7/17/22, 1:39 PM - See my TN from 11 months earlier Mark - that was on a 750 ml, evidently Aero is of a similar mind. Must. Be. Patient. ;)
7/17/22, 8:14 PM - Isn't it strange when 4+ years feels that long ago? The problem is decent BdMs take ~10 yrs to hit the window and even then they can still feel young, then the big names/vintages can sail to 15+ before hitting full stride. Kind of crazy but often worth the wait, key must be to have 2 - 3 cases aging from the better vintages so you can partake with little to no regret...or just move to Italy?!?!
4/16/22, 2:05 PM - Often wondered if it's just me but have had similar experiences with this wine in earlier vintages - and may have judged this one with some bias given those memories, thanks for the affirming TN, will pay closer attention on the next bottle and perhaps blind it side by side with a pricier peer to validate!
4/12/22, 6:42 PM - Was the 68 a typo perhaps? :)
4/12/22, 7:22 PM - Thought so, well done!!
4/3/22, 9:36 PM - Don't punish the wine score for likely mistreatment by the transport/supplier - mark it flawed and move on svp.
3/2/22, 6:41 PM - No decant, hope the sediment rested or stuck as we had enuf throw for a meal on our first one, Santé!! (Wow that's quite a special list to navigate too).
3/1/22, 6:34 AM - Thanks WC, see that now in Pro Reviews, I thought CT's dw was usually algorithm v. review-based, but seems not here at least. JS suggests 'long drinking window' from 2019 while WA and WS don't estimate - agree 2025 could be the entry spot but suspect it will not improve much, if any, beyond 2030.
2/21/22, 4:24 PM - Gotta check out your TN before next bottle...intrigued
2/10/22, 11:42 AM - Yeah misery loves company right....at least I found where I bought this in Oct 2018 to attempt a refund and they're sending a return label for all 3 since I'd rather not open the other 2 anyway..here's the hype I recalled, quite a disappointing contrast:95 James Suckling - Jamessuckling.com"A fresh and lively red with lots of vivid, citrus acidity, giving it a driven backbone down the center of the palate. Medium body with dark fruit. Drink now."93 Antonio Galloni - Vinous"The 2016 Chianti Classico is gorgeous. One of the more powerful, deep Chiantis of the year, Monteraponi's 2016 packs a serious punch of fruit and structure, all in the classic style that is so typical of the estate. Floral notes add freshness and lift, but the 2016 mostly stands out for its structure. This is a stellar showing. Don't miss it."Product Description:"I am floored by this wine. Incredible depth leaps forth from this aromatically supercharged release, bolstered with classic lines of deep black and red fruit, all beating in sync to a mineral vein that simply put, elevates this astounding Chianti Classico above that of countless other Italian red wines. Period." -Stephen C. Fahy, DWS
1/27/22, 6:59 PM - Didn't analyze to this degree but it's still really good and your TN is on point!
1/27/22, 6:50 PM - Nice note, thanks for sharing ur impressions, looking forward to trying soon. Don't put PR or Lodi out to pasture yet...real sea change in style is ongoing in Zinfanland. Try some J Dusi for starters, plenty of great restrained/balanced PR zins being released in the mid-tier ($25 - $45) when you take a chance to revisit, have been hearing similar from Lodi, DCV, and beyond. Cheers!
1/21/22, 8:54 PM - Nice to hear and glad to be sitting on 3...for now.
1/21/22, 2:30 PM - Any consideration for the fact that many 18's are entering the dumb phase, and usually the better the wine the bigger the impact? Speaking from limited experience but seems a plausible explanation for the 'average' showing. Jeff Leve might have insights...here's JD 100: this monumental, legendary wine won't hit maturity for a good 8-10 years and will have 40-50 years of longevity if well stored.
1/9/22, 6:10 PM - None left here, hope it does Ok 4 u!!
12/14/21, 7:04 PM - I think it's got bones SRH, need to blind with some comps and see in a couple years...
12/9/21, 6:23 PM - Well I'll just say I'm honored after 1+ week on the CA road to be part of this story - I liked this slightly more Coravined 2 days earlier however the TN is totally on point, would expect nothing less from our gracious host SF. Thanks again for an amazing CT pop-up tasting with the flyover country contribution! ;)
11/22/21, 9:11 PM - Sounding more and more like my Medicare wine..
10/28/21, 12:15 PM - Thanks SF - yes stuck in flyover country, but do travel often....and hoping to be able to write off such trips in near future if all goes well ;-)Looks like next one is May 8-9 in NYC if website is accurate? https://www.jamessuckling.com/great-wines-of-italy-new-york-city/ Looks like this travels around for proximity to you too?FYI - tentative plans to be out your way first week of December for the North Coast Wine Industry Expo in Santa Rosa, then heading to Paso for several more days.
10/28/21, 8:12 PM - Glad to hear it turned out ok despite the timing...thanks for the offer, know that would be memorable, just trying to firm up my December itinerary and will get in touch as soon as I know more. Base will be Los Gatos, likely headed north 12/1 then south 12/3, could stay night in SF the latter...may be connecting with distant cousins in SF that evening who are into wine too.
11/19/21, 8:27 PM - So will be doing the circuit north 12/1 and south 12/3, the latter to include a dinner in SF ~ 7 pm so a pre or post cork-popping might be feasible. Not sure how to take convo off CT, let me know best way to contact or shoot an email if still interested to explore it! -Laz
11/8/21, 3:18 PM - It was a Secret Deal but not $16...assuming it was the same service, this was listed at $66, winery wanted to sell for $40, but they got it down to $30. Hope that doesn't mar your opinion, perhaps not as massive a RRV value but sounds like it wasn't too over-hyped either.
11/16/21, 2:41 PM - Looking forward to sampling likely with our mushroom stuffing, thanks for your preview!
10/28/21, 6:08 AM - Had first of 2 yesterday, thanks for the detailed TN for reference, agree with both your and SF comments. The 2+ hrs decant certainly helped it open up at this point. Not one for the ages but quite solid and decent value for the ~$30 paid.
10/20/21, 8:19 AM - Well if you scan the latest NV/Cali cabernet report in WS you'll find this is JM's highest rated 2018 Smart Buy @ 93 pts and $44, meaning it's clippping right at the heels of mostly triple-digit priced 95+ pointers which validates your opinion. Since this can be found around $35 - $40 net, and has an excellent track record as SF mentions, I think it would be shrewd to go for 6 - 12 btls to sample 1 or 2 each of the next few years. Or if you can afford to shell it out 2 cases is not unreasonable at all - figure it's 2X+ as many bottles as the 95 pt Salvestrin or Snowden, and 4 - 6X+ the number of many other 95 pts rated over-priced name-dropper trophies. It may not exude the brand panache but it will reward in the glass and that's what really matters most, happy shopping and cheers!!
10/17/21, 7:38 PM - Si pourquoi un 79 avec 'tres bon' NdD?!?
10/17/21, 11:52 AM - Thanks for the note SF, I'm certain I gave this 2+ hours of decant time on day 1. My aged Barolo experience is novice+ (9 TNs in last couple yrs for 09-12's) however I've tasted many youngsters over several decades, including during Piedmont biz meals where I likely enjoyed older ones which were ethereal at times. The best so far were 2010 Cascina Luisin Barolo Serralunga d'Alba Léon (MY92) then 2011 Rivetto Barolo Del Comune Di Serralunga D'Alba (MY91). 4.5 cases in stock and also calibrate on Barbarescos such as 2005 Tenuta San Mauro Barbaresco Riserva Canova (MY94). I recall the deal on this was likely through Winelibrary so may have been same $25 per or even $20, and it was well rated though lost access to original critic reviews. Will likely revisit this one either this winter or next, appreciate the feedback, keep it coming!!Cheers, Laz
10/13/21, 12:00 PM - Sounds similar to my experience...wondering just how long this needs if you have any thoughts.
10/12/21, 6:55 AM - Thanks for the detailed TN, curious to see where this goes and trying to have patience for last 2 so this helps!
10/4/21, 12:34 PM - How does $17.50 delivered by the case sound?
9/28/21, 8:02 PM - Was it flawed or ??? Don't often see 50 vs. WS94, JS95, and CT88.8 - unless you just generally hate on CCRs I'd guess this was a corked bottle?
9/17/21, 9:44 PM - Seems apples and oranges and not a fair fight...especially against well-aged benchmarks from different regions plus a Napa beast. Hard to avoid bias here I think. Context also makes a huge difference, give it time and serve in a balanced/comparable line up next time and maybe the results are more in line?
9/15/21, 11:14 AM - Source for $20USD?
9/15/21, 8:32 PM - I did, only shows 1 current US supplier @$46 list, so believe <$30 w/free ship here is very much in line, if not a great deal, and is availble elsewhere. (Note my PRO version expired last month, perhaps it shows other options if/when I renew)
8/25/21, 9:47 AM - Me too Mark! May have been an off bottle, or still cracking the code on when to drink BdMs for best results. Seems like most quality producers benefit from ~10 yrs and easily glide into 20 before risk of fading. A really long learning curve!!
8/10/21, 7:21 PM - 69 points, did you mean 89 or???
8/10/21, 8:03 PM - NP, figured a typo, we all get excited from time to time...especially with the good sh*t!!
8/10/21, 2:03 PM - YW, nice details, thanks for sharing!
8/9/21, 3:21 PM - Cheers friend...took you awhile!!
7/21/21, 7:15 PM - Perhaps avoid drinking $100 wines with a cold? This is a stunner which very likely does need some more time, good move on the NR.
7/19/21, 11:26 AM - We had our first ever at ~10 years old in the mid-90s and it was exceptional / memorable - believe it's made in a style to peak around this 8-10 yr window - like CT dates suggest - many sites also still offering online $32 - $40+ (https://www.winetransit.com/grgich-hills-estate-chardonnay-2017-750-ml-5363.html) plus multiple Total Wine listings. Love Sushi Sundays, good to know :)
7/14/21, 9:51 AM - YW Mark, hard to beat QPR at $20 via WineText too!!
7/14/21, 10:59 AM - Winelibrary's text service, occasionally some super deals:Item Description Price Qty Total 16 - DIERBERG PINOT NOIR (750ML) $19.99 12 $239.88
7/8/21, 8:05 PM - Yup, win some and lose some Mark, this was in the W column for sure! Only wonder about the drink range on Godellos and if a couple years more helps, profile seems similar to most SB which generally tops out at 2 - 4 yrs tops.
7/6/21, 1:37 PM - Thanks for your note, it's back this week - shhh!!
6/15/21, 9:19 AM - Great note, very similar to my take on the 2019 and why I went in for the 2020 @ $15 on case sale, hard to beat this QPR for sure, cheers!
5/13/21, 7:24 PM - With M-T doing his thing at Bedrock and Joel at O&F I'm not sure there is much need to buy any other Zins/Blends at ~$40-$50...Ok maybe some Carlisle, Ridge, A. Rafanelli, even Seghesio SV's and a little Turley sprinkled in....but boy do these rock your world!!
5/13/21, 7:51 PM - Thanks MJP...poor cellar has cardboard on the floor now so T is still fitting...pic was wife's 50th Bday present, custom made ('Ask to See My Cellar' on back). O&F would be a great addition anytime anywhere, met Joel and tasted with him in Feb 20, amzing dude.
5/10/21, 7:57 PM - Great note, very similar rationale and also pleasantly surprised, very few bubbles under $25 - $30 which outperform this little mystery ;)
5/10/21, 6:47 PM - Blue - sound skeptical of CT window out to '28, kind of figured 8 - 10 yrs for Paso would peak, I need to make more room so will hit it relatively soon thx.
5/6/21, 7:19 PM - Yeah Ghengis, there is anti-trolling too I guess...either way a few legit 95+ ratings will marginalize the impact statistically. Once there are 30+ TNs this troll will be irrelevant ;)
4/19/21, 12:48 PM - Great to hear early commentary and comparisons, solid potential and consistent with WA notes as well. Scored 2 stacking multiple discounts just under $50 (would have been 6 otherwise), so the QPR could ultimately rival the best out there. Any thoughts on when to try first of 2 given your multi-year experience?
4/20/21, 2:59 PM - Yes, TY for guidance, will likely hit 1st in 24/25 and go from there!
4/20/21, 2:57 PM - All the 'pros' say drink now and for 10-15 year but CT window starting in 2024 seems like a better bet for peak drinkage, cheers mate!
4/17/21, 7:25 PM - 75 is kind of trashing a wine on the scale for most, just so you're aware.
3/24/21, 6:01 PM - Really wondering what's going on with the swings in scores here, especially with a WS92 best buy - maybe some bottles not treated well, barrel variation at winery, bottle variation etc? Was thinking to respect the DW but now may at least Coravin one to see what the heck is up. If 'meh' can cook with it or serve others, if decent save the 2nd bottle a couple and check back. Monsanto normally is more consistent, right???
3/24/21, 6:43 PM - Ok, couldn't wait, did the Coravin and holy s*it this is down right OOOOFFFFFFF! Glad I paid so little, will attempt to return. First thought was middle school locker room, and it went spiraling downhill from there, the astingency will only merit a sour stomach. You were generous with the 84 if similar to this, undrinkable is 60 - 75 in my estimation. Something is definitely not right with this wine and glad you brought it to our/my attention! Will Coravin something else I know to be good just to get smell/taste out of my head, oof!!
3/28/21, 9:11 AM - Same here, we all need some 'weeknight wines' here and there to keep us honest, but this one sadly was a real low point.
3/19/21, 8:35 PM - Trying to understand the appeal here to justify 25 - 50% premium above similar DCV / RRV peers like Ridge, A. Rafanelli, Bedrock, Nalle, etc.
3/19/21, 8:54 PM - Seduced by WA96 rating and notes tbh, likely an experiment which does not bear much fruit...a small amount of research yields excellent examples from here to Paso.
3/21/21, 7:50 AM - Thanks for OV rec and guidance...really makes me want to organize a 2016 'Zinfandown' with some wine peeps to blind taste 5 or 6 stalwarts with price strata at ~ $20 / $30 / $40 / $50 / $60. Group then ranks taste and value guesses. Would be fun and educational, if/when it happens we'll fire up the 'cue and I'll report out!
3/21/21, 9:55 AM - Thanks Rich, I'm a T-Bird alum and have a junior who may consider ASU plus doing a college visit...so you never know, I might just show up!!
3/10/21, 6:55 PM - WA Club price is best I've seen, FS w/2+ too...
3/7/21, 7:41 PM - Yeah a little more Burgundian, maybe a hybrid...still rich and complex but not as fruit forward, more of the toast and earth perhaps. Brought it to dinner so no detailed notes, more of a general impression.
3/5/21, 7:14 PM - Appreciate the TN, will be trying soon!
Thanks for letting us know about this problem. We will review your comments and be in touch soon with an update.
Search