12/30/23, 11:24 AM - Thanks for the great note...I do have to say the glass can make a BIG difference in the overall impression of the wine. I just gave in and bought a 6 pack of Grassl 1855s and am sold on the overall experience a great glass can make. To get a 98 from "crappy restaurant glasses" makes me rethink giving these a couple more years to evolve before I open one...
11/21/23, 2:01 PM - Agreed...thanks for the great note. I bought these on a whim in 2015 not sure how they would evolve. After reading your note it looks like I will be quite pleased when I finally pop one open...
9/3/23, 3:14 PM - Just a great writeup - Thanks! I couldn't agree more with your perspective...I've moved on from Myriad and Quivet and have pulled way back on my Carter's and Bevan's. I am always searching for more purity and less BAM! (to quote Emeril Lagasse...).
1/28/23, 1:32 PM - I'm with you on the purchasing threshold...is a bottle of wine really worth north of $200 - $300? A six oz. pour $50-$75? I retired at the end of 2021 and I'm always on the lookout for excellent wines at lower prices...(BTW - I still buy but am having a much more difficult time pulling the trigger...I passed for the first time on a recent Myriad release where every bottle was $200+)
1/4/23, 1:48 PM - Thanks for the note...couldn't agree more about the Lede SLD being a great value in Napa. Worth mentioning too is the Cliff Lede Rock Block series that you can normally get for around $100. Typically also a great value for the price...
11/3/22, 1:05 PM - Thx...just a great note. I think I'll give these a year or two to unfurl given the typical Andremily power!The bottle is cool...just wish the OD (engineer speak...I just can't help myself!!) was a bit smaller. It doesn't fit in the normal 750 slots in my cellar!
9/3/22, 2:38 PM - Thanks for the great note - Really concerned about these after a TN from Cristal2000 earlier this year. I'm pleased this appeared to be on par with the Turtle Rock and rocked as well!Good luck on the Rhone path...if you keep drinking Andremily, TR, and maybe throw in a Saxum or Torrin occasionally, you'll be hooked!
3/31/22, 2:15 PM - Thanks #1 for the great note. As others have expressed on this thread I too am in a bit of a dilemma as to why Carter switched from Mike Smith to Bevan as winemaker. I mean why ruin a good thing? Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing how Russell will interpret the great fruit he is getting (not sure he makes anything from BTK at this time...maybe PerUs?) and make a Carter that is even better than previous MS versions. I was fortunate enough to have a tasting with Mark Carter a couple years ago (the '16 vintage) and was just blown away by how great everything they make was. I've been a Carter fan for years and agree with the concerns expressed that Bevan's Carters live up to previous vintages. We'll see!
3/22/22, 2:27 PM - MJP - Thx for the great review. Given all of the recent publicity (and trying a bottle of '19 Plum Orchard last night...just fabulous) I just ran by Wades wines and picked up a mixed case of 2019 Claude's, Plum Orchard, and Willow's. Not sure what their shipping policy is but they still have all three available (www.wadeswines.com) if anyone is looking for more :).BTW - I don't know of any Paso winery that is not producing a 2020 vintage. Although there was smoke across California the fires were well away from Paso and did not directly affect the wineries there
3/21/22, 4:00 PM - Thx. Cristal for the great reviews...Looks like the Saxum G2 is a great wine as well although very different than the TR G2. Given your experience to looks like this will even get better with time, say a couple years or so? - Wineaux
3/21/22, 3:54 PM - Just a total disappointment it seems...do you give this any chance of improving? I'm a bit surprised that a wine from a well rated vineyard made by a respected producer would have a showing this poor. I have a three pack and am hoping for a turnaround... Thx - Wineaux
3/10/22, 4:17 PM - Just a great note - Thx. I always enjoy your writing... "awesomesauce inoculation of huckleberry Hubba Bubba mainlined into your flavor muzzle" had me rolling! lol!I've been following the thread on this producer and just recently joined and got my meager allocation of the G2 (1 bottle...). I think I'll give it a little time...Just curious, have you or anyone else for that matter, tried the 19 SAXUM G2? I would think they're stylistically quite similar and am wondering as to how they compare? Thx - Wineaux
3/10/22, 4:32 PM - Thanks - I'm looking forward to getting your take on the Saxum. I appreciate your impatience!!!!
3/10/22, 4:34 PM - Good point Cristal...the Andremily is probably a closer match. But Binns is more SQN leaning than I would think the TR G2 is. This is what keeps it all interesting!
3/5/22, 9:23 AM - Thanks for the great note! Finally made the list this year and am looking forward to enjoying this great producer for years to come - Wineaux
2/16/22, 8:51 AM - I too have been patient with this wine...given your review I'll have to crack one of these open soon! Thx - Wineaux
2/12/22, 9:57 AM - Hi DQ - Seems like our tastes are quite similar...Andremily is one of my faves and TR seems to be headed in the same direction. Just curious...have you ever tried the SAXUM G2 and compared to the Turtle Rock? The SAXUM's always excellent but is more of a GSM than the TR...
2/12/22, 2:38 PM - Hey DQ - My taste definitely leans more towards the Grenache heavy blends...James Berry, Rocket Block, G2, & Hexe. The Syrah dominated blends are fab too (Broken Stones, Bone Rock, & Booker) but, for my palate, just a teeny bit behind the others. Good luck getting on the list! There's just so much to like about SAXUM beside the wines (not raising the price on JBV, Broken Stones, etc....I paid $98/750 in 2012 and $98/750 in 2019). A few years ago Justin even produced a "Thank You" wine (labeled "Gratias") that he sold to his members for $10! Given the popularity and demand for Justin's wines it's heartwarming to know there are people in this business who really appreciate their customers!!!!
2/12/22, 3:14 PM - Hey MJP - I think I've had it many years ago...but not in the last 5 for sure. I'll look in to purchasing and give it a shot. I'm always looking for that perfect Grenache! A couple to try from CA are Alban (Pandora) and Andremily. Torrin and Epoch also are good (Maven and Sensibility respectively).
2/13/22, 2:08 PM - MJP - Thx. Appreciate the insights and the contact.I was taking a look at their offering and am wondering if you've ever had El Diablo? This is also close to 100% Grenache from RRV (UV vineyard...I know this better as a Pinot Noir source for Aubert). The 2016 MARS is also intriguing as well...a great GSM is always a pleasure for me. It's a library offering...I do know Keplinger a bit as she was the winemaker for Bryant many years ago when I was buying that. I know she's quite talented...Thanks agin - DVS
2/13/22, 7:50 AM - From your note it looks like this is good to go with a reasonable decant. I think I'll definitely open one in the near term. Thx - DVS
2/10/22, 3:00 PM - As far as where the fruit is sourced being the culprit for the high prices... James Berry Vineyard (JBV) is owned by SAXUM (Justin Smith) who is unquestionably the most renowned producer from Paso and his vineyard is as well. SAXUM's wait list is definitely more than 5 years long...but you can get JBV fruit from other wineries as Justin does sell grapes to other Paso producers (Torrin and Turtle Rock...there may be more). Justin has also been involved with many wineries including Booker, Epoch, Linne Calodo, and Terry Hoage.
11/13/21, 7:15 AM - Thanks for the great note...Just received my fall shipment and I'm going to give these a bit of a slumber, probably at least a year or so, but it appears like I really have something to look forward to. From what I've heard it looks like I really need to load up on the spring release in a couple months!Love the new embossed bottles as well! - Dvs
12/27/20, 7:55 AM - Thanks for the great note - I appreciate the level headed score and accompanying description. I, for one, would never open a wine so soon after release and thank all of you for the notes on the early tasting experiences! To find a wine to be primary at this early stage would not be unusual...hopefully in a couple years the Crane's improve significantly and develop the complexity and nuances that are what make these wines so enjoyable to me. I popped a '13 a couple years ago and decided to give that more time...maybe it's finally ready. 14 & on I haven't touched yet...Cheers!
12/27/20, 8:56 AM - Thanks Mark - I've been drinking some 13's - 16's but I do try and be patient with what I consider to be the stars of my cellar (the Elysian definitely being one of them). I do enjoy reading these notes from all and appreciate your sacrifices. Cheers! - Greg
12/28/20, 10:18 AM - Thanks all again for your insight and experiences opening the Elysian. I wholeheartedly agree MIke's wines are far more approachable than many on release...A couple years ago I had the honor of tasting through the 16 Carters with Mark Carter and could not believe how fabulous they all were just a few months after released for sale to the list. Just curious, any experiences on the base vineyard designate Crane for 18? The may be a bit more appoachable than the Elysian? Love to hear what everyone thinks...
12/29/20, 12:35 PM - Hi #1 - I believe '19 will be a reasonably good vintage. Weather was decent and the fires came in late October...hopefully well after the fruit was harvested and processing. LPB is releasing initial comments the end of this month...curious to see what her take is. I'll try to publish a summary in early Jan. I know it can be a bit of a gamble purchasing simply on faith! - DVS
10/13/21, 1:53 PM - Great discussion...thanks all for your insights and experiences. One quick question for #1...you stated Russell Bevan is the new winemaker for Carter. When did that happen? I hadn't heard that...do you know what vintage he started? Love the Bevan stuff and would be exciting to experience what Russell can bring to the Carter lineup. Thx
3/2/21, 4:40 PM - Couldn’t agree more with everyone’s comments. Scott has been hitting home run after home run with his wines...now making many from grape sources no longer in Paso. I think he sold his parcels back to Booker to get the $$ to finally go out on his own...no matter, he’s doing awesome. Clos Solene, Law, and one more I’d add to the mix - Epoch and L’aventure (ok...two).
12/17/20, 9:07 AM - Hi Don - Thx for the great note....always one of my favorite producers. I find the NPV blend to be a really good value given the pedigree and source. Glad to see the '17 is doing well...I've been avoiding this vintage for the most part and have only purchased from a chosen few. I'll let my bottles sit a year or so and then dig in with confidence. Cheers!
12/9/20, 10:29 AM - Couldn't agree more with all of you as far as the 18 vintage and the upcoming 19 and 20. Don't get fooled by industry hype as to how great this 18 vintage is and how, although every neighboring vineyard seems to have issues, their 19s and 20s are tasting fabulous and you don't want to miss out! I too will be giving the cellar some time to refine previous purchases (and my wallet a break) over the next couple years as the 19 and 20 NPV wines are released.
12/6/20, 12:13 PM - Hey Bad - Thanks for the great note...my order just arrived after purchasing Thanksgiving week for they Black Friday event....25% off if you spent a bit. A really good deal. Looks like we should let these rest for a bit, maybe a year or so, and then they should be in a real sweet spot! I'm definitely looking forward given the great notes you and others have written so far about the '18s. Thanks again for your sacrifice... -
11/26/20, 11:40 AM - Correct, $98 for the JBV...no change since at least 2012. The $10 wine I was referring to is the 2017 Gratias...a thank you wine to people on the mailing list that SAXUM sold for $10 (Basically the cost of bottling...). Now how many wineries do anything like that? The Gratias is what I would call a "kitchen sink" kind of wine that has almost anything thrown in to it. Many other wineries do the same thing and label it estate or something else. And mostly sell it for the same general price as the balance of their offerings. Most likely selling only to those in the wine club who are the lucky ones to get this "exclusive" bottling!
11/23/20, 10:38 AM - Thanks for the great ape....been a fan of Scarlett recently as I believe this is one of the better values you can get! Even better is the just offered up to 25% off of the price for a Black Friday event. Damn good wine for $56...
11/23/20, 12:54 PM - No sure where the "ape"came from in my previous post...auto correct got me again! Anyway, thanks for this one and all of the great notes you write.
11/14/20, 3:04 PM - Hi MSU - Thanks for the great note...I too appreciate young wine and love to read notes by people who open early. I predominantly wait a bit if their impression is the wine is a a bit too young to really display the complexity and potential of the vintage. I would say you believe this to be true and give this baby at least a couple years to integrate and come together. I do appreciate your sacrifice (in the name of science of course!). Thanks for the many notes you write! - DVS
11/11/20, 7:22 AM - Thanks MSU - Great note. I've been buying these, and the flagship, for a good bit now and really believe that the Monsieur is a far better value than the moniker. My only issue is the Monsieur is really starting to creep up ($$)...and instead of competing as a second wine from a storied producer is now competing as a first. I'll hold these for at least a year and see how it goes...thanks again for the sacrifice! - DVS
10/30/20, 1:06 PM - Thanks for the tip WineGuy....I didn't even know about Saratoga wine exchange. A great price and reasonable shipping costs...I just picked up a 6 pack! - DVS
10/30/20, 3:04 PM - And with no presence in CA the prices are even better if you know what I mean...nothing for Sacramento!
11/4/20, 3:56 PM - Hi WineGuy - Just received the shipment of the Dehlinger Pinot and to my surprise it came direct from the winery! I believe at a lower cost than I originally paid from Dehlinger, nothing for Sacramento, and cheap shipping! This deal keeps getting better! - Thanks again for the referral... - DVS
11/1/20, 6:25 AM - Thanks FF...great note. I would think this is a bit early to open as it has not yet fully integrated, correct? I haven't received my shipment yet and typically give them at least a year to develop in bottle in the cellar before I pop the cork. I'm just now getting the courage to pop a 16!
11/4/20, 6:42 AM - Hi FF - Thanks...I do like to exercise a good bit of patience and wait a bit until I crack one of these open. I appreciate your sacrifice of the 2018 and alway look forward to people who publish notes on wines I purchase before I pull a cork!!! BTW - Your WOTY comment on the Myriad Dr. Crane...Was that the vineyard designate or the Elysian? Thx - DVS
10/28/20, 6:24 AM - Hi Dan - Glad to see this is doing well and not every 2017 is challenged! I have a few of these in my cellar even though I did avoid 2017 for the most part. Carter (Mike Smith) always seems to come through on the BTK and LPV designates... - Greg
10/27/20, 4:19 PM - I really enjoy Tor as well but I did stay away from the 17 vintage. It's rare Napa has a poor showing but many wines did suffer in 2017. I hope they do get better with time...Good luck!Loaded up on his 18s though...looking forward to getting them this winter!
10/27/20, 1:23 PM - Thanks for the great note Cristal...I'm looking forward to getting my 2018 deliveries from Myriad. I've been wondering if 18 would be similar to 16 in quality and style. I haven't dug in to the Myriad 16s yet but have tried Mike's efforts on the Carter 16s and I was blown away. Looks like we have similar tastes given the nots you publish...I'm in TO. We should try to get together sometime to share some wine!
2/8/18, 11:53 AM - Hi MFLESH - Just out of curiosity...you rate this wine a 95 with a potential of 96+ in one of your comments but also state is "one of the worst QPR wines you've ever had". I'm thinking retail for this wine is about $140....what would you expect a 95 pt wine to cost? 95 to 96+ is pretty high from my perspective...
3/24/17, 3:15 PM - Thanks for the note....always one of my favorite "unknown" Napa valley wineries. A great place to visit as well as the tastings are held on the owners property near the meadowood resort. Shhhhhhh - we don't want the work to get out too much though!
11/18/16, 9:43 AM - This is a spring mountain vineyard...truly great stuff! In my opinion one of the undiscovered gems in Napa.This looks like a great evening...somehow I missed my invitation! Thanks for the incite on how many of these wines are drinking today. As you conclude I am fortunate as well to have a few of these in my cellar.
7/30/16, 11:25 AM - Hi MTP - Well said...There's no doubt this is by far the best value at Hall recently. I'm a partner at the winery and have had the opportunity to taste virtually everything they've bottled over the last few years. The 2013 is a gem of a wine at this price point (if you like big bold cali cab!). Thanks again and enjoy!
7/12/16, 3:23 PM - I agree 100%...not a good wine whatsoever. As I stated in my note about this wine I wonder how a producer can sell this to their loyal customer base when they realize this wine is truly sub par. Understood 2011 was not a good year but I've had other 2011s that were very reasonable...quite good actually. But not this!
4/1/16, 4:16 PM - This is why I hate joining wine clubs...although there are benefits with some it seems to me many of the wineries offload wines on club members they are unable to sell through normal retail channels. IMO it's not the best way to drive brand loyalty to the discerning wine consumer.
12/22/15, 7:26 PM - I'm sure you're aware 2011 was an absolute bomb of a vintage for most Napa cabs (of course few wineries admitted it...most stated their practices enabled them to produce a great 2011 wine and the vintage maily affected everyone else). My hat goes off...way off...to wineries like Maybach that declassified the whole year and tossed it in the trash! The age old adage ' let the buyer beware' truly applies for instances like this! You're not the only one that is so disappointed!
12/16/14, 5:09 AM - Favia is one of my favorite Napa Valley producers…every wine is unique and expressive. Just curious…how did you manage a tasting with Favia? Thanks!
7/13/14, 9:54 PM - Hi Wendyinwlv...my wife and I live in TO and are always looking for like minded folks who enjoy the food and wine lifestyle as much as we do. I'm sending you a friend request as we are always seeking new folks to share the scene we've come to enjoy! Thanks - Greg
2/8/14, 5:55 PM - Pour Boy - Agreed...the 1.5 is the lesser of their cab blends. HS, one of my all time favorites, is the flagship of the winery. Being a big Rhone fan, Relentless is always in the running for the best of the vintage year in and year out in California. We agree, Shafer should be on the list for the pinnacle of winemaking in the US.
2/8/14, 1:26 PM - Big Tex - My bet for this one is it will just get older, not better. There needs to be something there to age. Unfortunately, in my opinion, this wine has nothing there that will age and improve
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