1/21/23, 1:57 PM - Essentially no new oak here. What you are picking up as oak is probably reduction, but it could also be from use of whole clusters.
1/22/23, 1:06 PM - My apologies. I am somewhat dyslexic, and so you can easily see what my mistake was.Did you happen to catch who the importer was?
1/21/23, 12:41 AM - In 1990, the Domaine had only just recently purchased the vineyard. Aubert de Villaine said that when they were renting, they could not make all the changes necessary for top quality, but after purchase, they could do so. So this is a changes-in-progress wine, significantly better than previous versions (when RSV was a weak sister in the lineup) but not yet at the glorious level that would come in subsequent vintages.
1/19/23, 12:14 AM - I don't know if you are aware of it, but André Passat was a dba that Jaboulet used. It's exactly the same as the Jaboulet Cornas.
1/19/23, 1:58 AM - I'm not sure what you mean by "he didn't produce anymore". Who is "he"?Jaboulet Cornas was a négociant wine until 1993 when they bought the Domaine St-Pierre. André Passat was not a producer in Cornas, but instead is an alternate label that Jaboulet used to sell wines (from all of Jaboulet's appellations) in markets that already had an established Jaboulet importer. The Passat wines generally sold at lower prices than the Jaboulet-label wines, but they were identical. (I think that at one time Passat was a separate negociant and that Jaboulet purchased Passat, but that's going way, way back.)
1/19/23, 12:17 AM - Back in the day, Jaboulet would have more than one bottling of La Chapelle. My experience with the 1990 is similar to yours -- mostly ok, nothing exceptional. I did have one exceptional bottle though, 15+/- years or so ago.
12/17/22, 6:12 PM - By "usual" do you mean other vintages or other occasions when you have tried this vintage of the wine?
11/25/22, 12:03 PM - Maybe the six hour-decant wasn't so wise. I had this wine about 2 weeks ago straight from the bottle and it was showing very well. Why such a long decant?
11/25/22, 1:11 PM - !!!
11/25/22, 9:33 AM - You write as though your judgment on this one bottle is definitive for the state of the wine (i.e., it wasn't just an off bottle). Given that others on CT have been most enthusiastic about this wine as recently as this past September, do you think they are wrong or that the wine has just fallen off a cliff in the past two months?
11/25/22, 11:22 AM - So you categorically rule out the possibility that it was a substandard bottle.
10/14/22, 9:41 AM - Not sure what you mean by "affected", but I've had major cork problems over the years with this wine.
9/25/22, 10:45 PM - Sounds like your idea of Chave Hermitage is formed on post-2004 (or 2002) examples, when there was a decided style shift. The wines that the reputation originally was built on were always lighter, nervier, and more Burgundian than other Northern Rhônes. Indeed, when Robert Parker first encountered them, he complained that despite the reputation, he found them too light (although he soon thereafter changed his opinion).
9/20/22, 8:22 AM - Interesting set of notes. I'm curious about (A) who the importers of each bottle were (Chave, at least at one time, had different cuvées for different importers) and (B) what the provenance of these wines was.
9/16/22, 2:41 PM - Hmm, the bottles I have in my cellar (Lot LR 16 03 say 11-14% alcohol and I do not recall the wine as being alcoholic when I tasted it at the estate (and I usually am quite resistant to 15% alcohol wines).
8/20/22, 12:06 AM - Perhaps , but having also tasted this wine from barrel, I’m not surprised . It’s very good, but not at the same level as Rousseau , Trapet , Dujac, Leroy.
7/26/22, 5:48 PM - Which cuvée/importer? Provenance?
7/26/22, 6:57 PM - I bought a case of the 1985 (as futures) from Kermit. As you can see from my note since I joined CT, it was disappointing for a long time, then turned out to be very, very good, but the most recent bottle (wow! 9 years ago!) had reverted to disappointing. I still have three bottles, but am not sure when I'll get around to searching them out.
7/17/22, 4:27 PM - The back label says that the wine needs to aerated for 3-4 hours prior to drinking. I'll bet you didn't do that, because the wine indeed is funky when it originally is opened. Sorry that you wasted your money on a very nice wine that you didn't take the time to appreciate.
7/17/22, 6:45 PM - OK, in the case of a bad bottle, it may be better to just mark the bottle as flawed and not give a rating. I apologize for my snarkiness.
7/10/22, 7:10 AM - Provenance?
7/1/22, 10:04 AM - Provenance?
5/10/22, 10:24 PM - Provenance?
5/12/22, 10:42 AM - Fill and cork don't mean that much to me; I've had many a great wine from ullaged bottles. But you're saying you don't know how many times these wines have been resold and how they've been stored. Maybe it's just me, but I think the market should discount heavily in such a situation, but obviously it doesn't.
5/10/22, 9:04 AM - Thanks, Mark. I indeed remember that event well. I hope all's well with you. I'd invite you down to share some wine, but I'm still in Paris for the next 6-7 weeks. Maybe we can get together some time in July or August. BTW, you can contact me directly at finewinereview@gmail.com.Best,Claude
4/30/22, 10:23 AM - Notwithstanding what the sommelier said, I've had TCA issues with this wine through the years, so consider that a possibility.
4/14/22, 2:11 PM - Paraphrasing and echoing what one of my mentors, Richard Olney, wrote more than 30 years ago: you can enjoy Tempier at any age.
4/5/22, 11:33 AM - Provenance?
4/5/22, 11:47 AM - All I can say is that I've had a few (most recently on 10/4/20) from my own cellar, cellared since original release, and for me it's been stupendous.
3/28/22, 2:48 AM - 1. Eight years-old is generally not a great time to drink red Burgundy -- you risk the wine being shut down, which may be what happened to you.2. Is the Marchand-Tawse this wine under a different label? I think not -- Marchand-Tawse is a totally different producer. So why did you put it under Marchand-Grillot?3. If Châteauneuf-du-Pape is your thing, then yes, I'm not surprised that you didn't like the La Perrière.3.
3/26/22, 11:07 AM - Provenance?
3/27/22, 9:53 PM - Sounds like it might have been brett. Unfortunately, that can be a problem with Verset wines.
1/30/22, 4:33 PM - Looking at my experience with this wine and those of others, it sounds as though you had an off bottle -- whether due to variability of cork, a closed phase of the wine, or bad provenance (you mention what was paid for the bottle, implying that the wine had been recently purchased). I still have a very nice stash of this wine purchased on original release and I'm not worrying.
1/8/22, 5:32 PM - I guess you think 2011 isn't a very good vintage in Bandol? I think it's the best 21st century vintage in Bandol so far, with the possible exception of 2016. (I haven't yet tasted any post-2018 vintages.)
12/17/21, 11:08 AM - Taillepieds is a terroir that gives very slow-developing wines, and when you add d'Angerville to the equation, you've squared or maybe even cubed the situation. Many 2005s are coming around now, but it's no surprise that d'Angerville's 2005 Taillepieds needs more time, and it's only a modest surprise that this 2002 is only beginning to open up (at 19 years) -- I've got six in reserve so maybe I'll try one in the near future.
12/15/21, 3:17 PM - If I recall correctly, some of the 1990 (or was it 1991?) Domaine Leroy wines leaked (because the wines were filled so high and bottled in a very cold cellar), and to try to combat that, Leroy for a while did bottle its Domaine wines (at least for the US market) with capsules instead of wax -- red; white capsules for the Maison wines. So, if I am correct, you had the Domaine version (and in fact, I don't think there was a Maison version). Either way, happy birthday, sounds like quite a good celebration.
12/5/21, 8:53 AM - Production of many of the Médoc estates, including Mouton, is so large that there are perforce multiple lots of the wine in any given year, especially back in 1982, at the time an historically large vintage and no second wine was being made.Thus there is often unevenness among bottlings. I, for one, have never had a great bottle of this wine, and I tasted it many times in the mid-1980s after it arrived in the US.
10/27/21, 10:41 AM - Hope you didn't confuse the Volnay or Chambolle with the Pouilly-Fuissé. ;-)
10/27/21, 10:39 AM - Not much new oak used at Barthod -- about 30+/-%. After 19 years, I'd be surprised if what you think is perceptible oak is really that. Perhaps reduction, if the wine had not breathed long enough.
10/8/21, 1:50 AM - Your notes are spot-on. A relatively disappointing effort from a favorite producer, reflecting the problems of the vintage. I found the wine did improve some the second day, enough for me to put out 23€ to buy a second bottle to follow how it has evolved in five years or so.
9/8/21, 9:32 AM - I've had little problem with 2005s, but I think one has to choose climats and producers judiciously -- they don't all come around at the same time. As you can see from my notes on this wine, it is one of the ones that I was willing to drink already.
9/8/21, 12:18 AM - Given that your experience was so different from those of others who have tasted the wine recently and posted here, it sounds as though you had a bad bottle. What was its provenance?
9/8/21, 8:44 AM - So, then, if you refuse to recognize the possibility of bottle variation, which of the following do you think is true:1. Those other three people who have tasted the wine in the past year didn't know how to recognize a wine well past its prime;2. The wine has declined precipitously since they posted their notes.
9/8/21, 8:54 AM - I was not challenging your judgment of the wine in the glass before you -- I suggested it was not a representative bottle. But you rejected that possibility. Accordingly, your judgment of the wine is radically different from that of three other people who have tasted the wine in the past year and posted on cellartracker. If you reject the bottle variation possibility, which you do, there must be some other explanation. What is it?
9/8/21, 9:06 AM - I did not post a note. I have the wine in my cellar, so I am interested in what people think and when I should drink the wine. My question was innocent and not accusatory. But your answer makes clear that of the two choices I presented above, you think it is number 2, i.e., the other drinkers did not know how to recognize a wine that in your opinion is well past its prime.So that raises the question again, going back to my original comment in this thread, how are you able to be sure that the bottle you tasted was a representative bottle and not a bad bottle?
9/8/21, 9:30 AM - I will pop the cork and post a note -- but that will be several months until I'm again near the cellar where the wine is.
9/5/21, 6:45 AM - This is clearly a corked wine. You ought to mark it as flawed and not give it a rating.
8/17/21, 8:01 PM - Who was the importer of this wine?
8/18/21, 12:57 PM - There are various cuvées. Presumably yours is from Yapp?
8/18/21, 1:46 PM - Look for the lot numbers. They are suppressed generally in the US but were required in EU. Your statement about different bottling times being the only difference does not jibe with my experience and I tasted every year in the cellar at that time. Cf. Kermit Lynch’s Adventures on the Wine Route.PS— Only one cuvée of the white, AFIK.
8/19/21, 8:47 AM - Some wines pre-blending stay in wood longer than others, that is true. Not sure about post-blending, especially 30 years ago.A domaine’s official position is not always reflective of reality, and I’ve seen that in particular at Chave.Remember also that this was Gérard’s wine; Jean-Louis was living in California at the time.
6/29/21, 10:50 PM - At the time, Roumier did not blend the wine from the terre rouge with that from the terre blanche. In general, the terre rouge was sold to the US (Chateau & Estate label), the terre blanche to the other markets. Do you know which bottling you had? Sounds like what I would expect from the terre rouge.
6/26/21, 12:38 AM - Sounds like low-level TCA -- just enough to kill the fruit, not enough to show the cardboard signs.
6/26/21, 12:36 AM - Alas, TCA was a problem at GPL in 1982. When it's not there, the bottles are great.
6/18/21, 11:28 PM - Clavelier does not use much new oak and his toast level is modest. What you are calling oak is, I suspect, reduction.
5/23/21, 8:31 PM - Did you mean to mark this wine as flawed? If so, how was it flawed -- it's not evident from your description.
5/7/21, 4:54 PM - What was the provenance?
4/30/21, 4:49 PM - What was the provenance for this bottle?
4/17/21, 7:44 PM - The Champans terroir (and also the Santenots terroir) is quite different from what most people think of as Volnay (a village that has extraordinary diversity of terroir). I frequently see people criticizing Champans for the winemaking when, in fact, they're describing Champans exactly as it is. Unlike theirs, your description is not picture-perfect Champans, but having tasted this wine from barrel (in this, preceding vintages, and the final two after it that were still under Nic Potel), I don't think it's as much a winemaking issue as you make it out to be, and your second night observations sound a lot more like Champans -- it's a big, fleshy wine.
4/17/21, 10:03 PM - I wonder if it's oak. Sometimes stems or reduction can be confused with oak. Sometimes corks give off oak elements, too. I'd have to check my notes (which are nowhere easy to reach), but I don't think Potel used a lot of new oak on the Volnays.
3/22/21, 11:17 AM - What was the provenance of the bottle?
3/22/21, 1:24 PM - Thanks for the reply. I haven't drunk a bottle in a while, will have to get one out to check on how it's doing. I've always thought it was one of the top wines of the vintage.
3/22/21, 8:04 AM - I think the advanced stage is a winemaking issue.
2/22/21, 1:24 PM - What was the provenance of the bottle?
2/18/21, 7:45 PM - Might I suggest that what you thought was wood was reduction? It's a frequent confusion. Lafon's use of new wood is (and was back then) quite judicious.
2/13/21, 5:06 PM - Bussières, of course, is on the border of Morey, adjoining Roumier's Clos de la Bussière. Northern Chambolle is different from popular conceptions of what Chambolle-Musigny "is".
2/8/21, 7:01 AM - It wasn't DRC -- the grapes came from Thomas (since sold the plot to Forey). But a really good wine.
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