2008 Soutiran Champagne Rosé de Saignée Brut

Community Tasting Notes (4) Avg Score: 89.9 points

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  3/29/2024 - ChDonath Likes this wine: 91 Points

  So checking on how this one developed after almost four years.
  
  Fairly clear is a much less clean cherry impact at first.
  But on the other hand side the wine is also more approachable.
  The slightly overdone oak note from some years ago is already less pronounced.
  
  Acidity surprisingly is quite active and more intense than last time (probably burried underneath the oak).
  
  On the other hand side rather simple at the moment with a long aftertaste though.
  
  Second day…
  
  Now mostly clean red currant, drinks more smoothly, acidity still well present.
  Some slighty floury apple extract at this phase as aftertaste.
  
  But drinks easily now...

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  9/17/2022 - Dovberg wrote: 88 Points

  Instead of writing a review on my own I would like to quote Forceberry's review here below since it covers exactly what I experienced from tonights bottle. My first try out of six bottles. Will keep my remaining five and see if it turns to the better.
  
  On day two the wine felt much deeper and complex with slighter bitterness. This will age good for sure.

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  2/4/2022 - forceberry wrote: 88 Points

  For some reason the front label does not have any designation on the vintage, but the back label tells this is 100% Pinot Noir from 2008. Bottled May 6th, 2009 and disgorged May 18th, 2020, after 11 years of aging sur lattes. 12,5% alcohol, dosage 6 g/l. Total production 8450 bottles.
  
  Deep, clear and slightly evolved rose hip red color with a brick-orange hue. Savory, somewhat phenolic and a bit earthy nose with dry aromas of wild strawberries, some cherries, light smoky tones, a little bit of white pepper, light meaty notes and a hint of nuttiness. The wine is dry, quite crisp and even somewhat robust on the palate with flavors of tart lingonberries, some meaty umami notes, a little bit of chalky minerality, light earthy tones, a hint of crunchy cranberry and a touch of sour cherry bitterness. The wine is rather high in acidity with a crisp and rather persistent mousse and even a tiny bit of tannic grip on the gums. The finish is dry, earthy and quite long with dry flavors of crunchy cranberries, a bit more pronounced sour cherry bitterness, some savory meaty tones, light autolytic notes of brioche or French bread, a hint of phenolic spice and a touch of tannic grip.
  
  A quite distinctive Rosé de Saignée with a rather broad-shouldered, muscular overall feel, but still surprisingly little fruit or complexity despite the 11 years of aging on the lees. This doesn't yet feel like a Pinot Noir red with bubbles, but this is definitely tougher wine than rosé Champagnes usually are. However, it feels like it could use a bit more depth and/or complexity, as the wine feels somewhat understated, earthy and lacking the depth and richness this kind of firm, structured wine would call for. A curiosity for sure, but falling a bit short in some departments. Good, but not great - perhaps more aging would help here?

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  11/7/2020 - ChDonath Likes this wine: 93 Points

  Disgorged january 2019 / 8450 bottles / 100% 2008 / 10 years on lees
  
  If you drink this now, you should bring some time to really let it open up.
  
  Drank this over 24hrs...
  
  When opening this bottle the first thing you notice is this totally unreal fat creamy sweet cherry bouquet this alone plays a big part in the score.
  Admittedly the first sip is totally in contrast to what the nose promises. Slightly flat and rather coarse bitter taste. Not nearly as acidic as expected from 2008.
  
  I approached it again after 14 hours and oh yes it developed nicely. The bouquet became a bit more precise but didnt lose anything of its fat impact.
  Now sweet cherries with cream, in between slightly sour blackcurrant and also plums in cognac.
  The smell of this one really impressed everyone at the table and after around 200 different champagnes this is not so easy anymore. For reference another bouquet orgasm is andre clouet dream vintage 2004.
  
  The palate also became much more coherent and opened up. Immediately more sweet fruit flavours on the tongue with some still rather mild acidity and only hints of phenolic bitterness.
  The mouthfeel is quite big and creamy, wonderful texture.
  
  So the only disadvantage is that it really needs a big glass and quite some time to be fully approachable. Its very impressive already but somehow a tiny bit more dosage at this stage would make it maybe more easy. The other thing is the slight bitterness. I am puzzled here since 2008 should be a very ripe vintage.
  
  Overall I think it will totally smoothen out with a few more years of bottle aging.
  On the other hand side I dont think it will be as long lived as other 2008 because the acidity feels really quite moderate here.

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