2/15/24, 10:33 PM - I appreciate this review because we have a magnum of the 2012 (and 2013) that we’re wrestling with when to open. To your point re: needing lots of air time I would also add more aging, particularly for your 5L bottle. As you probably know, they age more slowly in the larger formats. A fellow Cellar Tracker recently posted a helpful suggestion that Ch. Montelena specifically often requires extra aging for optimally drinking (although of course it’s up to the drinker’s personal taste). I plan on holding off opening for a while - and then plenty of air!
2/12/24, 9:24 PM - Thanks for catching the typo. Meant to mark it as 91, not 81. Fixing now. 852 - are you in HK like me?
2/10/24, 6:30 AM - I appreciate your very good review. I tried a 2014 Royal St Robert and was blown away. Very reminiscent of an aged DRC: supple, lithe and still full of energy. I think this 2021 vintage that I just tasted as quite a few years of aging potential. I’m fortunate to have some on hand and I’m keeping one more on hand and the rest will go deep in the cellar. That said, no doubt many will find them pleasing to drink now with the right food, especially after a decant. Enjoy!
2/7/24, 6:38 AM - I’m drinking this vintage now and reading your notes/comments and I’m right there with you! Great wine that holds its own with (or rises above) everything else at the table.
1/17/24, 1:53 AM - Good for you. I would do the same!
1/15/24, 10:35 PM - Seems young for a Corton?
1/16/24, 12:08 AM - Nor would I!!
1/11/24, 1:17 AM - I had similar thoughts. It really exceeded my expectations.
1/11/24, 1:16 AM - Hahaha! Well played indeed!
1/9/24, 3:48 PM - Happy New Year to you, too, Julian! Let me know if you make it to HK this year!
1/9/24, 3:47 PM - Awesome tasting note, as usual. Thank you!
6/26/23, 5:17 PM - Thanks for correcting me, I think you’re 100% right I was thinking brett. Full disclosure I did very poorly in organic chemistry!I really enjoy this wine I think it’s excellent key PR. In fact, I would’ve paid more… The question I have now: Is it it the winemaker’s intention to allow a small amount of controlled brett, or was this an accident? It’s a controversial subject as to whether brett lends itself as a positive or is in fact a strict negative. I noticed another CT review for the same vintage called out a barnyard aroma and so it would appear I’m not the only one to notice. Happy for any thoughts.
6/27/23, 9:45 AM - I like it too. You have a new fan stern owl!
12/31/23, 2:26 AM - Rubanski, thanks for your comment and I agree that when controlled (as it is here) it is an enjoyable quality for me. I hope to taste more.Happy New Year!Doug
12/13/23, 12:53 AM - Nice. The intensity is shining through my Google Traslate app. 👍
12/15/23, 5:40 PM - No worries I got you!
11/23/23, 8:41 AM - Hi DQ. You’re right that this is a young babe. W what a 2014 Littorai earlier in the evening that was more suited in terms of maturity (and paired amazingly well with the cranberry sauce!). I’ve yet to have a Spottswoode at its peak, although I have a number of 2013’s in the cellar for the future. Until then plenty of other wines to drink!Happy Thanksgiving!
11/7/23, 1:01 AM - Great review. Sounds like they were all winners!
6/17/23, 6:35 PM - Wine guy, who are some Cali producers still old school?
11/6/23, 12:45 AM - Hi Wine Guy,Follow up question on old school vs new school Napa Bordeaux blends… I had understood old school characteristics include less intense oak treatment, less extracted juice, perhaps less alcohol, more retrained. I think Dominus seems to represent this. Thoughts? That being said, I thought Caymus was old school too and it doesn’t fit any of these definitions. Meanwhile, new school would be generally the opposite. There’s are more new school than old school it would seem to me. Frankly, I had put Insignia into this camp although you put it into the old school camp. I truly don’t know hence the questions…I certainly don’t mean to pigeonhole any / all wines. Rather, just trying to get a feel for these loose definitions to help me think things through.
11/1/23, 9:53 AM - I absolutely loved this wine. One of the hallmarks to me (apart from a subtle vibrancy) is the evolution in the glass. The best of these wines are ever changing, granted it often takes some time to begin. Good things come to those who wait.
10/25/23, 3:50 AM - Thanks for these helpful reviews guys. I bought the 1999 at auction and LOVED IT. May I know what price you buys these 2016’s at? I’m looking at one opportunity now.
10/22/23, 4:51 PM - Well that’s super helpful! Thanks!
10/23/23, 8:38 AM - Thank for that. I check but looks like I missed it. Will keep an eye out for it.
10/22/23, 7:40 PM - Thanks Ray T. Comparison tastings are my new jam. Horizontal, vertical, varietal, you name it. Not always easy to pull off, not the least of which because you need more people, but I find it all the more enjoyable.
10/22/23, 7:42 PM - Old Wines, thanks for the education. Indeed I found the Insignia to be monolithic (linear in my words). Thanks to you, I now know why. 100% new oak seemingly and understandably makes a significant impact, particularly for young wines. This is a good time to point out the 2016 remains a young vintage. All of these assessments can and probably will change with time and integration.
10/23/23, 4:36 AM - Hi RayT and Old wines, With my new comparative tasting in mind, can you recommend any popular / accessible old-school traditional cabs names vs modern cabs names so that I can taste them side-by-side? That was my exact intent with the Foreman versus Beringer private reserve, and seemingly it was the result of this Dominus versus Insignia although that wasn’t quite as intentional. Other ideas I’m looking for are 100% new oak versus 0% new oak, etc.
10/22/23, 5:48 PM - Thanks for your incredible review. Helped me to order in real time at Daniel, NYC saving me a great deal compared to the Bordeaux’s that take up much of the half bottle menu. Sent it straight to the decanter on your advice and wish it spent more time there (can’t say I wasn’t forewarned).
10/21/23, 4:31 PM - Great posts here. Thanks for sharing!I opened a bottle of the BPR ‘12 vintage in July (see CT note) and found it overly extracted and very alcoholic for my liking (we drank it side by side with a Forman which may have also been a factor). We slowed ox’ed it over 2 days and I cannot say that it improved for me. I was surprised that this wine was so rich 11 years on and wonder if more time will calm it. I have 12+ bottles left so hoping for then best. One thing I’ve learned is the more I drink / learn (drinking is learning!), the more my palate is changing.
10/22/23, 5:44 PM - Thanks SF. I’m fortunate to live in a city (Hong Kong) that is a nexus of Int’l wine - both as a result of a famously huge business trade focusing on mainly French wine and also (and more interestingly I think) because of an intl expat community that pulls on their home wines and home experiences. Add to that some wonderful travel with said expat friends and I’m one lucky oenophile. Meanwhile I’ve benefitted immensely from your reviews and other CT “friends.” Pls keep these excellent notes coming. I read them all with great appreciation.
10/22/23, 3:23 PM - I find your review spot on.
10/17/23, 6:49 PM - Thanks WineGuy. I keep bumping into you here on CT. I guess we have similar tastes!
10/20/23, 10:18 PM - This is fascinating. Thanks so much for sharing the insights built on what sounds like a wealth of experience. Lucky to get this kind of intel on CT from passionate oenophiles. For sure I will try this. 🙏
10/19/23, 6:15 AM - It happens - fortunately for me not often. Looking forward to trying again in the future.
10/19/23, 4:17 AM - Mitzvah, your review has significantly turned up the Sirens’ volume for this wine! I’m practically drooling!
9/16/23, 11:09 AM - Hi Finlero. Thanks for your comment. We visited Montalcino for a week last year and I fell hard. Probably my favorite Italian appellation (Barolo / Barbaresco may one day compete but I don’t know those regions as well yet). What are your favorite producers?
9/16/23, 9:43 PM - Wow - super helpful. Thanks so much. You have a new fan!I actually have a 2004 Castelgiocondo Riserva that I think to try next. Also have some 98 & 99 Pieve Santa Restitutas that I bought in auction here in Asia for a steal bc local market totally overlooks brunello. Indeed, the aged brunello are best. Interesting to learn about the dumb phase I think I’ve experienced that, unfortunately. Will be on the lookout for the other houses you mention. Thanks again.
8/9/23, 2:10 AM - I have been thinking for some time that the 2010 Tondonia reserva probably has the most comments / tasting notes of all the wines in my collection. I’ve tried it once in a restaurant and found it was way too young for me. My case remains sealed. Meanwhile, good rec for the Bosconia and I will look for some.
7/26/23, 4:06 PM - I discovered these guys when my father in law brought home their 2014 Pinot and it blew me away. Top quality, top echelon burgundy if you ask me. Try a mature bottle and see what you think. I think these guys are going some place fast. Cheers.
7/24/23, 11:20 AM - This is a reassuring note. Thanks!
7/24/23, 11:21 AM - This is a reassuring note. Thanks!
7/17/23, 1:49 PM - Hi sternowl. I tasted this same wine 6 months ago and had very similar comments. It’s a terrific wine and a nice score for me at auction. Only problem is that I have just 1 bottle left after sharing with different friends / tasting groups (but I was happy to do so)!
7/12/23, 5:57 PM - Found this one week later in the back of the fridge with a quarter bottle left under cork (not pumped). Still going strong. I do feel this wine has great potential. And having just tasted a 2021 Ridge estate Chardonnay that someone commented was Burgundian, I think this wine (the Raen) is the far better play.
7/11/23, 3:28 PM - What do we think about aging here?
7/11/23, 3:25 PM - Super helpful people 🙏
3/29/23, 7:31 AM - My own $.02 is that I have not yet had luck with Ponte Canet. They’ve all been shut down especially the 2010 (wasn’t that a Parker 100?) and also a recent 2000. Still waiting for them to open up… Meanwhile, I have had older Bordeaux that still retain plenty of primary fruit, such as a recently tasted 2000 Lynch Bages. Like another comment mentioned, we can use the power of CT to help us find the gems (and pass on the PT’s). 🤣
3/29/23, 3:12 PM - This is such a great thread! Wish I could star peoples comments to come back to them in the future. Not the least because now I have PC vintage recommendations.Great comment by Mark about semantics. And I for one never knew bottles could go through so many different phases. And that’s after taking a level 3 wine class! There’s so much education to be gained here. Keep it up CT!
6/24/23, 7:26 PM - The latest comment led me to re-read the entire thread. What a great thread…!
6/10/23, 6:07 AM - Hi DQ. Thanks for the note. I think that’s exactly what happened. Therefore, I wanted to make a note so that the next time I have the opportunity to taste this vintage, I plan to take it seriously!
6/8/23, 8:36 AM - Thanks for your comment. Yeah I actually don’t know how she arrived at this recommendation. She was very much on point with the other 4 wines we had. Nothing lost - it was enjoyable nonetheless.
6/6/23, 2:29 AM - Funny, I had the same experience. I even wrote a post script to my tasting notes on how much the alcohol disturbed me.
5/29/23, 5:12 PM - Exact same experience (and better than I could have observed/written).
5/29/23, 4:34 PM - Thanks from your comment. Bummer your wine was corked, particularly given how uncommon these wines are! Yes, I definitely don’t score off wines because to me it doesn’t represent the wine as intended and also it could just as easily have been due to poor storage which def wasn’t intended and unfair to hold against the wine. In terms of the nail polish aroma, I coincidentally recently encountered it again with a 1999 Pieve Santa Restitua in the second hour of opening and even more strongly on the second night. I wonder if in both cases it had to with oxidation: whether a natural result of aging or maybe during the wine making process I would not know. Strange to me that in both cases it was a Brunello (the style and grape not really being known for this particularly like fault like Amarone might be). Only way to figure this one out is to keep tasting!
5/15/23, 11:55 PM - I guess now we know why a nice decanter costs $200!
4/18/23, 6:16 AM - Thanks for this. Have you tried 2007 (I have some but haven’t tried yet)?
4/12/23, 7:31 AM - Yes exactly! Cannot believe the price!
4/10/23, 4:55 PM - I had a similar experience recently with a Realm Bard and was totally disappointed. There are people whose tasting notes I totally trust here on CT that raved about this wine earlier. Similarly, there were rave reviews about Ch. Pontes Canet vintages that I later found found totally void of character. Assuming their reviews were credible (and I do), I take this as proof positive that there are phases the wine passes through that alter its drinkability. These “dumb phase” or “sleeping phase” certainly appears to be one of these. Interestingly, after they pass through this phase they often drink quite nicely. I would love to know about the science of this evolution but I certainly believe it exists. Better luck next time!
4/9/23, 5:09 PM - We had the same thoughts on the 2019 and in fact it’s what turned me into Cote Rotie in general. Lots to learn now…
4/9/23, 4:49 PM - My kind of Olive Garden party!
4/9/23, 8:46 AM - I’m no expert in aging but two things I can tell you for certain are that 1) the tannins are fully integrated and 2) it is drinking wonderfully. If you have a case I would crack one open soon and decide for yourself. You may find that the rest follow quickly if only because they are so good. I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts after you try one. Doug
4/3/23, 8:34 AM - Love the initial tasting note and thread that continued the conversation. Thank you!
4/2/23, 2:02 AM - US $35 in Hong Kong 😀
3/31/23, 7:29 PM - Helpful and timely review. In your judgement, do you think time will help?
3/26/23, 4:40 PM - Thanks for your comments Canoe and Angel. Glad it’s not just me. It will be interesting to see how this wine develops. I have a case on order for near term drinking but I don’t think I’m going to order any more for long term cellaring at this time. Instead, I am going to undertake a search for some of the higher end Schrader’s that I have yet to try.
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