12/12/23, 1:35 AM - Look forward to reading your notes
9/5/23, 4:24 AM - I no, I was hoping for it to have a bit longer future than that. Thanks for sharing.
1/21/23, 1:12 PM - This review is spot on, the only thing I would add/highlight is the sapidity of this wine, salivation warning.
1/18/23, 5:44 PM - Hi,Had this one quite a few times closer to release and one recently (not showing much at all). I would bet on a closed phase and that it will come around again with time.
11/7/22, 1:30 AM - Have yet to open a 2020, but sounds like it showed well! Personally I have not seen any sign of inconsistency over the years when it comes to Sandri's wines, however they might require time to breath. Usually at its best from the second day open and onward with more complexity and depth. Have observed this for both the Langhe Nebbiolo as well as the Dolcetto.
1/11/23, 1:12 AM - Similia, it is just a matter of having enough bottles open at the same time :-D
12/30/22, 3:26 AM - Didn’t pop any of mine so far but could imagine that the wine sooner or later start closing down with evolution of the wine. I am not sure the licorice will fade though, very common note among Barbaresco/Barolo wines. Warmer years like 2017 are perhaps more likely to be more riper fruit forward and nice you liked that one.
12/12/22, 10:31 PM - I think we were unlucky and had a bad bottle… Opened a bottle two months a go, was in good shape though would have benefit from more bottle aging.
12/1/22, 1:58 AM - Thanks for the notes. A miss or good?
12/2/22, 1:59 AM - Got it, makes sense (was what I thought). Cool that you got to try the 2019 already and can imagine it being quite a step up :)
11/10/22, 12:51 AM - Did you try it on the second night or decant it? Probably would not help in case of a dumb phase but remember that the last bottle I had (and this was some time ago) benefitted a lot from air time and really grew in depth and complexity.
11/15/22, 4:18 AM - Yeah, that or hold off for a year or two if it's in a mute phase... Lets see, I should have one bottle somewhere around in the cellar - whenever I find it I'll put in in rotation to see how it's doing.
10/16/22, 12:33 PM - I think you are right with it being in a closed phased. The bottles I had shortly after release were lovely, and the last bottle I popped a month ago or so, was closed as well. The bottle didn't feel like it pasted is peak by being tired or anything like that. Cheers, Mikael
10/16/22, 1:11 PM - Have faith... I would be surprised if it won't come around, knock on wood.
5/2/22, 2:29 PM - I think he doesn’t mean ex cellar, there are still retailers who offer the wines with their normal mark ups (that’s the Eur58). It’s also true that the wines are heavily allocated - at least in my experience, and in most cases offered to loyal customers who just continued buying the wines. If your retailer isn’t getting the wines on the secondary market, then you know how much they care about you as a customer.
4/4/22, 2:52 PM - Hi Ubercuvee, I tried a bottle a bit more than a year ago. It was very open at that moment, no rough tannins and remember thinking that it might be a very approachable vintage. From the sound of your note I reckon it shut down. I had some concerns about the fruit ripeness (even some cooked fruits) but with Nebbiolo transformations you never known - started to read notes from others about 2017 bottles with the fruit profile seeming to have evolved to more fresher notes. Lets see where they head in the coming years.
3/28/22, 3:39 AM - You don't have to worry about the color, it's just nebbiolo it can brick very early but does affect the age-ability. Did you let it breath? Nebbiolo can require time. With air it can start to build up, gain weight, fresh fruit notes can start to show, etc.
3/14/22, 2:30 PM - Keeping fingers crossed that it the wines has closed down, the 2 bottles I have had were opened quite short after release. Drank very good and thought they showed some quite serious character. Based on your notes I'll keep my remaining 2 bottles for another 3-4 years hopping they started to come around...
3/17/22, 2:27 PM - Hi guys, I have two in my cellar. Will pop one for the team in about 2-3 years and let you know how things are looking :)
2/1/22, 12:56 AM - Nice notes! If you have a few bottles and the possibility then I really recommend to leave a bottle or two until the 10-15 year mark. Gains plenty in complexity. In case truffles is your thing, then that's a terrific match.
1/6/22, 11:51 PM - Thanks for posting Brian. based on your note I might pop one of my few bottles in near future, sounds like it is in a good spot. Did you decant as well or only open (and I guess, a small pour)?
1/7/22, 6:19 AM - thanks and cheers
1/6/22, 11:56 PM - Have faith, it will come around I am sure. Guess I caught it before it closed down (based on your note), was drinking really well. made a note to put away for another 1-2 years till I open one of my two remaining bottles.
1/4/22, 1:45 PM - Sorry to hear about another one Vinogan - Thanks for your remark and I will not buy from them in the future. When circumstances allows and if you every happen to pass by Amsterdam I'd be more than happy to share one of my bottles bought elsewhere.
12/25/21, 10:24 AM - Had this a month or so. I did grow with time/air and started to come around. Yet not the most complex vintage though my bottle was drinking well.
1/2/22, 6:58 AM - Nice Stet!I been doing exactly the same thing, contemplating about the wines enjoyed in 2021. One of few resolutions will be to make more public postings (been bad with that this year though I made plenty of private notes). Best wishes for 2022, and hope many more great bottles!
12/25/21, 10:21 AM - Happy Christmas!I had this a while back and drank it over a few days. Day two-three there was hardly any notion of barbera (first day more of barbera).
12/14/21, 9:42 AM - Thanks for the note. Have similar experiences like you with other vintages as well. They seem to need some years to come together.
10/13/21, 2:40 AM - Storage provenance with the vendor is key... sorry to hear and thanks for helping everyone else to avoid them. Did you contact them to see if they would replace?
9/27/21, 10:11 PM - Was about a year ago I had a bottle of this. Drank it over 2-3 nights and recall it starting to gaining depth and complexity from the second night. Maybe it moved on with time, or bottle variation but thought of it as anything but just an entry wine. Cheers
9/25/21, 2:27 PM - Almost like you been to my cellar ;) Saw the Stein note as well. Have a few bottles of this one (and 2013), did not open any of them yet. Thanks for your notes, had higher hopes than they suggest. Will hold on to the hope that it needs more time/air for a bit longer but does not sound like that will help. Also not a fan of engineered wines...
9/11/21, 9:02 AM - Thanks for sharing and I’m very glad to hear about the TC - have one to in line for tasting.
9/5/21, 12:02 PM - Might be more of a vintage thing. Have found 2015 to be very approachable in the best sense. Drinking really well and easy to enjoy, with many very balanced and rather elegant wines. More so that many expect from a warmer vintage.
8/26/21, 2:12 PM - Is 83 correct? Just had this bottle myself (didn't get around to post a note yet). First night it was a bit heavier, however day 2 and 3 it was drinking really well. I'm not very experienced with Burgundy (had a few here and there) but anything with a pleasant finish lasting longer than a minute deserves at very least around the 90 level :) Could be bottle variation but I was honestly very positively surprised with the length and texture for a bourgogne rouge.
8/28/21, 3:35 AM - Hope it didn’t come across as criticism, not the intention. Hear you using a perhaps stricter scale then myself. A lot of factors influencing the experience while drinking. Hope mine was not a one off bottle since we both have a few left. Hope the other bottle you opened was a treat! Cheers,M
7/25/21, 3:14 AM - Have you had one more recently? Would love to hear if any thoughts about how it has developed since. Cheers, Mikael
6/23/21, 3:55 AM - Tack for kommentaren. Later som vinet ar inne i en stangd fas, vantar 2-3 innan jag ger min flaska ett forsok.
6/15/21, 3:45 AM - Thanks for the note! I think you are right with the wine being closed. The the few 2013s opened so far are in general quite closed, believe at least a few more years of rest before this one starts coming around with complexity and hopefully some firework.
6/15/21, 2:23 PM - Indeed, from the sound of your note and what I tasted 13 seems to be closed and some more years will probably show a more complex wine. Didn't try the Oddero 13 yet though... 2015 on the otherhand was quite open and drinking really well last time I tried it. Cheers, Mikael
5/22/21, 7:50 AM - A pretty low score, anything else you could share? Cheers
5/26/21, 1:26 AM - Thanks, much appreciated! Didn't pop any of mine yet. Will keep my hands off and hope things changes for the better.
4/10/21, 11:18 AM - Was it that bad? Didn’t open mine yet but had quite high hopes.
4/10/21, 11:53 AM - Thanks for the note and additional remarks!
3/20/21, 1:15 PM - Thanks for the note! Sounds like a closed phase started, was open and fringing really well a bit more than 6 months ago.
2/10/21, 8:49 AM - Thanks for the tasting notes, still waiting for mine to arrive. Perhaps the addition of barbera to the nebbiolo as you mentioned gave it a lighter less tannic impression. Looking forward to taste myself!
2/12/21, 5:34 PM - You picked up quite nicely that something was a bit out of the ordinary for a nebbiolo. Don’t know the percentage but from your notes my guess is for a significant share rather than a few percent, quite a bit of the barbera coming through. Cheers!
12/11/20, 5:59 AM - thanks for posting! Do you mean hold as the wine needs more time? Did you decant or or a pnp? Cheers, Mikael
12/11/20, 6:31 PM - Thanks for clarifying. Don’t have that much experience with Foradori wines and teroldego but by chance I got my hands on a few bottles from 2005 and 2002 a year or two ago. Didn’t know what to expect but both were lively, drinking great and still a good amount of fruit. Just to say that if you have more bottles, there’s a chance they might come around. Could be that the wines are going through a difficult phase, fingers crossed!
12/6/20, 8:03 PM - Slavonian perhaps?
12/6/20, 5:40 AM - Interesting experiment and to add to it, I’m quite sure that each bottle developed slightly diffrent as well so if you pooped two one the same night they would not be identical. What makes wine special to all other alcoholic beverages.
11/22/20, 2:14 PM - Thanks for the note, have one remaining and had thoughts about the urgency (or not) to pop it.
11/14/20, 11:28 PM - That’s odd, the wine is aged in used Slavonian barrels. Had this and several other vintages (never any oak imprint on this wine), maybe the tannins rather than oak? As the wine is high in tannins I have experienced incomparably with some food - anything sweet left on the palette seriously clashes with the tannins. Turns very harsh and the wines complexity is no where to be seen after that, better to start fresh with a protein match the next day. Drank a 2012 about a month ago and thought it was in a great spot with protein (drank it over 3 days).
11/16/20, 3:04 PM - Definitely agree that sensitivity vary by person and I am not a fan of intrusive oak influence myself as well. Not hardcore against, if well integrated and balanced, I can still enjoy though. Reason I mentioned I found it odd was that you as well as the company found it way too oaky, rather than an individual impression. Why? Because most of the barrels are older (I mean like old - visited Milos about 5 years ago) neutral larger Slavonian barrels, with perhaps a barrel or two phased as/when needed. However they never use new barrels. I guess the only thing more neutral with less oak imprint would be inox, concrete, or something like that. Hence the suggestion that perhaps something such as tannins with food paring clashing badly. Think this mystery will go down the history books as unsolved :) Take care and cheers!
10/3/20, 1:01 PM - O no, I have a few cellared but not opened yet... if I understood then it seems the cork might be the issue? Where did you buy it?
10/6/20, 3:13 PM - Appreciate the reply and hope some of the remaining bottles show's better! Maybe leave to see if they come to life later on. Once I open I bottle I'll let you know
1/20/20, 1:34 PM - Thanks chatters, really appreciate your suggestion as well! Cheers, Mikael
2/1/20, 2:46 PM - Hi ptaylor2112, Keep the bottle in kitchen on the counter away from light, so basically room temperature with cork as only closure. Thanks but had several other bottles opened and disappearing in good to fast phase :) After keeping the Senjac bottle for the first five days and it started to get better (disappointed with it the first three leaving it there), I got curious - If it managed to stay alive that long, which normally only high quality bottles does in my experience, lets see what happens... Was also away for a week as well, and night 14 I killed the last 1/3 of the bottle - irresistible ;)
1/23/20, 1:12 PM - Cracked open the 2015 a few weeks back. The first 3-5 days I was not sure what to make out of the wine, far below expectations and frankly not impressive. In summary (you can read the comment if you like for more details), it took the wine 14 days(!) before I started really seeing what it was made of and can say that it really gained in complexity. If 2016 is anything like the 2015 I can understand your view, however perhaps with more time... At least I hope so having some in my cellar... Cheers, Mikael
1/23/20, 2:18 PM - Hope you enjoy it better :) You are right, could be so many factors playing and I am not much experience with Bordeaux wines, but really struck me as quite odd with the wine starting to show good two weeks later. Most wines give up and are out after a few days... Glad I was in an experimental mood having a few bottles open (and not poring this one out the sink :)...). Cheers Craig!
10/21/19, 2:09 PM - sounds like a great trip and without doubt a fantastic wine :)
6/18/19, 3:48 PM - Agree with the wines needing time, had a 2013 a while back - beautiful after breathing, started to show really well from the second day onwards.
12/2/18, 1:23 AM - Agree with regular Pinot Noir being terrific value. For Liaison I am personally giving them a bit more time to see how they develop. Just my feeling but think more layers and depth will show. Cheers,M
9/5/18, 2:51 PM - Thanks for the helpful review! How long time would/will you put it away before popping the next bottle?
9/9/18, 2:58 PM - much appreciated - thanks and cheers!
6/18/18, 5:03 AM - tried any lately (worth a try)?
5/5/18, 1:24 AM - Have experienced quite some bottle variations (from really good to what you had)...
5/9/18, 4:45 AM - My assumption as well, and a shame - good wine deserves better...
10/18/17, 11:01 AM - Tack för alla hjälpsamma omdömen! Have come across strawberry notes in quite a few Nebbiolo wines both from Piemonte and Valtellina. Cheers!
10/29/17, 12:59 AM - Cheers!
10/6/17, 3:17 PM - Bad streak, feeling with you.
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