find your approach interesting. My impression is the pro's scores have skewed over time, and I find far too many 95 point wine scores or better even on CT. I will mull over the count backward approach. I more or less feel like a 95 or 96 is an amazing wine, and I leave a little margin for the few wines in a lifetime which transport, like a La Tache. Much as I love the Bond, there are some wines that are expressive in a way that go beyond.
1/3/16, 7:31 PM - Thanks to RobertGoulet for correcting a careless comment. Leoville is a St Julien
12/2/15, 9:18 AM - Clearly different tastes out there, we agree. Have become more and more partisan to old world, but have plenty of cabs that we like, like a lot, but this one is just not our style at all. Will wait a year, try once more, but based on what this one showed, less than optimistic. Can't get lucky with every new wine, so will be accepting.
10/30/15, 3:22 PM - This is from capacious and trying to get in touch re Florida - this is not about your comment here. Not adept at sending messages to CT users and this is only way I could figure. I couldn't find your email as you advised. Perhaps try to email me at mcapacious@aol.com thanks Sorry if any confusion
9/3/15, 4:47 AM - I agree. If I had read your review before we drank, I might have written a review that simply said "ditto"
8/23/15, 6:26 AM - Slightly puzzled, since the response also said you did not like this, so I'm guessing that was a miss-click
8/14/15, 4:49 AM - I think it's evolved some since your comment - that said, I agree with your impression and references. For Napa cab lovers like other on the CT site I can see them liking more. Somewhere lost in there may be a better wine.
7/22/15, 4:33 AM - I agree with your comments. I finished this worried because I'm a cellar master customer of Montelena,and it's usually a wine for which long term expectations are reasonable. If this represents the wines to follow, I've got a lot of gifting to do
7/18/15, 7:44 AM - I'm a bit envious- you had three left this late on? I didn't have that restraint
7/15/15, 6:52 AM - Its good for sure to have a lot of 90 point or so wines from Napa- the point I was trying to make is that too many taste like too many others, and it should matter if I buy Newton or Neal or Craig Affinity- they should be different enough - if I buy 5 barbarescos, they differ- even five from Produttori. And so on. All of Napa is not the same terroire, and so more heterogeneity would make Napa even more fun
7/9/15, 5:24 PM - This is my favorite nitpick. I don't see how a good wine but not much more warrants a 90.
7/3/15, 6:15 PM - In answer to buzzzzOff yes, this should go for a while. I'd think this will get even better and expect it's got a decade at least. I worried this would be off the mark like some other 2003 but I think this is a very very good Pichon. It's by no means near its peak
6/26/15, 8:29 AM - I agree. And because the raters know this I think they can't exclude that awareness from their thinking
6/26/15, 8:30 AM - And that's the great thing about CT. I trust this group more than the pros.
5/13/15, 9:18 PM - Thank you for your impression. Found myself confronted with an overpriced LA wine list, and found this at a tolerable price. Your review and several others helped me choose, and in 2015 it's beautiful. I hope you have more.
4/19/15, 6:11 AM - Are you by any chance Bill Kelley the rheumatologist?
12/28/14, 4:57 AM - Interesting coincidences- you are in Wellington, NZ, we are in Wellington, Palm Beach county, Florida- Pichon Lalande has also been amongst the favorite wines for my wife and I for 30 years. Just got a bottle of the 78 from a friend, enjoyed your post.
12/26/14, 5:06 AM - Rollerball has correctly noted that my review and score were inconsistent. I guess we scored the winery and not the bottle. It would have been better to say flawed bottle. I didn't reduce cognitive dissonance. I will try harder next year. My one and only New Years resolution.
11/20/14, 3:36 PM - like the review and your name- golf and wine, when golf game sucks, wine is there to make life good.
11/20/14, 3:31 PM - worrisome, but I only just bought one. I have visited Vietti and they are a wonderful family and very hospitable. One wonder- from what you wrote, I would have figured an 82, not a 90- to me, 90 is a very good wine?
7/30/14, 5:01 AM - I find the review helpful as this has been my impression on many of the very hyped 2008 from Oregon. So how is it a 90 point wine? That leaves only 10 points to perfect from ok. I understand the perspective- I think its Parker's influence as he has compressed the range for excellent wines and rates far too many wines 90 that should be 83. 83 or 85 are ok scores. 90 to me says buy this wine it's really good. Not trying to be offensive here. Would however like to restore the spectrum of scores
5/21/14, 3:47 PM - Probably better than those Dornish wines for sure. What would Stannis Baratheon be drinking?
3/4/14, 5:10 AM - Thanks for review and what restaurant in Neveh Tsedek? Spent two weeks in the Towers there March 2012 and we all loved every minute and almost every inch
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