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| Drinking window: Drink between 2010 and 2017 (based on 31 user opinions) |
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| Community Tasting Notes (average 88.7 pts. and median of 89 pts. in 34 notes) - hiding notes with no text | | | Tasted by Bellissimo on 6/2/2015: Drank over 2 nights. This is one of those regions where the spouse and I differ. German Riesling is in my wheelhouse. I love the acids, complexity and (sometimes) sweetness. Best bang for the buck as far as I'm concerned.
This showed green apple, pear, lychee, peach and apricot all at play. Great acids, slight petrol but long finish. Just a hint of R.S. Picked up within the past year for $10 and felt like I was stealing. Only wished there were more. (2735 views) | | | Tasted by rocknroller on 5/4/2013 & rated 92 points: Medium dark gold color. Drank 1 glass over 20 minutes. This had really nice bright fruit, a mix of tropical and orchard fruit, with apple, pear, peach, citrus and subtle fusil, mineral. The palate displays consistent flavors along with beautiful balance. This was wonderfully elegant, lively, and very long on the finish. It was a pleasure to have another opportunity to share one of these excellent wines with Barbara. 92+pts. (3607 views) | | | Tasted by ELH on 3/10/2012 & rated 90 points: Still quite lovely but a hint of the down slope. (4324 views) | | | Tasted by maxmanx on 11/6/2011: Too sweet for me. Not my style. (5211 views) | | | Tasted by Ombibulous on 10/30/2011 & rated 84 points: Excellent value. Very drinkable wine, especially in the summertime. High good (84.5). (4999 views) | | | Tasted by CUTig1 on 3/19/2011 & rated 88 points: Some what sweeter than most Kabinetts. Very easy drinker. (3058 views) | | | Tasted by mcnfarmer on 8/23/2010 & rated 91 points: This is as refreshing as it gets! My close friend (former wine salesman for Winebow, Inc.) suggested trying this Riesling. We were able to pick up a multi case bargain at his NY City favorites store; enjoyed at my home in New Jersey. Very low alcohol content (approx. 8%) allows you to just pour and enjoy; fresh, light, lemony, sparkling; grassy;
Riesling lovers: ATTENTION! Try it! (3013 views) | | | Tasted by ksimback on 7/5/2010 & rated 87 points: Agree with a previous comment - this is a bit over the top sweet, particularly for a Kab, however I do think it is somewhat balanced with searing acidity, so it's not a one-dimensional sweet wine. Could use some time to let some of that sweetness mellow out a bit, otherwise I'd say this should drink like a dessert wine. (2417 views) | | | Tasted by Tyler_at_WWD on 6/7/2010 & rated 87 points: On the nose I detect a nice, faint petrol aroma, mixed with crisp stony minerals, some tart apple tones, and something like slightly green tropical fruit (probably closest to papaya.) Given a good spin in the glass, this wine blooms with rich, opulent petrol components, lemon curd, and the faintest touch of smoke.
I would call this wine just off dry, with a subtle sweetness that seems to come more from the fruit and honey flavors than from the actual sugar content. There is a delicate oily richness that plays off of some slightly creamy and decidedly petrol flavored components as well. I also detect a blend of pleasantly bitter floral tones that linger softly in the background and on the finish.
This wine is medium bodied, only slightly sweet, and quite rich and enjoyable. It has nice, soft acidity that is mild enough to give the wine more of a creamy, oily quality than the crispness that you’d often find in Kabinetts. That said, it is somewhat different from the norm, however, I like it quite a bit, and for the price I think this is a great entry point for people to explore another take on Riesling that they may not have tried before.
Source: What's Worth Drinking: Post #25: Pradikatswein: Exploring German Riesling ( http://whatsworthdrinking.com/2010/06/07/post-25-pradikatswein-exploring-german-riesling/ ) (2410 views) | | | Tasted by andrewstevenson.com on 5/20/2010 & rated 92 points: A superb bottle - textbook Mosel Kab. Great balance. (2667 views) | | | Tasted by Winebof on 4/8/2010 & rated 83 points: over the top sweet - not a trace of acidity or backbone (2713 views) | | | Tasted by Cellar429 on 10/18/2009 & rated 90 points: really enjoyable. Very good balance. Not too sweet. Apple at first then peach. A bit of perfume on the aftertaste, but very enjoyable. Would buy more. (3210 views) | | | Tasted by jsums on 6/25/2009 & rated 89 points: Light golden color. Nose: pineapple, apple, petrol, and orange blossom. Palate: sweet pear, honeysuckle, lime, petrol, orange peel, and slate. Solid length with excellent acidity. Lovely. (3431 views) | | | Tasted by isaacjamesbaker on 5/16/2009: lemons and apricots on the nose. sweet flowers, honey and golden pears on the palate with a nutty finish. (3451 views) | | | Tasted by french16 on 2/21/2009 & rated 89 points: Well made Kabinett. Off dry, mineral and exotic fruits with peach and apricot on the nose. Light body, enough acidity to support the sweetness, it stays light and lively. Finish is somewhat a little short though.
Nice wine for the money. (3689 views) | | | Tasted by ELH on 2/19/2009 & rated 92 points: Marvelous. Paired well with Vietnamese food. Wish I had bought more. (3675 views) | | | Tasted by eschwet on 2/13/2009 & rated 88 points: Pale straw color. High sweetness. Good balance otherwise. Ate with spicy pork quesadillas. Nice match. (not sure I liked more than Saarstein 2005 Qualitatswein we had last night though and almost 2x cost--$19/bottle if I remember) (3716 views) | | | Tasted by green-steve on 2/12/2009 & rated 88 points: Nice pale yellow; nose of stone fruits; peach, honey, a little spice on the palate; fair acidity, nice juicy finish. (3676 views) | | | Tasted by Todd French on 1/28/2009 & rated 92 points: Very nice off-dry Riesling - sweet minerality, apricots, clean and crisp (yet sweet) finish. Good acidity for now, but it won't last too long in the cellar. I'd gladly drink these in the near term. (3829 views) | | | Tasted by ELH on 1/16/2009 & rated 91 points: Lovely, luscious Kabinett. Peach, pear, citrus fragrance. Wonderful mouthfeel and finish. (3663 views) | | | Tasted by profiler54 on 1/3/2009 & rated 88 points: Very nice off dry riesling, slightly off balance lacking acidity but was a nice compliment to some spicy indian fare... (3727 views) | | | Tasted by THaas on 12/30/2008 & rated 88 points: Highly aromatic notes of flinty peach. Bountiful flavors of peach, pear, ripe orange, and some steely minerals. Semi-sweet, high acidity, well-balanced, with a long finish. (3578 views) | | | Tasted by cpowell on 10/25/2008 & rated 86 points: Great summer wine, but just a little sweet for my taste. Better after dinner than before. Beautiful straw color and pleasant nose of flowers and citrus. But, again, the ultra sweet aftertaste lingered just a little too long. (3725 views) | | | Tasted by Badfish on 10/25/2008 & rated 91 points: Deutschland, The 2007s (Wine Exchange - Orange, CA): In the glass this is pale yellow and shows powerful aromas of sweet lemon and crushed stones. The palate has more than ample sweetness with flavors of apple and preserved lemons leading to wonderful mineral infusion on the finish. (4231 views) | | | Tasted by ELH on 10/11/2008 & rated 90 points: Luscious, round fruit. Lovely pale color. Surprisingly sweet. Will try to let it sit in the cellar for a while, but not sure will be able to resist. (3632 views) | | | Only displaying the 25 most recent notes - click to see all notes for this wine... |
| Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Müller-Burggraef) Producer web site
Until 1988 there was one Dr. H Thanisch estate. However, family members divided this into two separate estates:
* Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben Müller-Burggraef) (the AP# starts with 2 576 742)
* Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch) (the AP# starts with 2 576 242)
If you are entering a wine from 1988 and later, PLEASE take a VERY close look at the label and consult the fine print to determine which of the two estates made your wine.
Reports from the field suggest that the first few post-split vintages are especially similar. The "Erben Müller-Burggraef" and "Erben Thanisch-Spier" are, or should be, present on the label. Erben Müller-Burggraef uses a slightly smaller label with a neck label, Erben Thanisch a larger body label and no neck label. Erben Thanisch are members of the VDP, characterized by a black eagle symbol at the bottom left of the label, and Erben Müller-Burggraef does not belong to this association.Riesling Varietal character (Appellation America) | A short history of Riesling (Uncork) | Riesling (wikipedia)KabinettLowest must sugar content of Prädikat designation resulting in light wines, typically semi-sweet with crisp acidity.Germany Wines of Germany | The Association of German Prädikat Wine Estates (VDP) | How to read a German wine label | Geographical Information Down to Single Vineyards
#2014 Vintage Notes:
2014 Vintage Report by Terry Theise
2014 Vintage Report by Wine Spectator
"My gut still tells me the Saar (and to some extent) the Ruwer are better overall in 2014 than the more storied areas of the Mosel proper, but those that spent the requisite time living in their middle-Mosel vineyards made some of the most electric and "feathery" Riesling in a long time (maybe the finest in 20 years - yes, it's true!)" - Jon Rimmerman (Of course only a very short historical memory would call the Saar and Ruwer less 'storied' than the middle Mosel - jht)Mosel Saar RuwerStarting in 2007 the German wine authorities have changed labeling laws to rename all of the Mosel-Saar-Ruwer wines to just "Mosel." This puts this and other database driven sites in a difficult spot, as millions of old wine label reflect the former labeling. As described here, CellarTracker has elected to remain with the old labeling for a number of years to avoid confusion. At some point we will switch over to just "Mosel" but not for a few years at least.
Mosel WeinKulturland (Moselwein e.V.)
Detailed geographical information at weinlagen.info
#2018 Vintage Notes:
"Acid levels are relatively low throughout Riesling-growing Europe (acidification will once again be permitted in Germany – no surprise, as that’s been the case in eight of the last 10 vintages); but because malic acid was baked off or degraded by relentlessly balmy weather means, what acid remains is overwhelmingly of the efficacious tartaric sort. Extract levels are low, as one would anticipate from a growing season during which relatively little moisture was coursing through the vine’s roots and shoots. [...] Everyone is astonished how there could have been so much juice despite the drought." - David Schildknecht
"2018 is a homogenous vintage with a very high general level, below which it seldom falls [...] It leads with blossom. It is perhaps 80% delicious and 20% fascinating." - Terry Theise
#2017 Vintage Notes:
"not so friendly towards light wines" - Milkmansteve
#2016 Vintage Notes: "Overall, 2016 is a charmer of a vintage with much immediate ripe and fruity appeal, not unlike 2011 (in fresher) or 2007 (in lighter). However, 2016 is far from being homogeneous, in fact it is composed of a mosaic of vintages, a result of the freakish growing conditions. Hidden inside the vintage, there are true gems with the balance of 1997, one of the best vintages ever, 2002 or even 2008. The bulk of the harvest was brought in with refreshingly moderate sugar levels. Overall, the Saar and Ruwer produced slightly fresher wines than the Middle Mosel but there are great differences between Estates. The good harvest conditions allowed for some Auslese, little BA and even TBA wines, but some remarkably pure and fruity Eiswein.
In general, 2016 offers the opportunity to acquire Riesling with great immediate ripe appeal: The vintage is a true charmer. At the top, 2016 is one of the most exciting and elegantly balanced vintage since the 1990s and well-worth stocking up for cellaring! In particular, we urge our readers to literally plunge onto the finest Kabinett and Spätlese: These are some of the most exciting and classic we have ever tasted. 2016 looks also set to become a major vintage for dry Riesling, provided the aromatics are not overripe. Lovers of dessert wines will find much to love in 2016 as the Auslese are pure and the Eiswein are gorgeously fruity. They should however also keep an eye open for the remaining stunning noble-sweet wines from 2015 which are still available here and there." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 36, July 2017
#2014 Vintage Notes:
"The heterogeneity of the 2014 vintage carries over onto the aging process. The top wines start to close down, as one would expect from these wines which are a remake of those from the 1990s. The wines affected by gin, saffron and mushroom flavors are still comparatively open and offer a not unattractive Scheurebe styled fruit opulence. We would opt to drink up these lesser wines except for the odd bottle and bury the little treasures of the vintage deep into the cellar." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 30, March 2016
#2013 Vintage Notes:
"The fruity-styled 2013 wines have firmed up significantly since last year and start to show signs of closing down, making the underlying acidity seemingly sharp and out of balance. The better dry wines have come out of their early armor of smoke and tannin but the acidity may prove quite challenging. Quite frankly, except for some smaller bottlings, this is a vintage to lay down and wait." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2012 Vintage Notes:
"The 2012 wines have put on some flesh and go through a 'fattier' phase which is not unlike what the 2007 went through at the same period. However, the zestier acidity cuts through this 'weight' and makes the wines thoroughly enjoyable at this early stage. In particular the fruity Kabinett and Spatlese as well as the off-dry and dry wines offer much pleasure. We expect these wines to close down over the coming year or two. Enjoy while it lasts!" - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2011 Vintage Notes:
"A bit to our surprise, the 2011 wines have shut down and go through a quite difficult and muted phase now. Their low acidity combined with their maturity makes them feel rich, opulent and often bulky, and thus not really enjoyable. We expect that these will need at least a decade to integrate their sweetness and gain in harmony. The only exception is the dry wines, whose low acidity makes for great food companionship." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2010 Vintage Notes:
"After a mellower period in 2012, many 2010 wines have firmed up and developed a stronger smoky side. However, most continue to shine through their fruit opulence, structure and deliciously zesty but ripe acidity. This suits in particular the off-dry bottlings, which have more charm than the legally dry wines. Will these wines close down? Actually, the softening acidity makes us wonder now but it also provides further evidence that these wines will turn out harmonious after all." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2009 Vintage Notes:
"Most 2009 wines have closed down, which accentuates their round and soft side forward. Many can still be quite enjoyable but the times of primary fruit with its attractive aromatic expression and a generous acidic kick are now over. Except for the dry wines, we would definitely recommend keeping your hands off any bottle in your cellar and possibly buying more wines from this vintage on the market as these are true gems in the making." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015 |
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