4/17/24, 4:15 PM - I'd say! ;-) John Gilman's drinking window STARTS at 2023 and goes to 2055. These wines become incredible with age. But... perhaps your profile name tells us why you prefer these young. :-) No shame in that. These will never be a big juicy wines, and will only lean out over time (for me, into beautiful, ethereal creatures with stunning elegance of tertiary flavors).
1/15/24, 9:22 AM - Thank you for your wonderful write up! I have many of most of these wines from 2010 but haven't yet opened a single one of them, so it's awesome to read your notes, and surprised to hear that you think they're approachable already. I've opened some of my lower tier 2010s and also have been a bit surprised on their drinkability, so perhaps it is indeed time to crack into the top stuff. I certainly need to at least open a 2010 Bartolo Mascarello because I'm going to paint my cellar and color match the walls to that wine. ;-) I also appreciated how you chose to not score the Cappellano, but also very clearly delineated where it landed in the lineup. For me, scores are super helpful for this, but you've been kind to Teobaldo's request while still assisting the community here. Thanks!
1/10/24, 10:23 AM - Wow, I wonder what's happening here? I had the wine at the winery this summer and loved it and it was certainly typical of other vintages (i.e. sublime and elegant), but haven't yet drunk any of my bottles from Garagiste yet. Perhaps I'll have to crack into one soon and investigate these particular bottles!
11/30/23, 5:36 PM - You nailed this note and capture the character of the wine very well! These are the reasons I have the second most bottles of this wine in my cellar than any other. What a fun wine and killer QPR.
11/30/23, 8:52 AM - It was decanted and began to be drunk at hour one. We continued to drink it over the next 6 hours and it remained consistent throughout.
8/12/23, 8:51 AM - The wine is 16 years old...?!?! And it's a 2017? Holy crap, the current year is 2033! I have lost 10 years in my sleep last night!
4/2/23, 7:42 AM - Perhaps you "drank" the wrong wine in cellartracker? This is a red wine.
3/20/23, 7:38 AM - Wonderful note and thanks for sharing your experience and disclaimers with the bottle! Sounds like our palates align quite a bit (i.e.: many of my peak wine experiences has been with 30-60+ y.o. Barolo from traditional producers). I have well over 100 bottles of Galardi across all vintages, so I'm with you on going long on this producer because I suspected that at peak maturity, they will show as splendidly as your note details. I haven't yet opened any of my 2002's. Sounds like it may be time to check in with one.
3/7/23, 1:43 PM - Thanks for the heads up on the progression... I'll keep that in mind when I open my first one and let it sit for a few days before passing final judgement.
2/3/23, 7:21 AM - Thanks for your notes on these... had me crack back into them. I don't know what's going on here. We both had a truly spectacular bottle, and being that yours were so closely spaced, I don't suspect it's an aging problem, but perhaps a bottle variation problem. I have a tremendous number of bottles left after that first experience with it. I hope I get some bottles showing the beauty of the first!
1/21/23, 10:05 PM - Great note. Thanks for the heads up.. sounds like I should crack one in the next few years to see what sounds like a very pretty spot for the wine. The last one I had in 2014 was closed as a rock.
1/9/23, 7:34 AM - Bummer yours wasn't showing as well as mine! I was a bit surprised that I got so much enjoyment out of my first bottle. Generally I agree that this is 10 years from peak, though, even considering the enjoyment I received from the bottle I just opened. I had 8 bottles though, so I figured ~13 years old was a fine time to crack the first bottle, and I'm glad I did. I'll probably wait another ~4-5 years before the next, because I do think it is still in the early window phase. Hope to drink with you again soon!
12/15/22, 5:39 PM - I am not sure if you believe in or have experience with such things, but according to the Biodynamic Calendar, you consumed this bottle in December on a "Fruit Day", the best day to drink red wines as they are the most expressive, and the bottle in November was consumed on a Root Day, which is the worst and they feel a bit more shut down. Hey, I'm not saying this is the truth, just pointing it out. :-) I don't know if I believe it yet because it seems so wacky, but I swear when I have a similar experience to the one you just had, where two bottles consumed so close and one showed better than the other, I swear 80+% of the time I go back and check, the better bottle was consumed on a Fruit Day. Has to due with the moon or some shit. Have fun!
12/9/22, 2:59 PM - Very true that the vintages (and vineyards) are very different here... My comment on style I guess has more to do with my drinking of many vintages going back to the 90s, as well as conversations with Réyane and Pierrick that I had during a visit at the winery in Volnay in 2018. There's no doubt that Pierrick has changed many things both in the vineyard (going organic, lower yields) and the winery, and while I do believe Pierrick is most certainly still firmly in the traditional camp, there does seems to be a very intentional action to "improve" the wines and make them more approachable in their youth (not so "old school"). How it lands is up to every taster's palate! The press has written about this shift quite a bit, as well (The Wine Advocate, Allen Meadows, and The Fine Wine Review have written about the shifts). So... I think it's all the things, including the vintage and vineyard (I find their Clos des Chenes is always a more structured wine) difference as well, and I could have done a better job of noting that.
12/8/22, 4:15 PM - Wow, three one line notes on the exact same bottle of wine you followed for days? I guess that's one strategy to catch Richard Jennings as the most prolific CT tasting note writer. ;-) I pray not everyone starts doing this... talk about clutter.
11/1/22, 3:02 PM - I saw your note on the 2009 Prestige (as I still have a few)... a wonderful note you wrote! Yes indeed, I can't agree with you more... I love aging these things as my plan is to have Tuesday drinkers that were $13 on release, 20 years from now! Can't beat Guion for that, which is why these days I snatch up at least a case of both the Prestige and the Domaine (or whatever they're relabeled as this year). This is serious juice, for as you say, supermarket plonk money.
7/19/22, 8:02 AM - I have just one bottle (purchased in Italy)... thanks for the note! I'll let this sit for a while longer.
6/5/22, 9:07 AM - Uh oh... I haven't opened one since 2013! I need to drink more of these. Look out for my note... if I can find them!
6/3/22, 9:18 AM - Great to hear; thanks! I'm still sitting on a bottle, and was wondering it it may still have some life left. Nice to hear of a recent person enjoying it. It's my birthyear, so I'm always looking for '79s to drink throughout the rest of my life. How much time do you think I have left to hit this in a good spot?
10/6/21, 7:52 AM - Great note, thank you! I'm unfamiliar with this producer and haven't found too many detailed notes to give me a sense of the house style. Your note was very thorough and helpful!
10/3/21, 2:18 PM - The bottle was certainly not corked (no TCA present). It could be “flawed” but in a way that I can only think would occur in winemaking/bottling. I’d have to try several more bottles to be sure what’s going on, but it’s nice to know you had the bottle and it didn’t resemble mine. I asked the shop about it and they said they’d keep a bottle for me as they suspected something was off with mine. Again, if this bottle was off in the way it showed, I’d suspect at least some percentage of bottles would also show this way. If I try another bottle and it doesn’t resemble this one, I’ll likely remove my score… but as it sits now nothing about it seemed to be a one off bottle issue. Thanks for your feedback!
6/10/21, 9:40 PM - I saw your note on the cork and forgot to mention that mine was flawless... no streaks up the side and just red on the tip, where it should be. This was my first bottle of the '18 Prestige and I also didn't have any cork problems with either '18 Domaine I opened.
7/13/21, 9:19 AM - Thanks for your thoughts, kdubler! I totally agree with you on all fronts, and it's great to hear confirmation from another experienced palate with these wines. My first vintage with both the Domaine and the Prestige was the 2009 and I have been buying whenever possible since then. It's one of the true bargains in the wine world. We actually had a visit planned at the winery in Bourgueil for March of last year, but had to cancel the trip three days before departure! We will make it there soon...
7/2/21, 6:28 PM - Thanks for the note... I've lost mine, and need to dig them out of boxes! Last one in 2015, so I'm well over due and sounds like I may have missed the peak!
1/29/21, 12:42 PM - I agree, this is a very special bottle of wine! Thanks for sharing your appreciation with us.
12/15/20, 5:39 PM - Likewise, thanks for your continued notes on this one. I will need to dig mine out, wherever they are... I have a full case and haven't tried a one yet! Sounds like it's time to crack into them. Thanks!
12/9/20, 2:34 PM - Yes... a sensation of a bit too much alcohol. It was pretty surprising for Cappellano.
10/30/20, 6:10 PM - No, but thank you for the reminder! I'll try and crack one (and note it) in the next week.
10/29/20, 6:19 PM - Thank you for letting me know it was useful!!
9/13/20, 4:29 PM - Yes, all of my bottles were from the Premier Cru lot. See my other notes. I think this wine saw some heat along the way.
4/16/20, 6:58 PM - Thanks for the reminder about these! I had lost mine in the back of the cellar, but your note made me go dig them out and pop (and note) one for myself as I wasn't expecting much after all this time. Glad I did.
1/9/20, 3:46 PM - Correct. Have you not ever had a wine that expresses its flavors lightly on the palate but then finishes powerfully in structure? The note reads Nose. Palate. Finish. I actually find this quite common in young red Burgundies.
8/17/19, 2:59 PM - Thanks for your comment and input! As always, when opening 22 wines one has to choose which to open, so the emphasis today I guess was on more of the older wines so we didn't get to compare to the newest. That said, I have had most vintages since 2005 as well and I have found them very consistent and beautiful, particularly with the reds (I just think the whites need more time to show their best). I am super jealous of your visit history, for sure! I hope to eventually get over for a visit... if I'm allowed these days! It was interesting just how "down" on the Saint Joseph he was! He said the 1990 should have been drunk "long, long ago!" but I thought it was wonderful! And the 2016 was very pretty as well. He definitely seems to be putting a lot of effort into Saint Joseph, so perhaps your prodding is coming around after all. :-)
7/11/19, 8:42 AM - Thanks for the comment! I wrote that note after a fresh pop and pour and thinking, "Cool, I like this again!" By the time I got to the end of my 6oz glass I think I was growing tired of it... It was definitely supposed to be a two glass pour night but I only managed another 3oz or so (over 4 hours!). So, I guess it's still a bit weird to consume a bottle by myself. :-) We'll see how I do tonight with the rest!
3/7/19, 10:46 AM - I know, right? ;-) I actually brought it to taste with him to "prove him wrong" that it was drinking well. I was very pleased to have tried it at this early entry point! I had the 2010 on release in the Burlotto cellar and it wasn't drinking as well this young as the '13 is.
10/26/18, 12:21 PM - Thanks for your thoughtful message, BigGDaddy. You ask all the right questions... but like, ALL of them. :-) This is the source of a night long conversation, not just a tasting note reply. But you're exactly right... it is a gamble and based upon your experience, you need to factor your personal failure rate into the price of whatever wine you're buying. I certainly do. But thus far, with smart buying, I'm able to wind up on the positive side of the aged experience at least half the time, and since I refuse to pay top dollar for the wines, this makes it worth while for me. The decanting too long thing is a major problem. If you don't have the possibility to decant and just taste every 30 minutes until it's ready, then don't decant at all. I prefer The Audouze Method (google it if you're not familiar) of slow oxygenation... just open the bottle and stand it upright in the cellar. You wouldn't get all the benefits that decanting gives a young wine, but you also won't risk it going off, as you have a small air contact patch. So small some argue it wouldn't do anything, but experience says it does a lot.... particularly with old bottles that initially show some musty, or "old" aromas. With old Bordeaux, I usually just do slow-oxygenation. With Barolo, I generally do that for ~8 hours, then decant at serving. It usually continues to improve to a point, at which point it could start to fade. The second it starts, cover the decanter. As I'm sure you're aware, provenance is king when buying old bottles. Part of that only happens with experience in buying from particular old retailers that focus in buying old cellars. Some do their homework better than others. Some I know only buy if they can trace the whole buying history of the wine, and personally inspect the storage facility. This just takes experience... working with particular vendors until you know who's trustworthy. I have plenty I no longer buy from because of my personal poor track record. Sometimes old wine gets a bad rap because of these folks. For whatever reason, most of the old Italian wine I've sourced from the US (that I suspect has been aged in the US) has turned out quite poorly. The same isn't said for what I've had from Bordeaux, which has been very positive. This may simply be because Barolo did not have the reputation in the 60s and 70s it has now, so those old bottles aged in the US may just not have been treated as well as the Bordeaux, which has been collectible in this country much longer. So, for old Italian wine, I only purchase bottles sourced from old cellars in Piedmonte... and there are many. There are some retailers in the US who are doing this now, but there are quite a few shops in Piedmonte that do this. This is of course a big pain, but I've had great success. Many families in these regions have cellars as its just part of their culture. So you're much more likely to have properly aged bottles sourced from Italy. Hope this helps, and good luck!
4/26/18, 10:03 PM - Yes indeed, if you click on the event for the tasting note you can even see the photo I uploaded of him pouring this very sample from the 45hl cask.
4/25/18, 8:02 PM - When you scored this wine 88 and 89 points two other times and then this note call it "same old stuff" but give it 100 points, I think this score was a mis-type...
10/3/17, 7:35 PM - Totally agree! I have already contacted the store I bought it from and confirmed they (and the importer) will be refunding me for the corked bottle. This works well for wines I just bought (this one), but harder when I buy bottles to age and find the corked bottles a decade later. Gulfi needs to fix their cork game...
6/1/17, 12:51 PM - Wow, thanks so much for your comment, Bob!
4/24/17, 8:51 AM - That is a very interesting interpretation about what you're drinking, because Cavallotto is a staunch traditionalist and there is nothing "modern" about the production of this wine. As one importer says, "The Cavallotto family were one of the first small bottlers in the Barolo zone, starting in 1948... The Cavallotto family hasn't changed at all in this time; their wines were made by traditional methods 50 years ago, and they are still."Not only do they practice natural farming, but they see very long maceration and then aging in large Slovinial botti (of course, no barrique). So... I gather from your review there's something you don't like about the wine, but it can't be because it's made with modern techniques, which I gathered you were implying, because it isn't. :-) 2010's do tend to have beautifully expressive fruit, even if they're massive as well. My first bottle of this vintage was actually flawed, but I am familiar with Cavallotto and am surprised someone would find them tasting "modern" (i.e. barrique, short rotodrum fermentation, etc.).
4/24/17, 10:50 PM - Indeed, they are not as traditional as the most, so I did over state that. I do consider myself a "staunch traditionalist" when it comes to what Barolo I enjoy, and I do enjoy their wines, including the ones I've had back to the '70s and 60s, so they certainly have aged quite well, too! I'm looking forward to having more of the 2010's I purchased... but probably not for 20 years. I didn't make a visit on my last trip to Barolo, but they will be on my list for the next trip.
4/25/17, 7:56 AM - I agree with il_diavolo... none of their wines that used roto fermenters are yet old enough to tell how well they can age. That said, the wines I've had from the late 90s are still plenty in tact, which can't be said for plenty of full modern houses (I'm speaking to my palate, obviously). Total conjecture: I personally still have some concern though, and would expect they won't age as long as something like Giuseppe Rinaldi or Bartolo Mascarello. The whole point of roto fermenters is to break up the tannins and make the wines more approachable and creamy in their youth. This HAS to have an impact on the wines long term, one way or another. The wines may still be good in 50 years, but I bet they won't be drinking the way the current 1961s are drinking. I bet those 1961s were totally unapproachable for 20 years... which, for most people buying wine these days with the intention to drink them in their own lifetime, may not be a bad thing. Now to argue with myself some more, that said, what's the primary structural element that's living strong in ancient Barolos? It's not (always) tannins... it's acid. I would hope the acid profile can be maintained even if you're intentionally changing the tannin profile, so perhaps they will age just as long if the acid is maintained. But still, they will age differently, regardless. Sorry for arguing with myself... it's just a fun topic to discuss. :-) To your other questions, I do think the roto fermenters may come into play with what you tasted, as their purpose is to make creamier, more approachable wines in their youth. I think a lot of the vintage came to play, too. This is actually something that will make the 2010's great in their old age, because they do have the fruit profile to remain delicious. That said I think the 2010s are likely firmly in an awkward window at this point where they'll likely remain for some time. As for the commonality of roto fermenters in "top" producers... that totally depends on who you think is a top producer. :-) There are plenty of wines that score in the upper 90s from the major publications that have a huge following that use roto fermenters spinning like mad and then put the wine in barrique. Certainly, the full traditional producers (the aforementioned Rinaldi, Mascarello, Cappellano, Burlotto, Giacomo Conterno, etc.) don't use them. So, with my bias included, I'd argue that no, MY top producers don't use them. But inherit in your question is an opinion.
4/9/17, 8:45 PM - tward, agree on all accounts! Thanks so much for sharing your experience with the wine!
2/7/17, 8:41 PM - I actually bought another just to double check as I usually really like this wine... I also generally like John Gilman and he scored this wine 96!! Seems crazy considering my bottle. I'll try and open that second bottle, and note it, this week.
2/1/17, 3:36 PM - So a wine 16 years old is loved but then at 16 years and a "few months" it's over the hill? Probably not the additional months that made it ruined... probably more like bottle variation or simply your palate was in a different mood.
10/8/16, 7:32 PM - I certainly think the wine does indeed need another decade as the structure is quite dominant today. A 1999 I had this year was approaching a window, but still needs time. That said, this is a very rustic old world wine. If your palate tends towards California than this style may just not be to your liking no matter the years. I personally love the style, but it absolutely needs time to come around. Like a traditional Barolo that takes over 30 years to come around, these are in a similar vein.
9/20/16, 7:49 AM - The scale exists for the whole world of wine. There are plenty of wines that I generally choose not to drink that score in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. And yes, I generally choose not to drink wines that I personally rate in the low 80s, even though for the whole world of wine they rate what cellartracker's interpretation of the scale lands in "good". For wines crafted by traditional producers like Correggia, it's pretty rare to find something scoring 81. There are so many more choices out there in the world that I don't have to drink wines that I only enjoy at an 81 point level, or "good". I shoot for more, even though if served at a party where wine wasn't the focus I may continue to consume this wine, if I am to sit down with focus on it, I wouldn't find it drinkable in that setting. There's just too much better wine out there.
8/29/16, 12:14 PM - Enjoyed reading your notes and stories from Piedmont. Agree with your general comments on Cavallotto; I'll have to put it on my list of future visits for my next Piedmont trip. I agree their Freisa is quite lovely, and look forward to getting some of the '13 in my cellar. The regular '10 Barolo Bricco Boschis is fantastic, so I too will have to add some of the Riservas!
5/9/16, 10:20 PM - Probably. That's why Premier Cru went bankrupt owing $70 million in undelivered wine!
1/22/16, 8:32 PM - Nope, it was indeed the 2009. Poured alongside the 2008.
1/15/16, 1:48 PM - So are you saying that you've waited long enough for this one and it's good, or that despite your wait this still needs time?
8/16/15, 8:56 AM - I think you may be right... I don't know what else would explain how awful these were and I don't think it's just that others enjoy what I detest. There's surely some level of bottle variation but I'm not sure what explains it. As I said I brought this to a party of heavy wine drinkers, but not quality wine drinkers. I noted when I left there was 3/4 of a bottle left! So no one there enjoyed it either. I had a hard time having three sips of it myself...
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