1/17/23, 8:19 PM - Hard to pick a winner between those two. Different in style, but both so good! I've thought about it for years!
6/12/22, 8:53 PM - My second of this wine, this time with 2.5 years of age on it. I wasn’t feeling it the first time, but this go around is really nice. Less angular and sharp and more cohesive and balanced. Really good this time. … How far can it age? I see you liked it at 5 years!
7/28/22, 5:30 PM - Regardless of what Hebrart makes, it seems to consistently impress, especially at the price point. I can't think of a house that nails all three or four bottlings they make, which makes me excited for his Special Clubs I am sitting on :) ... Cheers!
4/17/22, 5:35 AM - Bummer on the corked bottle. Not easy to find these. … Question on a pairing, as I plan to try my first tonight. Will this wine hold up against a rack of lamb that has been grilled? Thx Kevin.
3/14/22, 6:43 PM - I agree 100%. To not put a disgorgement date on a bottle that retails for almost $100 is pretty annoying.
1/16/22, 11:50 AM - So would you buy it or pass? Did the producer get on your to-buy list?
1/18/22, 8:18 PM - Thomas Liquor has mags of it, but that's a big commitment for something I've never tasted. Any idea if your bottle was a local buy?
1/15/22, 8:13 AM - Lol. Hebrart is probably my favorite winemaker and I STARE at the new label thinking “wtf. Why?” … ugh
1/15/22, 8:05 AM - Have you had any other vintages of this from the house? I’m wondering if age does them justice!? I had the 13’ over the holiday and it was elegant. I was thinking it would have more “power”.
1/1/22, 9:20 AM - I've been waiting for this wine to roll out with the 2018 base in it, so thank you for the TN. ... From the press, it sounds like the 18' harvest was an impressive crop for Champagne. If you've had Bereche previous base vintages, is this one superior?
1/2/22, 7:45 AM - Well happy drinking and Happy New Year!
12/29/21, 7:47 AM - The TN I’ve been waiting for! How much better is it out of mag versus 750? Is it just the bubbles content, or all around experience is better?
11/13/21, 7:58 AM - Hi. When you say “shows a bit hot”, you are referring to the smell of alcohol on the nose?
11/14/21, 6:37 AM - Got it. Thanks for the clarification. Still learning.
12/15/21, 9:52 AM - Jake, well regardless, your description is spot on for the F Cotat bottle. I have a couple cases of his rose and that alcohol on the nose and throat is heavily pronounced. My oldest bottle is the 18’ and it’s definitely out of balance and not ready. My guess is at about 5 years from vintage where I start to think about these as maybe being ready. They have a slight tobacco aroma to me, and I love the complexity of them, but I think they need a good slumber!
12/5/21, 5:21 AM - I’ve been waiting to see a comment regarding this wine in magnum versus 750. Can you elaborate on the differences? Is it fresher and do you think they will age well?
9/3/20, 10:10 PM - Thanks for the TN. I have some of these and am curious where they are at. Which between the 12' and 13' of this wine do you think will age longer? Which is the better wine in the end? Thx!
9/5/20, 7:01 PM - Okay. ... These age well don’t they for a Rose?
11/29/21, 10:53 PM - @RolfT, no kidding. Wow, that’s impressive. Do you attribute it to high quality fruit or is it the wine making? How many years do you think it will go for then?
1/27/20, 10:05 PM - Do you have any of the 2012 in your cellar?
1/28/20, 3:27 PM - My thoughts on this wine are that it's only maybe worth it's tariff and a good value if it's a good vintage year. I think they maybe make it in years they shouldn't, and makes it a bit inconsistent. That's only a hunch, as I haven't tried one of mine yet.
3/28/20, 6:43 PM - Which wine were you gentlemen sipping on the the LR Champ or the LR A Valley?
3/29/20, 6:18 AM - Noted. Thanks!You prefer the AV rose over the AV Brut?
3/29/20, 6:58 PM - I will have to give them a try soon. I will start with the rose as fun may be needed soon to alleviate the boredom.Both would be amazing places to visit. I hope you get there. I love Roederer pushing the limits with organic and biodynamic farming in Champagne. I'm excited to try one of these AV products to see how the geography/technique stacks up against each other.
11/22/21, 1:12 PM - Craig, any experience with aging the Roederer AV brut? I like your idea and suggestion of these for the holidays. I learned the hard way last year and brought good bottles last year! You are 100% right.
11/22/21, 7:46 PM - Makes sense all the way around. Roederer is such a skilled house and to be doing it on two different continents is impressive. They really are quite the value. Thank you for the information and Happy Holidays to you too!
11/12/21, 7:55 PM - There is no oak used on this wine. The house ferments 100% in stainless steel. In fact, they were the first house to transition from barrels into stainless. I believe it was in the 60’s! Cheers!
10/17/21, 7:34 AM - I’m waiting on these until I drink more Champagne and can better appreciate them. Is the CT drink window solid on these? Will they last until 2034?
10/19/21, 7:23 PM - I’m sitting on 9 with no plan. I’ve only had one bottle of Taittinger, which was the NV Brut with probably 5 years of age on it. That bottle was fantastic, so I figured Comtes must be unreal and went long. At the time, it was undervalued too ($125) compared to other Tete bottles. I like your idea of trying it up against something else at that level too. That would be a good learning experience. Same vintage or not necessarily?
10/20/21, 7:14 PM - Got it. I appreciate the info and cheers!
10/5/21, 7:31 PM - Was it a recent disgorgement or a bottle laid down for awhile?
10/7/21, 7:29 PM - I, and I’m sure the community, appreciate that. I’ve only had this once, but it was a nice wine. I drank it too young as it had the 16’ base in it (of which I’m not a fan) and I was curious on the style. From what I hear, these are rocking at 10 years and age really well. I’m waiting for the 2018 base rendition of this wine. From what I’ve read, the 2018 Champagne harvest was a sight to behold. If it shapes up, it’s a wine to go long on especially at its price (atleast in the US). You might have had an 18’ base!
10/3/21, 3:11 PM - Do you find much difference in the wine between the size formats (750 vs 1.5L) with this wine?
9/2/21, 8:12 PM - 😞
9/2/21, 8:03 PM - Boy I got a good one of these last month. It had base from 2012 and sure was nice. It was ready and willing to overtake LP. It lost a bit of its effervescence but it sure was elegant!
8/31/21, 7:07 AM - Hebrart is such an underrated winemaker and one of the most talented in all of Champagne. I am a huge fan of his wines and am eagerly waiting to try his Special Clubs. You would like his Rose if you liked this wine. It’s the same wine but with about 5% red dropped in.
7/10/21, 8:36 PM - I’m with you on these. Such a nice bottle for the price. Do you think there’s a NV grower bottle that beats these?
8/28/21, 4:03 PM - I grabbed a magnum of this and it’s a 2020 disgorgement. When would you advise to drink it window wise? No experience yet the the magnum format and aging. Thx.
8/28/21, 10:34 PM - Sounds a bit how the 750s go more or less, which makes sense due to the older reserve wines in the blend. Different story then on vintage mags? Thx!
8/29/21, 10:00 AM - Got it. As always, I appreciate the knowledge!
8/28/21, 3:57 PM - Recent disgorgement or cellared?
8/28/21, 10:39 PM - I see you work for Skurnik. What do you favor over this? I’m a huge fan of Hebrart.
8/27/21, 8:08 PM - I’m with you 100% on Hebrart. Most underrated wine maker in Champagne. Everything he touches is great. I often find my self wondering what he could accomplish with the resources the large house have. Even so, I think he’s in the top 3 in Champagne.
8/16/21, 7:18 AM - I have yet to try this out of magnum, so I must ask, do you find it to be better wine than what you find in the 750 or just double the quantity? Also, do you age the mags? Thx!
8/17/21, 7:56 PM - Well good to know. I’ve had similar experiences on the 750s. The 375 splits I’ve bought were not good. So maybe the bigger you go with B.S., the more consistent they get! Thanks!
8/14/21, 9:28 AM - This was my experience spot on. I bought 6 and was not quite sure about these. It just needs time? How long would you say?
7/23/21, 6:40 AM - @oldwines… how much time would you recommend if you were going to just pull a cork and go the “slow-ox” route on a counter? I am going to gift one for a bday present. Thx!
7/23/21, 8:01 PM - Well, what if it was just poured into a pitcher and then back into the wine bottle? I’m gifting it to a family member and they aren’t going to have a decanter. I’m trying to get them into better quality wines and they only have glassware. I read your post about this wine needing air and I want them to enjoy it in it’s best possible showing. Thx!
7/24/21, 1:35 PM - Awesome, thank you. Your knowledge is appreciated ;)
7/24/21, 7:50 AM - @Burgundy Al, do you find any differences in quality in the NV Brut 750 versus 1.5L size? I’ve been reading about large format Champagne but have not had any. Thx.
7/10/21, 8:45 PM - Thanks for the sacrifice. How long do you think? Thx!
7/10/21, 8:14 PM - I find this wine highly variable and chalk it up to its base vintage (which they don’t print). In a warm base year vintage, it’s better. My first two were fantastic, last two about the same as your experience/perspective (@10XM). Others that come to mind to try …Marc Hebrart Rose, (Chardonnay based & benefits from time to soften and integrate). $60 retail but Envoyer runs a sale on it for like $40 I think. Paul Bara Rose, $65 by me and have heard great things but yet to try. A bit more red added (10%+) and it’s Bouzy Pinot fruit. Charles Heidsieck Rose, around $60, on sale $50. It’s done in 100% stainless steel with only 20% reserve wines, so base year is key on this one. Laurent Perrier Rose, 100% Pinot and 5 years on the lees. I’ve heard people age this for 10/20 years and it only gets better.
7/10/21, 7:42 PM - I just popped a cork on one of these with a December 2019 disgorgement. So not ready, and easily “years” to go. Zero nose on it too.
6/30/21, 8:30 AM - So the annual question persists, does it still beat the B.S. Rose!?
7/3/21, 9:02 PM - I see why you like these. I tried my first tonight. I believe it’s 2012 base. It’s quite nice! The residual aromas in the glass are quite frangrant once the wine is consumed from the glass and it’s sitting on the table, even more so than with wine in the glass. Does that indicate something? Happy Independence Day!
7/3/21, 8:57 PM - FYI, for some odd reason, they stamp the corks and use a code for this wine. The “letter” is first and indicated the “quarter” of the year. The two following “numbers” are the year of disgorgement, but they “invert” them. For example, my cork code tonight is B71EX. Meaning, it was disgorged in the second quarter of 2017. Way too tricky but hope that helps! Cheers!
6/30/21, 8:19 AM - How many more years do you think the 2008 will shine it’s brightest? I have yet to tap into mine. Thx!
6/6/21, 6:46 PM - While Hebrart is probably my favorite producer at this point, I agree with you 100% on the BdB. He is a master with Pinot, and I stick to that now.
6/6/21, 9:04 PM - My favorite is his NV Brut. It’s primarily Pinot, but it’s just so consistent, and an excellent QPR. ... The Rose is like the BdB with 6% red wine added in. I prefer like 10% red wine in my Rose but it’s a good bottle nevertheless. He also makes a “selection” bottle that’s a bit harder to find, but that sees 4 years on the lees. I buy that in magnums.
6/6/21, 9:58 PM - When I want a grower BdB, I now go with Pierre Peters.
3/12/20, 3:41 PM - Do you drink these only young or with age?
3/13/20, 8:04 PM - Do you think this is the best rose out there?
3/14/20, 7:07 PM - How many years does a Rose like this last before it falls off and begins a decline? 5 years?
6/3/21, 7:06 PM - @weezie ... Rocknroller knows far more than I ever will, but I will chime in with my opinion ... sushi or medium rare seared tuna. My .02!
5/30/21, 9:57 PM - You nailed it. 100% describes my last and previous experience with this wine. I just sought out some older mags in hopes to find that “previous” magic of this wine.
5/13/21, 9:37 PM - Did you decant it or PnP?
5/14/21, 7:12 AM - Appreciate it. ... how many more years before the decline begins? I have just one and am holding it but don’t want to wait too long.
5/14/21, 10:32 PM - Sounds like a great reason to pull a cork! ... I will find a reason to enjoy it soon then. Thank you very much for the guidance. I’m still trying to learn the drinking windows.
5/11/21, 7:06 AM - What would you say for a drinking window on this? You don’t see many TN on this one! Thx.
5/12/21, 6:57 AM - I appreciate it and look forward to the wine. Thank you and cheers!
5/3/21, 7:07 AM - Do you feel that Roederer NV and Charles NV are the two best NV wines from the big houses group?
5/4/21, 8:08 AM - Thanks for the answer. I’ve had Bollinger before and like that a lot too. I agree with you on the prices. Is Pol pretty constitent on the NV? I can never tell what is in the bottle/on the shelf. I wish they put disgorgement details like LR or CH.
4/29/21, 7:57 PM - Kevin, I have just one of these. To get the best out of it, drink up soon, or sit on it for awhile? Thx.
4/29/21, 8:48 PM - It's almost that season ;) You've got this scored right about what you've got the LP Rose I believe. Based upon the choice of the two, which would you take?
4/29/21, 5:41 AM - @TheWiz ... How much experience do you have with this LP Rose? I’m looking to pickup some, but am curious if this is a wine that does best with age on it? I know it’s done in 100% in stainless and is 85% (~) of vintage base and 15% (~) reserve wine. That technique and ratio makes me think it needs years of cellar age to gain complexity. True or no? Thx.
4/29/21, 5:14 PM - Wow. That’s some longevity from a NV bottle. Is that because it’s 100% Grand Cru fruit? What current year base are you guys on there? I’m in the US and it’s hard to get any disgorgement info. on these.
3/30/21, 8:25 PM - What do you think for drink windows on this wine? CT doesn’t list any and not finding much out there on this. Thx.
3/30/21, 8:23 PM - Great note and after reading it I jumped on the 3 they had at the store. I do not have any experience with this wine. What would you say for a drink window? Thx.
3/27/21, 8:17 PM - Kevin, I would like your opinion if possible ... I stumbled across two of these in a retail shop tonight. They were on the top shelf with high ceilings, so the warmest part of the store. I’m sure they have been there since release (so like 1 - 1.5 years?). I really wish they were in a case, and given the cost, left empty handed. They are in the gift boxes, so no risk of lightstrike. Would you have concerns about the storage temperature though? My intent would be to lay them down. Cheers and I hope you are drinking well ;)
1/4/21, 2:42 PM - How long would one of these in magnum go for? Just starting to read and learn Foillard. Thx.
2/22/21, 3:13 PM - I appreciate the note. ... Just pulled a cork on his village wine (17’) to gain some perspective. I have only had one other Cru Bojo so not much to go off. Hopefully I learn something. Cheers!
2/18/21, 1:51 PM - How many more years?
2/10/21, 8:40 PM - I’d like to know the answer to this too if somebody knows the answer!?
2/2/21, 10:59 AM - If I remember correctly, the magnums don’t have the disgorgement on them like the 750 bottles do (atleast when I bought my last few 6 months ago)... However, there’s a QR code on the back and if you open the camera, snap a picture of it, it will open a browser and take you to Peter’s website and tell you the year of the vintage wine.
2/4/21, 11:31 PM - Oh no worries. I do a lot of reading and just thought I would share. By me the current mags are 2016 and are def one of the best values out there. Cheers!
1/5/21, 8:07 PM - A) Happy New Year. B) Did it best LP Rose and move to #1 on your Rose list? C;)
1/18/21, 9:34 AM - Have you ever had this out of magnum?
1/18/21, 7:25 PM - Gotcha. Appreciate it.
1/17/21, 10:05 PM - How much time would you recommend to give it to open up? ... I’m going to try my first from this producer tomorrow. Thx!
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